Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[Machinehead]

If we keep losing (and Jersey doesn’t pass Carolina in the standings) is it feasible we face Carolina in round 1 instead?

Anything's feasible but that's extremely unlikely.

 

[DanielBrassard]

On the one hand I get wanted to try Panarin and Kane together because they were so electric together in Chicago. And it’s probably a big part of the reason why Kane forced his way here.

But on the other side it’s also not 2016 any more. Both players have lost some jump since then. I agree I expect major defensive deficiencies with that pair. Wasn’t the whole part of moving on from Strome because NYR recognized that Panarin playing 20 min a night that wide open isn’t a recipe for winning a Cup? Not sure why they would go back to that, even if they are going to ultimately give it a try in the regular season.

I think they moved on from Strome because they thought Trocheck was better and brought a different skillset to the mix. How much of that was due to Panarin and how they wanted him to play? Tough to say but I don't think that's why they made the switch.

 

[Hire Sather]

I'm truly amazed that there are some Rangers fans who are freaking out about what we have to do to get Kane. I wonder if it's just people who can't handle something that's not usual, or are overrating how important 2 games are a this point.

I mean we went into yesterday on an 0-3-1 slide and willingly played 2 guys short which of course ended up as 3 after Miller's incident.

We won the game but this has to be completed asap so the goal can be back to winning games as opposed to manipulating the roster and putting ourselves at a disadvantage

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I think they moved on from Strome because they thought Trocheck was better and brought a different skillset to the mix. How much of that was due to Panarin and how they wanted him to play? Tough to say but I don't think that's why they made the switch.

To me there was a pretty direct line between how Strome and Panarin played together in the playoffs and a desire to “change the skill mix” I.e. swap Strome for Trocheck. Maybe I misread but to me that move seemed like a direct referendum on how Strome and Panarin played together, especially coupled with the rumor that Drury was disappointed in Panarin’s play.

 

[RangerBoy]

32T podcast. The Flyers were interested in Kravtsov. They also spoke to Dallas about Gurianov. Ellliotte believes the Flyers have talked to teams about Tony. Maybe back to Carolina.

 

[Omark]

Jagr my man. Jaromir Jagr.

Kane is more in Pavel Bure territory.

I looked at his first full season as a Ranger. Surprised by the amount of Czechs you had!

 

[DanielBrassard]

To me there was a pretty direct line between how Strome and Panarin played together in the playoffs and a desire to “change the skill mix” I.e. swap Strome for Trocheck. Maybe I misread but to me that move seemed like a direct referendum on how Strome and Panarin played together, especially coupled with the rumor that Drury was disappointed in Panarin’s play.

Maybe, I just think it was more about Strome and Trocheck than about Panarin's play. At any rate it was the right decision for whatever the reason was at the time.

 

[SA16]

I mean we went into yesterday on an 0-3-1 slide and willingly played 2 guys short which of course ended up as 3 after Miller's incident.

We won the game but this has to be completed asap so the goal can be back to winning games as opposed to manipulating the roster and putting ourselves at a disadvantage

The goal is to win games in the playoffs not to win random regular season games when the team is essentially locked into the 2 or 3 seed.

 

[UnSandvich]

I could be mistaken, but in the vid of Laffy handing over the Broadway Hat, I THINK that’s Lindy behind him in Street clothes, not in a sling

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Anyone else find it both fascinating and absurdly stupid all the roster and cap maneuvering and gamesmanship to fit Kane, which didn't even happen yet. As a self hating bona fide I would get a huge kick out of the trade falling through at this point. The team had an important player stapled on the bench last night to get around this mess.

The cap implementation is dumb.

This is the result of cheap, penny-pinching owners holding everyone else hostage. This flat cap implementation has been beyond dumb. After next season, we're going to see huge leaps in the salary cap, and GMs won't be able to help themselves from spending like drunken sailors on inflated contracts. I have no idea why the league set up this famine now, feast later kind of salary cap situation.

 

[McRanger92]

To me there was a pretty direct line between how Strome and Panarin played together in the playoffs and a desire to “change the skill mix” I.e. swap Strome for Trocheck. Maybe I misread but to me that move seemed like a direct referendum on how Strome and Panarin played together, especially coupled with the rumor that Drury was disappointed in Panarin’s play.

Strome was a passenger and not half the all around player Trocheck is. The faceoffs alone were worth the 600K difference in salary. The Rangers knew theywere going to pay in the 5mil range for a 2C, whether it was Strome or Copp. They got a much better player for slightly less money. I dont think it was ever a matter of changing Panarin's style. The team wants him playing that high offense style, he just needs to do it better this time around. Slow footed strome who cant win a faceoff to save his life needed to be changed out.

It's also very funny that Trocheck got infected with with Strome's inability to finish (I think hes underperforming his xGF by like 10 according to Vally) and he is still only 3 goals away from tying Strome's career high, and could easily get to 30 if he gets hot.

 

[GAGLine]

Should the move be and is it possible to LTIR Lindy to give him time to rehab even though he could come back sooner and therefore:

- Cease the Kane cap gymnastics which I think is a big contributor to our poor play
- Pick up cheap depth, a 4C as 13F and a 3LD to hold the fort.

If Lindgren is moved to LTIR, he has to sit out 10 games and 24 days, backdated to the day of the injury. Putting him on LTIR for us doesn't help that much. We are much better off trading for Kane first, then putting Lindgren on LTIR if necessary (It doesn't sound like it will be). Even if he does go on LTIR, there doesn't seem to be any way he won't be back before the end of the season, so we can't do more than call up players with that LTIR space. We're better off not using LTIR.

NHL needs to re-think implementation of the salary cap for the next CBA.

A soft cap with revenue sharing might actually be the best thing for the weaker franchises in the league.

Parity isn't great right now and it seems like it's becoming harder and harder for franchises in small markets who have been rebuilding lately (Arizona, Buffalo, Ottawa) to get any traction.

*Ottawa only a small market because 80% of Ontario residents are already TML fans

That won't happen. No matter what the league says, it's not about parity. It's about cost certainty. The players get half of the revenue. No more, no less. The league fought through 2 lockouts to get this. They aren't going to now change it so teams can spend more than 50%.

If you want to change the system, you have to come up with ways that don't change the 50/50 dynamic.

I could be mistaken, but in the vid of Laffy handing over the Broadway Hat, I THINK that’s Lindy behind him in Street clothes, not in a sling

We already have a picture of him not in the sling.

 

[McRanger92]

32T podcast. The Flyers were interested in Kravtsov. They also spoke to Dallas about Gurianov. Ellliotte believes the Flyers have talked to teams about Tony. Maybe back to Carolina.

I need Carolina to bring in Tony D & JT Miller like I need air to breathe. Surely that's the antidote needed to get them passed the 2nd round.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Why would you buy a jersey with a mercenary's name on the back? He's going to be here for a couple of months. He's not a real member of the team. To be clear, I'm not accusing Kane of acting like a mercenary. but that's what he is. We're not extending him.

 

[Machinehead]

I need Carolina to bring in Tony D & JT Miller like I need air to breathe. Surely that's the antidote needed to get them passed the 2nd round.

Remember the last series where Shesterkin had more points than Tony?

 

[17futurecap]

Remember the last series where Shesterkin had more points than Tony?

Tony was robbed of a secondary assist here though.

 

[McRanger92]

Remember the last series where Shesterkin had more points than Tony?

The only notable thing Tony did in that series was get booed mercilessly and then have his stick flung out of his hand by Mika right before Kreider sniped one past Raanta.

Tony was robbed of a secondary assist here though.

No Monday morning pick me up quite like Playoff Kid Line highlights

 

[DialUp]

$90 difference between the two players.

Put in other words, that's a door dash delivery for a California Chicken Wrap with a side of Fries.

 

[nyr2k2]

I could be mistaken, but in the vid of Laffy handing over the Broadway Hat, I THINK that’s Lindy behind him in Street clothes, not in a sling

No, you're correct. There's a picture of it in one of the threads here. Definitely out of the sling.

 

[Lion Hound]

So for the cap circumvention thing. Are the Rangers going to do the same thing with 2 players sitting on the bench vs the Flyers and Sens this week or was that one game enough?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Strome was a passenger and not half the all around player Trocheck is. The faceoffs alone were worth the 600K difference in salary. The Rangers knew theywere going to pay in the 5mil range for a 2C, whether it was Strome or Copp. They got a much better player for slightly less money. I dont think it was ever a matter of changing Panarin's style. The team wants him playing that high offense style, he just needs to do it better this time around. Slow footed strome who cant win a faceoff to save his life needed to be changed out.

It's also very funny that Trocheck got infected with with Strome's inability to finish (I think hes underperforming his xGF by like 10 according to Vally) and he is still only 3 goals away from tying Strome's career high, and could easily get to 30 if he gets hot.

I think we mostly agree, I wasn't saying that they wanted Panarin necessarily to change his style (his #1 priority is obviously still elite offensive production) but they wanted to change the overall mix of his line for the 15-20 min a night it is out there. If Panarin is going to have some giveaways and cheat towards the offensive zone a bit, stapling him to a center who does the same is a recipe for trouble i.e. last postseason. Which is why Trocheck is a much better fit overall IMO.

 

[IDvsEGO]

So for the cap circumvention thing. Are the Rangers going to do the same thing with 2 players sitting on the bench vs the Flyers and Sens this week or was that one game enough?

Should be enough by Wednesday I believe? Once the trade is made, they’re safe in terms of cap for the season.

 

[Levitate]

This is the result of cheap, penny-pinching owners holding everyone else hostage. This flat cap implementation has been beyond dumb. After next season, we're going to see huge leaps in the salary cap, and GMs won't be able to help themselves from spending like drunken sailors on inflated contracts. I have no idea why the league set up this famine now, feast later kind of salary cap situation.

Nah I mean it makes sense when you remember the owners demanded a 50-50 "hockey revenue" split (and then get to dictate what is considered hockey revenue and what is not) and therefor demand that all of the escrow from the covid seasons be paid back before the cap rises again.

Within the constraints of the CBA they placed upon themselves it makes sense (pay back the "borrowed" money in escrow before allowing higher spending etc) but in terms of team management and promoting a fun and exciting entertainment product then it sucks

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I don’t know, we’re all freaks here. Like to me, watching Ryan Carpenter serve someone’s match penalty for spitting (!), get some cardio in for 10 seconds and go back to the bench is pretty entertaining.

 

[Machinehead]

Nah I mean it makes sense when you remember the owners demanded a 50-50 "hockey revenue" split (and then get to dictate what is considered hockey revenue and what is not) and therefor demand that all of the escrow from the covid seasons be paid back before the cap rises again.

Within the constraints of the CBA they placed upon themselves it makes sense (pay back the "borrowed" money in escrow before allowing higher spending etc) but in terms of team management and promoting a fun and exciting entertainment product then it sucks

So it makes sense when you remember that owners are cheap and penny-pinching?