Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[TheDirtyH]

The one thing about Kane lost in all this is that people are talking a lot about the chemistry between Kane and Paranin and they're talking a lot about Kane's postseason success: nobody is mentioning that those two things never coincided.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The one thing about Kane lost in all this is that people are talking a lot about the chemistry between Kane and Paranin and they're talking a lot about Kane's postseason success: nobody is mentioning that those two things never coincided.

I think other than the Pp and 3 on 3 OT by the end of the year they won’t even be on the same line 5 on 5

 

[Off Sides]

Most Rangerific deadline ever, I hate it.

Maybe it works this time, I don't completely discount that possibility, yet if not, again, most Rangerific deadline ever.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Truly, I have no opinion on how the lines should be put together lol. It's a ridiculous mix and we don't have much runway to experiment with.

All I know is that Tarasenko is taking under 5 shots per 60 mins 5v5 since he came here. He's never had a season under 7, and the only two seasons under 8 were two of his worst: this year and the year he had surgery. Last year he was taking nearly 10. I don't care what line he's on or what their metrics look like, if the dude isn't going to shoot anymore, he's not going to have an impact. JMO, but for all the talk about Tank showing up in the playoffs... there's one way he showed up: he shot the puck and he scored goals.

What do those numbers look like with Zib-Kreider vs Panarin-Tro?

He isn't shooting the puck with Zib-Kreider and neither are they because they don't know how to find each other and never have the puck to begin with.

 

[Levitate]

honestly I have no idea how it'll all work out! sometimes these things are just "luck"

Tarasenko could continue to struggle a bit to find his role on this team, Kane could come in and float and do nothing, rangers could get blown out of the first round

Or it could all come together and they have a helluva run

I think the "best" thing here is that the Rangers haven't given up the farm to acquire these players and even if it doesn't work out it's not the end of the world or their future seasons

 

[NikC]

Cooper adjusted.

Gallant doesn't adjust.

Cooper jumped up and down and cried for penalties in game 3 and it became a ranger parade to the penalty box.

Stamkos spit in Lafrieniere's face and should have been suspended for the remainder of the series.

He's their captain. I'm more afraid of the officiating than anything else come playoff time.

 

[TheDirtyH]

What do those numbers look like with Zib-Kreider vs Panarin-Tro?

He isn't shooting the puck with Zib-Kreider and neither are they because they don't know how to find each other and never have the puck to begin with.

That's a curious point. Idk when he got put on that line but his shot lines the last 6 games at even strength are 0, 0, 1, 3, 3, 0 for six total. Not good enough imo

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Most Rangerific deadline ever, I hate it.

Maybe it works this time, I don't completely discount that possibility, yet if not, again, most Rangerific deadline ever.

Whats wrong? We filled two holes on the right wing, added some speed and grit with Motte, added Mikkola to the D. Lost in all of this is that finally players like Goodrow and Vesey won't be asked to play over their head and can focus on wearing teams down, we don't have any bad players in the lineup now, and the kids can get softer minutes behind two legit top lines. People haven't mentioned it much but Mikkola has been a nice add, he is getting better every night imo. I haven't been much of a Drury fan until this deadline

 

[Off Sides]

honestly I have no idea how it'll all work out! sometimes these things are just "luck"

Tarasenko could continue to struggle a bit to find his role on this team, Kane could come in and float and do nothing, rangers could get blown out of the first round

Or it could all come together and they have a helluva run

I think the "best" thing here is that the Rangers haven't given up the farm to acquire these players and even if it doesn't work out it's not the end of the world or their future seasons

What makes me not believe, the players they have brought in have no drive to win a Cup. They've already done so. This is not like last deadline when they brought in hungry players who wanted to prove themselves, this is bringing in players who want to play for the Rangers. I don't get the feeling it's because they have Cup aspirations, more so because they want to play in NYC to bolster their egos and the Ranger organization brings them in to bolster theirs.

Rangers need players who strive to win the cup, not guys who just want to use their no movement clause, or reputation to force themselves to the Rangers. They don't need players who are slow, unwilling to do what needs to be done to win, players who once did that yet no longer have that in their games.... Anyway I'm not enthused, yet to each their own.

 

[RangerLifer]

What makes me not believe, the players they have brought in have no drive to win a Cup. They've already done so. This is not like last deadline when they brought in hungry players who wanted to prove themselves, this is bringing in players who want to play for the Rangers. I don't get the feeling it's because they have Cup aspirations, more so because they want to play in NYC to bolster their egos and the Ranger organization brings them in to bolster theirs.

Rangers need players who strive to win the cup, not guys who just want to use their no movement clause, or reputation to force themselves to the Rangers. They don't need players who are slow, unwilling to do what needs to be done to win, payer who once did that yet no longer have that in their games.... Anyway I'm not enthused, yet to each their own.

They say NYC is the best place in the world to play. It isn't. NYC is the best place in the world to WIN! I want to hear these players say THAT like Mess did.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

So do I change my username to Kane Eighty Eight when this trade goes through?

…or Kane the Cup-Bearer

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What makes me not believe, the players they have brought in have no drive to win a Cup. They've already done so. This is not like last deadline when they brought in hungry players who wanted to prove themselves, this is bringing in players who want to play for the Rangers. I don't get the feeling it's because they have Cup aspirations, more so because they want to play in NYC to bolster their egos and the Ranger organization brings them in to bolster theirs.

Rangers need players who strive to win the cup, not guys who just want to use their no movement clause, or reputation to force themselves to the Rangers. They don't need players who are slow, unwilling to do what needs to be done to win, player who once did that yet no longer have that in their games.... Anyway I'm not enthused, yet to each their own.

I can't think of a single player who has ever won who didn't want to win again.

We're not talking about a bunch of Kravtsovs here.

I might buy the "they're only here because they want to play for the Rangers" thing if they weren't rentals. It's possible to want to play here and want to win the cup, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Whats wrong? We filled two holes on the right wing, added some speed and grit with Motte, added Mikkola to the D. Lost in all of this is that finally players like Goodrow and Vesey won't be asked to play over their head and can focus on wearing teams down, we don't have any bad players in the lineup now, and the kids can get softer minutes behind two legit top lines. People haven't mentioned it much but Mikkola has been a nice add, he is getting better every night imo. I haven't been much of a Drury fan until this deadline

I don't get the negative nebobs. This is an extremely talented roster with Kane and Tarasenko. We needed an upgrade at RW and we certainly got it. I'm with you about Vesey and Goodrow. They don't belong in the top 6 and I don't care what anybody says. Actually the 4th line with those guys slotted properly could be one of the best in the league.

 

[Off Sides]

mThey say NYC is the best place in the world to play. It isn't. NYC is the best place in the world to WIN! I want to hear these players say THAT like Mess did.

I just don't see it. Hope I am wrong. The Rangers are in my opinion making the same mistakes they always have, bringing in "names" who did stuff back in their day, who no longer do that stuff.

I don't need to list the players, anyone who has followed this team long enough knows the "names." It worked once like 30 years ago and they are still trying the same idea.

 

[egelband]

Can “Future Considerations” technically be listed in addition to a legitimate return? Because we technically got a player and a draft pick.

Maybe the condition on the seventh we got from Vancouver is that we send it back to them if we need retention.

 

[Kane One]

I can't think of a single player who has ever won who didn't want to win again.

We're not talking about a bunch of Kravtsovs here.

I might buy the "they're only here because they want to play for the Rangers" thing if they weren't rentals. It's possible to want to play here and want to win the cup, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

Depends on how many times, because Ken Dryden comes to mind. Dude literally had nothing else to achieve.

 

[egelband]

I swear, when I walk in the Garden Thursday, I will shed tears

Thank you, Kaner. We appreciate your desire and passion to don the Blueshirt.

 

[Off Sides]

I can't think of a single player who has ever won who didn't want to win again.

We're not talking about a bunch of Kravtsovs here.

I might buy the "they're only here because they want to play for the Rangers" thing if they weren't rentals. It's possible to want to play here and want to win the cup, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

Want to win and doing what it takes to win are different things.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Want to win and doing what it takes to win are different things.

Thats true, but you're also adding guys who know how to do the latter.

I'm not saying that it'll work as there are a ton of ways this blows up on them. I just think that this is a bit empty blanket statement-y and its a hard sell considering what they have accomplished. Just because they've done it before doesn't mean that they don't have the willingness to do it again.

Whether or not they're physically able to (or put in the best position to do so, as Gallant is already galaxy braining this) is a different conversation entirely.

 

[Off Sides]

Thats true, but you're also adding guys who know how to do the latter.

I'm not saying that it'll work as there are a ton of ways this blows up on them. I just think that this is a bit empty blanket statement-y and its a hard sell considering what they have accomplished. Just because they've done it before doesn't mean that they don't have the willingness to do it again.

Whether or not they're physically able to (or put in the best position to do so, as Gallant is already galaxy braining this) is a different conversation entirely.

Tarasenko and Kane both gave up on their current teams, yet they are going to fully commit to the Rangers winning?

Panarin last playoffs was committed to winning?

I dislike Trouba's game, not the hits, his actual game, pinching when he is bad at it, not being able to keep up skating, yet he wants to win. Lindgren, Zbad, Fox, Goodrow, Vesey, I don't doubt their drive.

Kane, Tarasenko, Panarin, Kreider? to each their own on how they perceive those players efforts when it comes down to it, we'll see I guess.


(jfyi, I think you are a good poster, one of the more knowledgeable non shill ones who posts here, I just disagree that the players the Rangers are importing here, Kane, Tara, are going to do much of anything outside of random production when it matters least)

 

[Shesterkybomb]

What makes me not believe, the players they have brought in have no drive to win a Cup. They've already done so. This is not like last deadline when they brought in hungry players who wanted to prove themselves, this is bringing in players who want to play for the Rangers. I don't get the feeling it's because they have Cup aspirations, more so because they want to play in NYC to bolster their egos and the Ranger organization brings them in to bolster theirs.

Rangers need players who strive to win the cup, not guys who just want to use their no movement clause, or reputation to force themselves to the Rangers. They don't need players who are slow, unwilling to do what needs to be done to win, players who once did that yet no longer have that in their games.... Anyway I'm not enthused, yet to each their own.

Anyone who's won anything in hockey knows that the desire to win again gets stronger after winning. It's a strange thing but there's a real "high" winning that leads to a crash in the offseason, players keep jonesing to win again. Sometimes its impossible to do in consecutive years because of the toll on the teams but the desire continues, Kane hasn't been in it in a while, he's gonna come in hungry.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I just don't see it. Hope I am wrong. The Rangers are in my opinion making the same mistakes they always have, bringing in "names" who did stuff back in their day, who no longer do that stuff.

I don't need to list the players, anyone who has followed this team long enough knows the "names." It worked once like 30 years ago and they are still trying the same idea.

Tarasenko and Kane can still play. Kane had 92 points last year and was scorching hot the last couple week this year. They added 2 guys who have won cups and have produced in playoffs. Better than Goodrow and Vesey in top 6.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Tarasenko and Kane both gave up on their current teams, yet they are going to fully commit to the Rangers winning?

Panarin last playoffs was committed to winning?

I dislike Trouba's game, not the hits, his actual game, pinching when he is bad at it, not being able to keep up skating, yet he wants to win. Lindgren, Zbad, Fox, Goodrow, Vesey, I don't doubt their drive.

Kane, Tarasenko, Panarin, Kreider? to each their own on how they perceive those players efforts when it comes down to it, we'll see I guess.


(jfyi, I think you are a good poster, one of the more knowledgeable non shill ones who posts here, I just disagree that the players the Rangers are importing here, Kane, Tara, are going to do much of anything outside of random production when it matters least)

Panarin's issues were a lot to do with Strome being injured last year, whether thats who he is from now on we'll find out but he's typically been a good playoff player.

Having said all I've said, the east is as strong as i believe it's ever been. We've done well adding players but so have everyone else. Our current top players will still have to be the difference, namely Shesterkin, Fox and Zibanejad. Its wild.

 

[Off Sides]

Tarasenko and Kane can still play. Kane had 92 points last year and was scorching hot the last couple week this year. They added 2 guys who have won cups and have produced in playoffs. Better than Goodrow and Vesey in top 6.

Who cares what they did, its about what they will do on the Rangers. Eric Staal, Yandle, Boyle, Shattenkirk, etc, etc, etc, were good at one point too before they came to the Rangers.

 

[Off Sides]

Panarin's issues were a lot to do with Strome being injured last year, whether thats who he is from now on we'll find out but he's typically been a good playoff player.

Having said all I've said, the east is as strong as i believe it's ever been. We've done well adding players but so have everyone else. Our current top players will still have to be the difference, namely Shesterkin, Fox and Zibanejad. Its wild.

Panarin gaining the zone, only to throw puck into coverage was not Strome's fault.

Rangers, I agree have the talent at least to advance in the playoffs (they had that already in my opinion), whether or not they have the time on ice players who have the drive, or they have the coaching, to get to or win the Cup, that to me is a different discussion, and really I don't think what they've added (Kane included) is what they need.