Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[Machinehead]

Right but you can't brush off the fact that they have, multiple times traded huge draft capital on these tough to play against grinders and you can't deny their success. I'm just saying on a high level, its working for them and theyve never added an aging veteran scorer at a deadline. You're 100% right about their core but I still think it's a bad sign for the Rangers strategy here.

You can't have a deadline strategy based on what the guy down the street is doing. You have to address what your team needs. We need top six players with skill.

Tampa needs to keep cycling in and out forecheckers and depth players because they're locked into a core of smallish scorers.

The Rangers already have the best forechecker of his generation in Kreider, a huge two-way center, a couple of massive defensemen, and the Kid Line is a checking line right now whether we wanted that out of them or not. That element already exists in the core more than people give credit for.

Tampa also lost the plot of this one. Hagel, Paul, Coleman, and even Goodrow could play. Hagel has 49 points in 59 games. Jeannot is a plug.

 

[The Gloaming]

I would want to see the Kreider-Mika combo with an elite playmaker like Patty Kane first. I hope Gallant gives them a chance.

 

[leetch99]

I wonder what Mika's ankle looked like this AM ? Sometimes the worst comes the day after.....I hope we can get a report on that and that it is a good one.....as well for Lindgren . We need them healthy to win . Plus...when do we find out more details on KAM situation ? Suspension...rebuttal ....fall out ?

 

[haohmaru]

Lost in all of this superstar shuffling is Vesey / Goodrow / Motte is an insanely good 4th line. I mean, Cup winning good.

 

[Mac n Gs]

It's interesting to see yet again Tampa pays a huge price to add a guy like Jeannot to their team. They've done this so many times and had so much success. Have they ever added a guy like Tarasenko or Kane at a deadline(aged/older guy who used to be really good)? Just seems like the wrong thought process for a playoff run. Many on here called for a move for Jeannot and I think it's a mistake the Rangers weren't in the mix for him.

Jeannot is up for an arbitration-eligible new contract after this season ends, and both Friedman and Seravalli have noted that it could be pretty expensive based on his performance from last year. Rangers weren't in any position - and still aren't - to be adding any more long-term money to their books. I don't think Jeannot is as good as some think, but he's also not as bad as everyone posting bad models like Dom's or Evolving Wild's seem to think.

I still don't really get the fit for Tampa unless they're moving out a wing like Namestnikov, but all they need to do is plug Jeannot into that 3RW or 2LW spot where Killorn was to maximize his value. It's going to be hilarious to watch a Colton-Paul-Jeannot line go against Toronto in round 1 and absolute break that entire city's collective brain

 

[Leonardo87]

You know I’ve got a white Lindros jersey (don’t ask) that I never wore for obvious reasons. Would love to switch that nameplate off

I tend to buy jerseys blank now, but my most recent named jersey I got , which was about 2 or 3 years ago, was Fox. I also own a Mika away, Kreider home, and the Fox one I mentioned. On top of a couple of Cally jerseys and a Lundqvist one. So I’m content for now, lol

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Because they have to accrue cap space. The salary cap is a daily hit. They sent Schneider down so they will accrue cap space for every day he’s off the roster. That’s why they had to waive Leschyshyn by Saturday and traded Kravtsov early as well

The Lesch and Krav moves were done to be compliant by Friday....I think the Carpenter/Schneider moves were done to get deal done by Wednesday.

 

[Avery16]

It's interesting to see yet again Tampa pays a huge price to add a guy like Jeannot to their team. They've done this so many times and had so much success. Have they ever added a guy like Tarasenko or Kane at a deadline(aged/older guy who used to be really good)? Just seems like the wrong thought process for a playoff run. Many on here called for a move for Jeannot and I think it's a mistake the Rangers weren't in the mix for him.

For the cost alone I'm glad we did not.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I wonder what Mika's ankle looked like this AM ? Sometimes the worst comes the day after.....I hope we can get a report on that and that it is a good one.....as well for Lindgren . We need them healthy to win . Plus...when do we find out more details on KAM situation ? Suspension...rebuttal ....fall out ?

Dream on re Mika and Lindgren.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

So back onto Kane.

Whats the earliest the Rangers can bring him in? Wednesday?

Id assume they will send Carpenter back down and also Schneider via paper only to accrue more space.

Will it be enough for Weds?

 

[RGY]

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[Machinehead]

Lafreniere and especially Kakko are good at checking, and Lafreniere is annoying. Lafreniere low-key hits a lot now and Kakko doesn't but he doesn't have to because he has a giant ass and just boxes people out.

If they ever develop offensive touch (and they're still so young in the grand scheme of things) that line is gonna bully the league.

I have a feeling this is the way the Rangers wanted them to develop. The Rangers always want two-way, checking forwards before they let you off the leash. If there's not enough skill as a result, they'll rent it.

Doesn't always work but that's who we are.

 

[Machinehead]

I wonder what Mika's ankle looked like this AM ? Sometimes the worst comes the day after.....I hope we can get a report on that and that it is a good one.....as well for Lindgren . We need them healthy to win . Plus...when do we find out more details on KAM situation ? Suspension...rebuttal ....fall out ?

We should find out where Miller stands this afternoon.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Their success is due to Kucherov, Point, Stamkos, Hedman, Vasilevskiy not whatever bottom six player they decide they have to trade their whole draft for each year.

Since they clearly don't respect Al Murray's talent by taking away all of his shots at finding elite talents in this generational draft, maybe Dolan can bribe him to steal all of Tampa's secrets and come here? We need a better drafting and development staff.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

They haven't had to plug the holes in their top 6 because they didn't have them to begin with. They always had a great forward core.

Rangers couldn't go into the playoffs with Goodrow and Vesey in the top 6.

And when arguably the best winger of his generation (and also plays the position your team is weakest in) only wants to come to your team, are you supposed to say no to that?

Their success is due to Kucherov, Point, Stamkos, Hedman, Vasilevskiy not whatever bottom six player they decide they have to trade their whole draft for each year.

You can't have a deadline strategy based on what the guy down the street is doing. You have to address what your team needs. We need top six players with skill.

Tampa needs to keep cycling in and out forecheckers and depth players because they're locked into a core of smallish scorers.

The Rangers already have the best forechecker of his generation in Kreider, a huge two-way center, a couple of massive defensemen, and the Kid Line is a checking line right now whether we wanted that out of them or not. That element already exists in the core more than people give credit for.

Tampa also lost the plot of this one. Hagel, Paul, Coleman, and even Goodrow could play. Hagel has 49 points in 59 games. Jeannot is a plug.

Jeannot is up for an arbitration-eligible new contract after this season ends, and both Friedman and Seravalli have noted that it could be pretty expensive based on his performance from last year. Rangers weren't in any position - and still aren't - to be adding any more long-term money to their books. I don't think Jeannot is as good as some think, but he's also not as bad as everyone posting bad models like Dom's or Evolving Wild's seem to think.

I still don't really get the fit for Tampa unless they're moving out a wing like Namestnikov, but all they need to do is plug Jeannot into that 3RW or 2LW spot where Killorn was to maximize his value. It's going to be hilarious to watch a Colton-Paul-Jeannot line go against Toronto in round 1 and absolute break that entire city's collective brain

I actually agree with the sentiment in most of these responses - Tampa's success is due to their amazing core. I guess I am saying that I am not sure if you can add an aging top 6 forward and solve the issues we have. Tampa built their core and always plugs their bottom 6 with very tough to play against grinders. Maybe I'm over thinking it but just concerned that Patty Kane is not going to come in and light it up right away. May take time to build the chemistry. Feels much simpler to add a grinder to the mix, comparatively. I am concerned that I haven't seen many teams add aging veterans to their top 6 at or around the deadline and have deep playoffs runs.

 

[SA16]

I actually agree with the sentiment in most of these responses - Tampa's success is due to their amazing core. I guess I am saying that I am not sure if you can add an aging top 6 forward and solve the issues we have. Tampa built their core and always plugs their bottom 6 with very tough to play against grinders. Maybe I'm over thinking it but just concerned that Patty Kane is not going to come in and light it up right away. May take time to build the chemistry. Feels much simpler to add a grinder to the mix, comparatively. I am concerned that I haven't seen many teams add aging veterans to their top 6 at or around the deadline and have deep playoffs runs.

We already did it once with MSL. And of course you haven't seen it much. There aren't too many guys at that level that get dealt. There was Giroux last year. Obviously it's going to look like teams that trade for grinders go further in the playoffs than teams that deal for current/former stars. There are way more grinders/secondary scorers that get dealt every year.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

We already did it once with MSL. And of course you haven't seen it much. There aren't too many guys at that level that get dealt. There was Giroux last year.

True, MSL was definitely a success

 

[McRanger92]

Carolina I bet

Canes loading up on as many Rangers who never got it done in the playoffs as they can.

 

[Machinehead]

I actually agree with the sentiment in most of these responses - Tampa's success is due to their amazing core. I guess I am saying that I am not sure if you can add an aging top 6 forward and solve the issues we have. Tampa built their core and always plugs their bottom 6 with very tough to play against grinders. Maybe I'm over thinking it but just concerned that Patty Kane is not going to come in and light it up right away. May take time to build the chemistry. Feels much simpler to add a grinder to the mix, comparatively. I am concerned that I haven't seen many teams add aging veterans to their top 6 at or around the deadline and have deep playoffs runs.

We're adding Kane because we already have too many grinders that we desperately need to put lower in the lineup.

The issues that we have basically stem from the fact that our 1OA and 2OA picks are plus grinders who can score a bit.

No, Kane is not solving that, but neither are more grinders.

We added Vatrano who is not exactly Bob Gainey and had a deep run. We added MSL and had a deep run. Phil Kessel was the final piece for the Penguins winning two Cups as an offseason move, and should have won the Conn Smythe. It doesn't often happen at the deadline because skill is more expensive. That doesn't mean it's somehow a worse thing to do at the deadline. Every team would be lined up for Tarasenko and Kane if they could be.

 

[McRanger92]

I wonder what Mika's ankle looked like this AM ? Sometimes the worst comes the day after.....I hope we can get a report on that and that it is a good one.....as well for Lindgren . We need them healthy to win . Plus...when do we find out more details on KAM situation ? Suspension...rebuttal ....fall out ?

Was thinking the same on Mika. Wouldnt be surprised if he misses a couple due to swelling but at least we have some days off before the next one. Lindgren was also out of the sling in the Broadway hat video the Rangers Twitter account posted. Perhaps he's back in soon

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

So are those Kane Rangers jerseys available yet? Asking for a friend.

 

[Fitzy]

Does GG immediately replace Tank with Kane on PP1? You would certainly hope so. Tarasenko looked really good with the Kids on PP2. It's a shame one of the Kids will come off but it is what it is.

Kane means we're going all in for a cup, so we're going to be furloughing kid development for a tick.

Incidentally, I still cannot believe Mika doesn't have a broken ankle. I was sure he'd be out until the 2nd round.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Lafreniere and especially Kakko are good at checking, and Lafreniere is annoying. Lafreniere low-key hits a lot now and Kakko doesn't but he doesn't have to because he has a giant ass and just boxes people out.

If they ever develop offensive touch (and they're still so young in the grand scheme of things) that line is gonna bully the league.

I have a feeling this is the way the Rangers wanted them to develop. The Rangers always want two-way, checking forwards before they let you off the leash. If there's not enough skill as a result, they'll rent it.

Doesn't always work but that's who we are.

I think they'll pick it up even further in the playoffs. That third line should be a huge advantage for us especially if Chytil can get scoring goals again.

 

[GAGLine]

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The numbers have changed since last night, but there's no mention of Carpenter or Schneider being sent down, and the cap space hasn't increased as much as I expected.

Last night, I looked at the amount of cap space we currently have, the amount of cap space we are projected to have by the deadline, and divided the difference by 5 (as there were 5 days remaining until the deadline). I assumed that would give the the correct amount that we are currently saving, per day, before Carpenter and Schneider are sent down.

I expected the daily number to be about 41k (about 50k after players demoted), but the number only changed by $37,441. There must be some variable in this equation that I'm missing. If the accrual for Sunday hadn't happened yet when I looked at it last night, then there were 6 days remaining, but that comes out to $34,172 per day, which is short of what we got.

So, long story short, I don't really know when exactly we will have enough to make the Kane trade. We can assume that we need a total of 2.625 mil - 750k (Carpenter) = 1.875 mil. We are currently $115,276 away. If we assume the current daily accrual is $37,441, and we save another $9,054 per day by demoting Schneider and Carpenter, it will take 3 more days to accrue enough cap space to make the deal. Even if Carpenter and Schneider are back up for the game Wednesday, we should still have enough to acquire Kane on Thursday, and he could potentially play for us that night.

 

[NYR Viper]

I have to laugh at the cries on this thread about Meier. He's a good player, for sure. But let's think back a bit. The Rangers signed Panarin, for nothing but cash, just a few years ago. The same Panarin who is having a 'down year' at 67 point in 60 games and a sterling 6.9% CF% at even strength.

Even if they Devils only traded a 1st rounder for Meier and then signed him to an 8 year deal worth $9m per season, Panarin trumps it, and not by a little bit.