Toggle sidebar

Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

  • Xenforo Cloud has upgraded us to version 2.3.6. Please report any issues you experience.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Laffybomb said:
I dont think so, but Mika would have to center the line. Leaves you with
Panarin Mika Kane
Kreider Trochek Tarasenko
Laf chytil kakko
Vesey Goodrow Motte
Click to expand...
This is the way to go. Mika provides the best defense out of the top 3 centers.

And the Rangers will definitely try to reunite Kane and Bread. Why not:

Once Kane and Panarin figured out how they could best utilize each other, they were nearly unstoppable. In the 2016-17 season, their second season together, the Blackhawks held a 94-52 scoring advantage when they were on the ice together in all situations and 52-38 in five-on-five play. Kane had 25 goals and 47 assists, including 27 primary, with Panarin on the ice in all situations, and Panarin had 29 goals and 34 assists, 21 primary, with Kane on the ice.
Click to expand...

theathletic.com

Patrick Kane unlocked: The Blackhawks star once again has that perfect linemate

Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat are re-creating some of the chemistry Kane had with ex-Blackhawk Artemi Panarin.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

Problem is Gallant will also try to match up against the others best with that line, because of Mika. Unless they are killing it and possessing the puck the entire time, could be tough on the other side of the ice. We will see. Bread and Kane are 6-7 years older.

I will say we have seen a heck of a lot more physicality from Bread this year, especially as of late. think he's got his head where it needs to be for the run.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SnowblindNYR
HockeyBasedNYC said:
This is the way to go.

And the Rangers will definitely try to reunite Kane and Bread. Why not:



theathletic.com

Patrick Kane unlocked: The Blackhawks star once again has that perfect linemate

Patrick Kane and Alex DeBrincat are re-creating some of the chemistry Kane had with ex-Blackhawk Artemi Panarin.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
Click to expand...

Like thats all well and good but neither of them are the player they were then.

Plus Kreider-Zib-Tarasenko has been like running Leshitshow out there with 2 of his clones.
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: Boris Zubov and leetch99
Uninstaaled said:
Like thats all well and good but neither of them are the player they were then.

Plus Kreider-Zib-Tarasenko has been like running Leshitshow out there with 2 of his clones.
Click to expand...
I don't think a shooter works with them because Kreider and Zibanejad are already both volume shooters.

You either need a third forechecker going all out on the size thing (Kakko was good with them), or you would need a truly elite passer like a Kane.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheDirtyH
How are playoff opponents going to matchup against the Rangers forwards? They are building a lineup like the one Pittsburgh had during their run of multiple Cups. Game wrecking talent on 3 different lines, so pick your poison

Kreider-Mika-Tarasenko are 3 Bulls who can own the boards. Once Vladdy starts to realize he's here to shoot the damn puck, that line will be tough to stop.

Panarin-Trocheck-Kane is a line that can make a lot of defenseman look clueless. With Vinny's faceoff ability, give them every O-Zone start.

We know what the Kid Line is capapble of and I look forward to how they play against the Scott Harrington's and Brendan Smith's of the world. I think Smitty still has an imprint of the number 72 on himself from that reverse hit + backhand snipe Chytil clowned him with last year.

I also love the 4th Line. Other teams arent getting a break with them and it can act as a true defense and forechecking line that has killed us forever. Vesey's newfound tenacity also helps put to bed a lot of my fears about the physical nature of the playoffs. We're a big team that can handle itself.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GlasgowNewYorkRanger, KOVALEV022473, Synergy27 and 2 others
Machinehead said:
I don't think a shooter works with them because Kreider and Zibanejad are already both volume shooters.

You either need a third forechecker going all out on the size thing (Kakko was good with them), or you would need a truly elite passer like a Kane.
Click to expand...

Yup.

Kane on that line is a no brainer but of course Gallant is going to try to force Kane with Panarin even though Tarasenko was doing more than just fine on his RW.
 
GAGLine said:
The numbers have changed since last night, but there's no mention of Carpenter or Schneider being sent down, and the cap space hasn't increased as much as I expected.

Last night, I looked at the amount of cap space we currently have, the amount of cap space we are projected to have by the deadline, and divided the difference by 5 (as there were 5 days remaining until the deadline). I assumed that would give the the correct amount that we are currently saving, per day, before Carpenter and Schneider are sent down.

I expected the daily number to be about 41k (about 50k after players demoted), but the number only changed by $37,441. There must be some variable in this equation that I'm missing. If the accrual for Sunday hadn't happened yet when I looked at it last night, then there were 6 days remaining, but that comes out to $34,172 per day, which is short of what we got.

So, long story short, I don't really know when exactly we will have enough to make the Kane trade. We can assume that we need a total of 2.625 mil - 750k (Carpenter) = 1.875 mil. We are currently $115,276 away. If we assume the current daily accrual is $37,441, and we save another $9,054 per day by demoting Schneider and Carpenter, it will take 3 more days to accrue enough cap space to make the deal. Even if Carpenter and Schneider are back up for the game Wednesday, we should still have enough to acquire Kane on Thursday, and he could potentially play for us that night.
Click to expand...
Yeah, its definitely not going to be any earlier than Weds. Likely Thursday.

I find all of the cap calculations to be difficult too. Nothing ever checks out 100% and we always hear different figures coming from the beat writers. Heres hoping the Rangers have a great cap-ologist.
 
Uninstaaled said:
Yup.

Kane on that line is a no brainer but of course Gallant is going to try to force Kane with Panarin even though Tarasenko was doing more than just fine on his RW.
Click to expand...
Yeah, I thought Panarin-Trocheck-Tarasenko was great and we go out of our way to avoid it for no reason.

Gallant's biggest weakness is hating good lines. Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko say hello.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheDirtyH, UnSandvich, Atax and 1 other person
HockeyBasedNYC said:
Yeah, its definitely not going to be any earlier than Weds. Likely Thursday.

I find all of the cap calculations to be difficult too. Nothing ever checks out 100% and we always hear different figures coming from the beat writers. Heres hoping the Rangers have a great cap-ologist.
Click to expand...

I think its happening Wednesday. According to uh, everything out there thats the earliest it can happen and I don't think they want to deal with this f***ery anymore.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HockeyBasedNYC
McRanger92 said:
How are playoff opponents going to matchup against the Rangers forwards? They are building a lineup like the one Pittsburgh had during their run of multiple Cups. Game wrecking talent on 3 different lines, so pick your poison

Kreider-Mika-Tarasenko are 3 Bulls who can own the boards. Once Vladdy starts to realize he's here to shoot the damn puck, that line will be tough to stop.

Panarin-Trocheck-Kane is a line that can make a lot of defenseman look clueless. With Vinny's faceoff ability, give them every O-Zone start.

We know what the Kid Line is capapble of and I look forward to how they play against the Scott Harrington's and Brendan Smith's of the world. I think Smitty still has an imprint of the number 72 on himself from that reverse hit + backhand snipe Chytil clowned him with last year.

I also love the 4th Line. Other teams arent getting a break with them and it can act as a true defense and forechecking line that has killed us forever. Vesey's newfound tenacity also helps put to bed a lot of my fears about the physical nature of the playoffs. We're a big team that can handle itself.
Click to expand...
Whatever they decide, the Kid and 4th lines are the key.

Like you said they will be matching up against bottom pairings and lower lines. If the kid line starts going off, then it frees up one of the top two lines for a better matchup. This is what its all about in the playoffs, depth.

The one thing I love about Motte is he throws it to the net. Nothing pretty, just gets it on at the right moments. We've already seen that result in two goals from that line. I wish there was more of that on the other lines (Chytil does it and Laf seems to be coming around) than constantly passing cross ice and trying impossible fancy shit. Just get it on and they have enough presence and skill around the net on all lines to get a piece of the shot, get to loose rebounds, or get a bounce.

The 4th will get theirs. All 3 know how to play the role they need to play but they have about 30 goals this season between the 3 of them. They can put the puck in the net.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheDirtyH
Tank literally scored on his first shift with Panarin, then we never saw that line again. I thought the whole point of acquiring Tank was to give Panarin a mate. Now they’re going after Kane for the same reason. History tells me to expect Vesey or Goodrow at 2RW in April regardless of how many future hall of famers they acquire by the deadline.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Atax, HatTrick Swayze, Avery16 and 3 others
GAGLine said:
The numbers have changed since last night, but there's no mention of Carpenter or Schneider being sent down, and the cap space hasn't increased as much as I expected.

Last night, I looked at the amount of cap space we currently have, the amount of cap space we are projected to have by the deadline, and divided the difference by 5 (as there were 5 days remaining until the deadline). I assumed that would give the the correct amount that we are currently saving, per day, before Carpenter and Schneider are sent down.

I expected the daily number to be about 41k (about 50k after players demoted), but the number only changed by $37,441. There must be some variable in this equation that I'm missing. If the accrual for Sunday hadn't happened yet when I looked at it last night, then there were 6 days remaining, but that comes out to $34,172 per day, which is short of what we got.

So, long story short, I don't really know when exactly we will have enough to make the Kane trade. We can assume that we need a total of 2.625 mil - 750k (Carpenter) = 1.875 mil. We are currently $115,276 away. If we assume the current daily accrual is $37,441, and we save another $9,054 per day by demoting Schneider and Carpenter, it will take 3 more days to accrue enough cap space to make the deal. Even if Carpenter and Schneider are back up for the game Wednesday, we should still have enough to acquire Kane on Thursday, and he could potentially play for us that night.
Click to expand...
The calculations are way too complex to even try to decipher for me. I have to imagine the Rangers front office has been working with the league to get the calculations exactly correct, given the amount of roster moves we’ve made in the last couple of days. Makes me think they know what they need to do and when. And now they’re just checking the boxes and waiting.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Crease
I don’t trust CapFriendly or Puckpedia to get the numbers exactly right. I doubt they get their data from the league office. They scrape from public reports. If they are off by one day on a transaction, it changes all the math.
 
Crease said:
Tank literally scored on his first shift with Panarin, then we never saw that line again. I thought the whole point of acquiring Tank was to give Panarin a mate. Now they’re going after Kane for the same reason. History tells me to expect Vesey or Goodrow at 2RW in April regardless of how many future hall of famers they acquire by the deadline.
Click to expand...

It was so strange that Gallant just gave up on the pairing after one game (iirc). Panarin went super saiyan in that game, so how much of it played into his dominance with Trocheck and Vesey later in that game, I don't know.

There's no doubt that they're all-in on this window with Panarin and trying to find someone who can play with him and keep him in super saiyan mode for more than a game or two at a time.
 


If we trade for Kane, we create an emergency because we will no longer have cap space to call someone up?

maybe enact that emergency call up by Thursday?

Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Trocheck Kane
Laffy Chytil Tank
Motte Goodrow Vesey

Mikkola Fox
Harpur Trouba
CrippLindren Schneider

Robertson gets a look so he doesn't have to clear?

*this is assuming KAM is suspended
 
Begs the question why did they call up Carpenter to be the 18th body, and not just use Lindgren for that purpose?
 
  • Like
Reactions: RGY
Crease said:
Begs the question why did they call up Carpenter to be the 18th body, and not just use Lindgren for that purpose?
Click to expand...
If shit hit the fan (which it almost did between Miller and Mika blocking that shot) you need someone healthy to play. If Carpenter had to play a few shifts because the bench was short its a better alternative than forcing an already banged up Lindy into that position.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RGY
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom