Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[haohmaru]

According to what I read in that tweet comparing three retention deals O’Reiley, Orlov and Kane, Kane had twice as much retained. Maybe the other one, where MTL retained, was an outlier, or maybe retention prices are coming down now that the big names are off the board, but the Kane price was in line. Unless I read it wrong, which, honestly is entirely possible. Hahaha. Still, you can’t look at in in a vacuum. Teams knew that deal was dead without retention. It wasn’t for a depth piece, it was for a superstar.
Also I’m not sure why people talk about the actual dollars and not the cap hit. No one is trading for people to pay the player. They are trading for cap space.

The Kane retention was $175K to Arizona and actual dollars is all Arizona cares about. Cap space is meaningless to them at this point being a floor team - it might help with leverage a little bit, but what they're actually paying is a lot more important to Arizona than phantom cap space.

 

[Atax]

I’m starting to believe it’s NHL risk management ahead of the inevitable lawsuits. Plausible Deniability. “We are shocked! We truly didn’t think it was a bad hit…”
If they admit these hits are bad, any lawyer says “then why do you allow them to keep happening”. Case closed. It’s not just the Motte hit, it’s a pattern.
The league always downplays the severity to protect itself down the line. Not to mention outrage and blood sell… the players association is harder to understand tho.

I’m not one to buy into conspiracy theories but I can believe something like this. Like can they truly be this inept? I mean probably.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I didn’t say anything about Laf or letting either of them walk. We can worry about 3 years from now in 3 years. Because we’ll have plenty of cap flexibility then. We actually have a real chance to win a Cup now and the next few years. Not banking on hope like usual.

Keeping Kane & Tank on shorter term deals and moving Kakko, Goodrow or Lindgren for picks in a “generational” draft or ELC players seems like a pretty sustainable way to operate in my opinion. Othmann, Cuylle, Jones & Robertson are all on the door step of the NHL as well.

No to trading Lindgren. Who's going to play the left side? It's suspect as it is.

 

[duhmetreE]

The entire success of this team will come down to getting the puck out of our zone efficiently and transition. Those our the weak points right now..

East-west/cute stuff blue line to blue line, kills us.

I'm Ok with going strictly north-south getting the puck out and in transition. I wish our Centers supported in the middle of the ice more. Wish we moved as a unit/team.

Once the forwards see the defense are gaining possession, they fly the zone. That's our gameplan. Stretch pass.... what usually happens though, defense has no support with wingers usually standing still on opponents blue line... Turnover.

When I want X's and O's infusion, this is the aspect of the game. The Devils completely revamped their attack and counter. They move as a unit and everyone is moving with a purpose.... It's not a chinese fire drill. You do not see Devils running into eachother. 3rd and 4th man in always attacks the middle.

 

[n8]

there's some of that classic Ben Harpur

The entire success of this team will come down to getting the puck out of our zone efficiently and transition. Those our the weak points right now..

East-west/cute stuff blue line to blue line, kills us.

I'm Ok with going strictly north-south getting the puck out and in transition. I wish our Centers supported in the middle of the ice more. Wish we moved as a unit/team.

Once the forwards see the defense are gaining possession, they fly the zone. That's our gameplan. Stretch pass.... what usually happens though, defense has no support with wingers usually standing still on opponents blue line... Turnover.

When I want X's and O's infusion, this is the aspect of the game. The Devils completely revamped their attack and counter. They move as a unit and everyone is moving with a purpose.... It's not a chinese fire drill. You do not see Devils running into eachother. 3rd and 4th man in always attacks the middle.

I feel like our D is decent at zone exits (save for Harpur who is decent at icing the puck).
I feel like our F is terrible at zone exits.
This supports your line of thinking (fly the zone)
We need to work out how to get those exits by F but make good decisions about whether there is opportunity to establish a rush or resetting to allow our D to drive the transition up ice. I don't see up doing very well with dump and chase. The kid line is able to grind out turnovers from time to time but I also see them grind for 45 sec and ultimately the puck leaves the zone and the shift ends. At the end of the day, that is 45 sec not in our zone but 50% of the time it doesn't yield any scoring chances. Kid line has been getting stuck in our zone a lot more of late as well thus their bad +/-

 

[McRanger92]

No to trading Lindgren. Who's going to play the left side? It's suspect as it is.

There’s a reason they help onto Jones and Robertson. I love Lindy but he’s not going to become less injured as he gets older playing the style he does.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

This is the best team assembled in NY since 94, I'm pumped and i have no doubt they will bring it when its necessary. The East however is a beast, we could lose in the first round or win a cup, the good thing is we loaded up to have a chance and I'm pumped.

Been so distracted today with the TDL, haven’t weighed on this yet. I don’t understand, they said because the hit to the head was unavoidable? Um ok.

Having a goon as the head of player safety is like having an alcoholic running the liquor store.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

No to trading Lindgren. Who's going to play the left side? It's suspect as it is.

Yeah, we all see anytime he's out of the lineup how the defense turns into Keystone Cops.

And as for Chychrun, he's 1/3 as durable as Lindgren. He's going to spend a lot of time on IR.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

There’s a reason they help onto Jones and Robertson. I love Lindy but he’s not going to become less injured as he gets older playing the style he does.

He is only 25 so he's got a few more years to go and he's a warrior which this team needs. They held onto Jones and Robertson because they see one of them eventually talking 3LD and they need D depth. I don't see a left side of Miller/Robertson/Jones as a thing and it would scare the hell out of me.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He is only 25 so he's got a few more years to go and he's a warrior which this team needs. They held onto Jones and Robertson because they see one of them eventually talking 3LD and they need D depth. I don't see a left side of Miller/Robertson/Jones as a thing and it would scare the hell out of me.

I love Lindgren but I'm nervous of a long term contract for Lindgren , 3 years sure but he plays a style that can't be played for long in his body. I dont know if he accepts such a short deal. Robertson is his future replacement, the 6d spot is always gonna be in flux imo. I look at Lindgren like Gallagher in montreal, i said it when they signed him it was way too long and it's already a problem.

The entire success of this team will come down to getting the puck out of our zone efficiently and transition. Those our the weak points right now..

East-west/cute stuff blue line to blue line, kills us.

I'm Ok with going strictly north-south getting the puck out and in transition. I wish our Centers supported in the middle of the ice more. Wish we moved as a unit/team.

Once the forwards see the defense are gaining possession, they fly the zone. That's our gameplan. Stretch pass.... what usually happens though, defense has no support with wingers usually standing still on opponents blue line... Turnover.

When I want X's and O's infusion, this is the aspect of the game. The Devils completely revamped their attack and counter. They move as a unit and everyone is moving with a purpose.... It's not a chinese fire drill. You do not see Devils running into eachother. 3rd and 4th man in always attacks the middle.

The Devils are coached by Lindy Ruff, a guy who was the scapegoat of this franchise his entire time here.

 

[duhmetreE]

The Devils are coached by Lindy Ruff, a guy who was the scapegoat of this franchise his entire time here.

Offense was taken over by Brunnette and it's evident imo. Their offense looks similar to Florida of last year

there's some of that classic Ben Harpur

I feel like our D is decent at zone exits (save for Harpur who is decent at icing the puck).
I feel like our F is terrible at zone exits.
This supports your line of thinking (fly the zone)
We need to work out how to get those exits by F but make good decisions about whether there is opportunity to establish a rush or resetting to allow our D to drive the transition up ice. I don't see up doing very well with dump and chase. The kid line is able to grind out turnovers from time to time but I also see them grind for 45 sec and ultimately the puck leaves the zone and the shift ends. At the end of the day, that is 45 sec not in our zone but 50% of the time it doesn't yield any scoring chances. Kid line has been getting stuck in our zone a lot more of late as well thus their bad +/-

If we're relying on Fox to make god reads/plays every time, there may be an issue.

There's no support for defenseman. There's typically no outlet in the middle of the ice.. We're easy to defend far too often coming out

 

[Avery16]

 

[McRanger92]

Can we not?

Offense was taken over by Brunnette and it's evident imo. Their offense looks similar to Florida of last year


If we're relying on Fox to make god reads/plays every time, there may be an issue.

There's no support for defenseman. There's typically no outlet in the middle of the ice.. We're easy to defend far too often coming out

Florida got worked in the playoffs once they played a real team

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I love Lindgren but I'm nervous of a long term contract for Lindgren , 3 years sure but he plays a style that can't be played for long in his body. I dont know if he accepts such a short deal. Robertson is his future replacement, the 6d spot is always gonna be in flux imo. I look at Lindgren like Gallagher in montreal, i said it when they signed him it was way too long and it's already a problem.

The Devils are coached by Lindy Ruff, a guy who was the scapegoat of this franchise his entire time here.

That was pure ageism

 

[egelband]

Been so distracted today with the TDL, haven’t weighed on this yet. I don’t understand, they said because the hit to the head was unavoidable? Um ok.

Yeah. Unavoidable for Motte at least.

Gross.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That was pure ageism

Not ageism, playing hard and wearing downism

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Kid will haunt us long term for sure. He needed the change of scenery

 

[Kravtsov420]

The entire success of this team will come down to getting the puck out of our zone efficiently and transition. Those our the weak points right now..

East-west/cute stuff blue line to blue line, kills us.

I'm Ok with going strictly north-south getting the puck out and in transition. I wish our Centers supported in the middle of the ice more. Wish we moved as a unit/team.

Once the forwards see the defense are gaining possession, they fly the zone. That's our gameplan. Stretch pass.... what usually happens though, defense has no support with wingers usually standing still on opponents blue line... Turnover.

When I want X's and O's infusion, this is the aspect of the game. The Devils completely revamped their attack and counter. They move as a unit and everyone is moving with a purpose.... It's not a chinese fire drill. You do not see Devils running into eachother. 3rd and 4th man in always attacks the middle.

What you say is true about the strategy. And I’ve yet to see it debunked by the people who magically believe this team while go far.

Is there a thread that actually discusses the details of our system ? Not a lot of X’s and O’s Talk cause people seem to just brush it off the shoulder when we say this team really has some serious inefficiencies when it comes to that. Like people really think it’s just going to magically figure itself out when playoffs hit? And no I’m talking about even before playing with 1.5 defenseman (Fox is 1, Tuba is .5)

 

[Synergy27]

I’m a Kravtsov supporter that’s pissed about giving him away for nothing.

That said, what we saw here was a routine pass on the PP and a good shift that led to a scoring chance. This is like us being excited when Laf gets a shot on goal while Mercer is potting his 21st goal of the season.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Kid will haunt us long term for sure. He needed the change of scenery

I doubt it. Just like Andersson he won't amount to shit and will probably wind up in the KHL in a year or 2.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Kane retention was $175K to Arizona and actual dollars is all Arizona cares about. Cap space is meaningless to them at this point being a floor team - it might help with leverage a little bit, but what they're actually paying is a lot more important to Arizona than phantom cap space.

Arizona is a ponzi/money laundering scheme. They are reaching the floor with cap hits and paying out nothing. They will have three contracts on long-term IR next season. Voracek. Weber. Little. $21,398,810. Voracek's base salary is $7.5M next season but insurance will pick up the tab for most of the $7.5M. $8.25M cap hit. Weber is owed $1M. His cap hit is $7,857,143. Little's cap hit is $5,291,667 cap hit. $3.75M salary. Insurance is paying the majority of that contract.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Arizona is a ponzi/money laundering scheme. They are reaching the floor with cap hits and paying out nothing. They will have three contracts on long-term IR next season. Voracek. Weber. Little. $21,398,810. Voracek's base salary is $7.5M next season but insurance will pick up the tab for most of the $7.5M. $8.25M cap hit. Weber is owed $1M. His cap hit is $7,857,143. Little's cap hit is $5,291,667 cap hit. $3.75M salary. Insurance is paying the majority of that contract.

Welcome to the NHL cap. A 3rd grader could of told you this was going to happen, but this is what so many have pined for.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Arizona is a ponzi/money laundering scheme. They are reaching the floor with cap hits and paying out nothing. They will have three contracts on long-term IR next season. Voracek. Weber. Little. $21,398,810. Voracek's base salary is $7.5M next season but insurance will pick up the tab for most of the $7.5M. $8.25M cap hit. Weber is owed $1M. His cap hit is $7,857,143. Little's cap hit is $5,291,667 cap hit. $3.75M salary. Insurance is paying the majority of that contract.

They are, they need to move the team. I could understand a rebuilding team doing this with one or two contracts but they’re so obviously doing it for so long.

I doubt it. Just like Andersson he won't amount to shit and will probably wind up in the KHL in a year or 2.

We’ll see I guess. Wish him well

I’m a Kravtsov supporter that’s pissed about giving him away for nothing.

That said, what we saw here was a routine pass on the PP and a good shift that led to a scoring chance. This is like us being excited when Laf gets a shot on goal while Mercer is potting his 21st goal of the season.

“Routine pass on the PP” lol, he set up Brock Boeser for a snipe through D coverage in front, that’s a great pass. Either way, we’ll see how he performs away from NY. Wish him well

 

[haohmaru]

Arizona is a ponzi/money laundering scheme. They are reaching the floor with cap hits and paying out nothing. They will have three contracts on long-term IR next season. Voracek. Weber. Little. $21,398,810. Voracek's base salary is $7.5M next season but insurance will pick up the tab for most of the $7.5M. $8.25M cap hit. Weber is owed $1M. His cap hit is $7,857,143. Little's cap hit is $5,291,667 cap hit. $3.75M salary. Insurance is paying the majority of that contract.

Gee, I wonder why nobody cares about the team. Huh.

 

[cheech70]

Going to game in Montreal next week anyone know hotel where the NYR stay?