Roster Building Thread IV (2022-23): Luck of the Irish

[Leonardo87]

Half the board already wants him in the NHL next season. It’s like nobody ever learns that rushing players doesnt work.

He should get a season in the AHL. There is no reason to rush him or should they, especially on this stacked roster.

 

[Leonardo87]

Rangers dont really have that luxury with a flat cap. It's possible he doesnt break camp with the team but he's a talented prospect on an ELC, he wont be in Hartford for an extended period of time imo.

Oh sorry saw your edit. I think he should still get a season there , let him tear it up and when he does bring him up.

 

[MrAlmost]

Half the board already wants him in the NHL next season from opening night. It’s like nobody ever learns that rushing players doesnt work. Those are also probably the same posters who just continuously bash kakko and laf the last 2-3 years.

He will probably need some time in the AHL, but he is a good player. He might have a chance to crack the lineup right away, but always best to err on the side of caution.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How about we let Othmann's play dictate when he makes the team? He isn't ready now, but that may not be the case 6 months from now.

His body definitely needs to catch up to his game. He's always taken almost as much as hes given and his body needs to be ale to withstand that. He should spend the summer in CT training with pros (Lafreniere should, instead of going home and skating with beer leaguers and QMJHL over agers.)

 

[duhmetreE]

What bothers me about this shit lineups... we have limited practice time available. We wont practice for the next month probably... Maybe get a full practice in at the end of March?

We are wasting valuable time to practice with a group that will inevitably change. Then that practice time is a waste of time. Do you really think the PP units will be separate long term? Kreider Zibs Tank has been horrendous analytically at even strength.

I just dont get the thought process. Over complicating simple solutions

 

[The Crypto Guy]

How about we let Othmann's play dictate when he makes the team? He isn't ready now, but that may not be the case 6 months from now.

His body definitely needs to catch up to his game. He's always taken almost as much as hes given and his body needs to be ale to withstand that. He should spend the summer in CT training with pros (Lafreniere should, instead of going home and skating with beer leaguers and QMJHL over agers.)

That’s an unrealistic expectation if you think he can just work out a few months and be ready to withstand the NHL. If it were only that easy…

Let him withstand the AHL first, then we can discuss the NHL.

 

[duhmetreE]

How about we let Othmann's play dictate when he makes the team? He isn't ready now, but that may not be the case 6 months from now.

His body definitely needs to catch up to his game. He's always taken almost as much as hes given and his body needs to be ale to withstand that. He should spend the summer in CT training with pros (Lafreniere should, instead of going home and skating with beer leaguers and QMJHL over agers.)

I dont know how orgs give so much free reign for their athletes, when it comes to training. A massive org should be hiring personal trainers for all their talent. There should be some protocols in place. I also dont comprehend how little they teach on nutrition.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That’s an unrealistic expectation if you think he can just work out a few months and be ready to withstand the NHL. If it were only that easy…

It's not when you're 20.

These guys are growing in their gear.

Not saying that he's going to do it, but it wouldn't be the first time its happened.

 

[Machinehead]

To make a long story short

1) Fundamental skills seem to either stagnate or deteriorate on the Rangers and that predates Gallant. This is different from your in-season coaching staff.

2) The Rangers didn't build confidence right away (Quinn failed at this big time) and they got replaced by better players as the team got more competitive.

To add to this, I also think the Rangers knew they had Panarin and Kreider locked up when they won Lafreniere, and should have committed to moving somebody to RW and f***ing stuck with it.

We're at the point now where we can't afford that level of experimentation.

 

[duhmetreE]

To add to this, I also think the Rangers knew they had Panarin and Kreider locked up when they won Lafreniere, and should have committed to moving somebody to RW and f***ing stuck with it.

We're at the point now where we can't afford that level of experimentation.

but you dont understand. They said they aren't as comfortable as being on LW.

We can't have people doing uncomfortable things in this country club.

 

[bhamill]

It might look like we are, but I'm beginning to think we need a stickied post reminding everyone that scoring is up over 50%.

Is this legit? Where is this coming from? Everything I've searched says the average goals per game per team is around 3.23 (which is high, last time it was higher was 3.24 in 93-94.) Last year was 3.15 per game per team... a 50% increase would be 4.72 goals per game per team.
I agree that NYR are not doing awfully on the D side.

 

[Machinehead]

Is this legit? Where is this coming from? Everything I've searched says the average goals per game per team is around 3.23 (which is high, last time it was higher was 3.24 in 93-94.) Last year was 3.15 per game per team... a 50% increase would be 4.72 goals per game per team.
I agree that NYR are not doing awfully on the D side.

I didn't mean last year.

It's up 50% from when the core of regular posters joined the forum.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

but you dont understand. They said they aren't as comfortable as being on LW.

We can't have people doing uncomfortable things in this country club.

They tried it with Kreider, he can't do it.

Panarin said that he didn't want to and they didn't try to force it upon him. The appease Panarin movment has always been a thing and its in full effect now. If it fails miserably, he should be moved.

 

[duhmetreE]

They tried it with Kreider, he can't do it.

Panarin said that he didn't want to and they didn't try to force it upon him. The appease Panarin movment has always been a thing and its in full effect now. If it fails miserably, he should be moved.

It didn't have to be Kreider. Laffy was fine there and coming along.... but nope.

 

[bhamill]

I didn't mean last year.

It's up 50% from when the core of regular posters joined the forum.

I dont even know how to quantify that, but I take your point.

 

[The Gloaming]

They tried it with Kreider, he can't do it.

Panarin said that he didn't want to and they didn't try to force it upon him. The appease Panarin movment has always been a thing and its in full effect now. If it fails miserably, he should be moved.

It makes sense with Kreider. He's a straight ahead player who's not going to be collecting many passes on his backhand. Being on his strong side suits his speed game.

Panarin could have probably done it but many skilled players prefer being on their weak side where their stick is more to the middle of the ice (Ovi, Kane, Kucherov). Although I can name some skilled wingers who plays on their strong side, so it is clearly possible. (Kaprizov, Marner).

Panarin should have been the one to move to RW but this organization is deathly afraid of doing something different.

 

[Machinehead]

I dont even know how to quantify that, but I take your point.

It's a bit of a gray area. I would say 12-17 is probably the Hank run, and it's also DPE2 (which was low-key worse than the DPE) and a lot of our posters are from that time.

It went from about 4 goals then to 6 goals now.

 

[The Gloaming]

It's a bit of a gray area. I would say 12-17 is probably the Hank run, and it's also DPE2 (which was low-key worse than the DPE) and a lot of our posters are from that time.

It went from about 4 goals then to 6 goals now.

Jamie Benn won the Art Ross with 87 points. Kane with slightly over 100. That would be laughable now.

 

[Machinehead]

Jamie Benn won the Art Ross with 87 points. Kane with slightly over 100. That would be laughable now.

Chris Kreider had 77 points last year. He would have hung around in the Art Ross race in 2015.

 

[leetch99]

How about we let Othmann's play dictate when he makes the team? He isn't ready now, but that may not be the case 6 months from now.

His body definitely needs to catch up to his game. He's always taken almost as much as hes given and his body needs to be ale to withstand that. He should spend the summer in CT training with pros (Lafreniere should, instead of going home and skating with beer leaguers and QMJHL over agers.)

People forget that he also played in not one but two high end hockey tournaments being the World Junior August 2022 and then again in Christmas of 22 ......plus he got traded in junior . He likely has a bit of a hockey hangover happening . I think he will be great come next Fall for training camp .

 

[duhmetreE]

Chris Kreider had 77 points last year. He would have hung around in the Art Ross race in 2015.

League finally caught on that offense sells. NFL, MLB and NBA are way ahead in that aspect.

Too bad the Rangers still haven't gotten the memo, tactically speaking. Roster is set up for offense at least.

 

[Machinehead]

League finally caught on that offense sells. NFL, MLB and NBA are way ahead in that aspect.

Too bad the Rangers still haven't gotten the memo, tactically speaking. Roster is set up for offense at least.

I don't think the league really did anything. There were certainly no rule changes. I feel like clutching and grabbing is at a high since the lockout (thanks, Trotz and Cooper).

I think it comes down to equipment and culture.

These sticks they have nowadays are like steel beams that somehow weigh nothing and flex like flubber.

And as I've mentioned many times, forwards don't really play defense anymore.

I think McDavid has a lot to do with the latter. He has an entire generation of players focused on skating and skill, whereas Crosby was very much a "the right way" player, as talented as he is.

Ironically, McDavid is outstanding defensively by today's standards but it's not what he gets noticed for.

 

[LokiDog]

Us playing a game would be kind of great right now. I’ve been home sick as a dog since Monday and diagnosed with pneumonia and possible abscess on the right lung (not AS bad as it sounds, it’s a build up of phlegm and pus, but not a necrotic abscess like you might get on your skin) today so, suffice to say, I have never felt worse in my life. I’d kill to watch a Rangers win and not my wife’s cringe TV series’ right now.

Just dizzy, short of breath and miserable. Starting 2 weeks of doxycycline. The only part that really sucks is I can’t pay attention to the little dude for at least a few days because kids can contract pneumonia somewhat easily.

 

[Machinehead]

Us playing a game would be kind of great right now. I’ve been home sick as a dog since Monday and diagnosed with pneumonia and possible abscess on the right lung today so, suffice to say, I have never felt worse in my life. I’d kill to watch a Rangers win and not my wife’s cringe TV series’ right now.

Get well, friend.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't think the league really did anything. There were certainly no rule changes. I feel like clutching and grabbing is at a high since the lockout (thanks, Trotz and Cooper).

I think it comes down to equipment and culture.

These sticks they have nowadays are like steel beams that somehow weigh nothing and flex like flubber.

And as I've mentioned many times, forwards don't really play defense anymore.

I think McDavid has a lot to do with the latter. He has an entire generation of players focused on skating and skill, whereas Crosby was very much a "the right way" player, as talented as he is.

Ironically, McDavid is outstanding defensively by today's standards but it's not what he gets noticed for.

I think the rule changes and new tactics are finally coming to fruition. Kids are definitely more skilled. No cross checking in front has helped a lot.. sticks have become absurd too.. PP success has taken off as well. Feel like everyone is running a variation of 1-3-1 now

In with the new, out with the old. We're almost there.

On defense, I dont buy that. The good teams attack as 5 and defend as 5. There's no more 'roles' in that sense. Every skater needs to be involved in every aspect. once again, we're not there yet.