Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[bleedblue94]

Unf***ingbelievable. Dept of Player Safety. Pssshh.

It wasn't a charge. It was an elbow and it was a penalty but based on the standard the DOPS has set I'm not surprised at all that he isn't suspended. In a more rational world with better precedent of discipline for head contact you'd see a suspension. It's not a charge. And don't for a second blame this on a DOPS, the PA is just as guilty bc they constantly whine about suspensions and taking money out of the pockets of players. Broken system

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Slightly different situation. Woah is me nyr benching players and doing cap circus leading to this. It's not the same thing.

That's not how it's supposed to work though, you're not supposed to decide what's okay and what isn't based on how it feels.

There's a CBA. Per the CBA you're eligible for an emergency recall if you play 1 game dressing fewer than 18 skaters and 2 goalies as a result of not having the cap space to replace injured, sick or suspended players in the lineup and dress 18 available skaters. After one game you're supposed to be eligible for an emergency recall.

How you ended up not having the cap space to recall a player is irrelevant.

If the NHL said the reason the Rangers were not entitled to an emergency recall for last night's game was bc they technically made the Kane trade on Wednesday so they started that day with enough cap space to recall a player but then made the trade and took the cap space away making it their own fault -then fine that explanation makes sense for why they didn't get an emergency recall for last night's game.

But on Thursday they started the day without enough cap space to recall anyone so they player Thursday night with only 17 skaters dressed with the players who did not play being ineligibile due to injury/illness/suspension. Per the CBA they should be allowed an emergency recall of a player making 800k or less for tomorrow's game.

 

[McRanger92]

Can definitely tell you hell be a better player years 4-7

I definitely agree with that. But I'd be surprised if the New York Rangers dont value the next 3 years more highly.

 

[SA16]

Reason: He was subject to waivers and being lost for nothing. Admittedly when he finally was waived, he was unclaimed, but a.) the Rangers couldn't have known that and b.) an interested party(ies) circumstances might've changed in the interim.

Next?

That's not a valid reason. He's not an NHL quality player. They didn't trust him to play more than 17 games last year or 16 last year. He likely wouldn't have got claimed and if he did it wouldn't have been an issue. Is keeping a replacement level player on the roster for two months worth millions of dollars in deadline cap space? Hartford isn't far. If they needed another player they could have called one up in the morning. If they couldn't then they could just play a man short. They just did it 3 straight games with no problem. If they wanted an extra player for west coast trips they could have brought him (or someone) up for just those trips. He would have been traded anyway but they wouldn't have needed to desperately deal Kravtsov for cap space if they just didn't carry Hajek for months.

 

[haohmaru]

Drury paid the highest price. Shocking.

This is why I made the argument a few days ago that the 3rd to AZ was the worst part of that deal

 

[SA16]

That's not how it's supposed to work though, you're not supposed to decide what's okay and what isn't based on how it feels.

There's a CBA. Per the CBA you're eligible for an emergency recall if you play 1 game dressing fewer than 18 skaters and 2 goalies as a result of not having the cap space to replace injured, sick or suspended players in the lineup and dress 18 available skaters. After one game you're supposed to be eligible for an emergency recall.

How you ended up not having the cap space to recall a player is irrelevant.

If the NHL said the reason the Rangers were not entitled to an emergency recall for last night's game was bc they technically made the Kane trade on Wednesday so they started that day with enough cap space to recall a player but then made the trade and took the cap space away making it their own fault -then fine that explanation makes sense for why they didn't get an emergency recall for last night's game.

But on Thursday they started the day without enough cap space to recall anyone so they player Thursday night with only 17 skaters dressed with the players who did not play being ineligibile due to injury/illness/suspension. Per the CBA they should be allowed an emergency recall of a player making 800k or less for tomorrow's game.

Don't you think if the Rangers were that concerned about playing a man short and disagreed with the leagues decision they would file some sort of appeal, grievance, or make a statement? This sounds like manufactured outrage from the fans and media. I really don't think the players or coaches care about playing a man short.

 

[haohmaru]

That's not a valid reason. He's not an NHL quality player. They didn't trust him to play more than 17 games last year or 16 last year. He likely wouldn't have got claimed and if he did it wouldn't have been an issue. Is keeping a replacement level player on the roster for two months worth millions of dollars in deadline cap space? Hartford isn't far. If they needed another player they could have called one up in the morning. If they couldn't then they could just play a man short. They just did it 3 straight games with no problem. If they wanted an extra player for west coast trips they could have brought him (or someone) up for just those trips. He would have been traded anyway but they wouldn't have needed to desperately deal Kravtsov for cap space if they just didn't carry Hajek for months.

Of course it is. They didn't want to lose an asset for nothing, whether or not @SA16 thinks he's an NHL player or not and they felt like they didn't need that additional cap space for what they wanted to do. It has nothing to do with your opinion of Hajek as an AHL or NHL player.

 

[SA16]

Of course it is. They didn't want to lose an asset for nothing, whether or not @SA16 thinks he's an NHL player or not and they felt like they didn't need that additional cap space for what they wanted to do. It has nothing to do with your opinion of Hajek as an AHL or NHL player.

No, it is not. It is poor planning and roster management. Hajek was not an asset. His trade value was, at best, a 7th round pick or AHL player which is nearly the equivalent of nothing. Losing him is irrelevant. They didn't want to lose him for nothing yet they turned around and gave away Kravtsov for the equivalent anyway.

What it is, and should be, is a learning lesson for future seasons that there is no reason to ever carry a 23 man roster and little reason to even carry a 22 man roster. Those fringe guys don't matter and can be replaced on waivers almost every day. The cap space could make a huge difference.

 

[haohmaru]

No, it is not. It is poor planning and roster management. Hajek was not an asset. His trade value was, at best, a 7th round pick or AHL player which is nearly the equivalent of nothing. Losing him is irrelevant. They didn't want to lose him for nothing yet they turned around and gave away Kravtsov for the equivalent anyway.

What it is, and should be, is a learning lesson for future seasons that there is no reason to ever carry a 23 man roster and little reason to even carry a 22 man roster. Those fringe guys don't matter and can be replaced on waivers almost every day. The cap space could make a huge difference.

I disagree. Whether or not Hajek is worth this or that is immaterial - the Rangers had a plan, had the cap space to execute that plan and didn't need to risk losing a player for nothing to do it.

They were actively trying to move Kravtsov multiple times over the course of the past few years. What they got for him is what he was worth given his history, the flight risk, and his performance. He was moved because Kane was suddenly available for peanuts.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[EdJovanovski]

So we're doing nothing today?

 

[haohmaru]

So we're doing nothing today?

We can buy the team a hot dog and a coke with the seven grand we have left.

 

[Guyute]

Bettman and Colin Campbell should be nowhere near the game of hockey. Bettman doesn't give a damn about the game and Campbell is one of the dumbest and most vindictive people on the planet.

 

[Circus86]

So we're doing nothing today?

Drury right now:

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I disagree. Whether or not Hajek is worth this or that is immaterial - the Rangers had a plan, had the cap space to execute that plan and didn't need to risk losing a player for nothing to do it.

They were actively trying to move Kravtsov multiple times over the course of the past few years. What they got for him is what he was worth given his history, the flight risk, and his performance. He was moved because Kane was suddenly available for peanuts.

We can agree to disagree.

Exactly this. They had a plan and the cap space to execute that plan which was always one of Tarasenko and Kane, not both, but then Kane became available at a cost that was too good to pass up and therefore the cap gymnastics. What made it worse was the injury to Lindgren and spitting suspension.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

People are in here complaining lol wow I came to check updates and comments on deadline and all I see is people criticizing the Rangers for not having cap space to call up a scrub

If you can make it here you can make it anywhere

 

[IDvsEGO]

Love Kakko but is he going to develop into a better player than Kane or Tarasenko will be over the next 3 seasons? We'll see what the playoffs bring but it's a question thats not out of bounds to ask.

So kakkos play this year is a top 6 nhl forward, with some peaks of an nhl first line forward. He’s also at less than 2.5m cap hit

The question isn’t will Kakko be better, it’s will Kakko produce more overall value.
Even if he breaks out next year and scores 50-50-100, you still have 2 rfa years, and so his cap number would be in the 6’s for an 8 year deal.

 

[MrAlmost]

Should have got Sanford from Nash when he was in AHL. Too bad.

 

[Daves a mess]

Trying to figure out what we might do with that 2024 1st rounder.

Put a goatee, mustache, and elf hair on Kaapo Kakko and you have Joonas Korpisalo.

Klingberg to Minnesota

 

[McRanger92]

So kakkos play this year is a top 6 nhl forward, with some peaks of an nhl first line forward. He’s also at less than 2.5m cap hit

The question isn’t will Kakko be better, it’s will Kakko produce more overall value.
Even if he breaks out next year and scores 50-50-100, you still have 2 rfa years, and so his cap number would be in the 6’s for an 8 year deal.

I dont want to disparage Kakko because it's not about him. Kane and Tarasenko are just much better and the window is now.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Rangers: Kane, Tarasenko+
Islanders: Horvat
Devils: Meier

Leafs: O’Reilly+
Lightning: Jeannot
Bruins: Orlov, Hathaway, Bertuzzi

Sabres: Greenway
Senators: Chychrun

Penguins: Bonino, Granlund?
Hurricanes: Puljujarvi?

Seems like Pitt and NYI may be on the outside looking in, but Carolina and Pittsburgh are the teams that really dropped the ball here

 

[DanielBrassard]

Rangers: Kane, Tarasenko+
Islanders: Horvat
Devils: Meier

Leafs: O’Reilly+
Lightning: Jeannot
Bruins: Orlov, Hathaway, Bertuzzi

Sabres: Greenway
Senators: Chychrun

Penguins: Bonino, Granlund?
Hurricanes: Puljujarvi?

Seems like Pitt and NYI may be on the outside looking in, but Carolina and Pittsburgh are the teams that really dropped the ball here

Pitt also got Kulikov and the Hurricanes got Gostisbehere.

 

[Circus86]

 

[Kane One]

I definitely read that name as Walnut, and agreed the future considerations was a fair trade for that

 

[Circus86]

Never heard of Kalynuk, but his stats are quite good for a defenseman, what's the deal with him?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Ahl pick ups I guess