Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

[Boris Zubov]

The day that Hertl Turtled...

So you're implying Monahan would've beaten up McIlrath?

 

[DanielBrassard]

If the Blues made ROR available, what would they be looking for? Youth/size on D? Depth scoring? Freeing up cap space?

They aren't making him available.

 

[jay from jersey]

Gallant hasn't managed to last long anywhere yet, but if he can get the lockerroom all on the same page and pulling in the same direction, then that will remain once he's gone.

That Vegas team kept the same work ethic and drive that he'd helped instill, long after he was gone. And the players loved him. He never got on their asses about every little mistake, but told them to keep being aggressive every shift.

That’s exactly what this bunch needs. Hopefully even if he’s gone in 2 years our young guys mature a little bit and carry that winning culture/attitude over to whoever is the next bench boss. But I don’t see why we wouldn’t give gallant a 3 yr deal

 

[True Blue]

Gallant hasn't managed to last long anywhere yet, but if he can get the lockerroom all on the same page and pulling in the same direction, then that will remain once he's gone.

That Vegas team kept the same work ethic and drive that he'd helped instill, long after he was gone. And the players loved him. He never got on their asses about every little mistake, but told them to keep being aggressive every shift.

I get all that. But hate the idea of needing to have a young, growing team get to a point where they have 3 coaches in 4 years. Him not lasting until year 3 is finished is a HUGE red flag. At least to me. And while I certainly have no inside knowledge, it may well be a lockerroom issue that is one of the causes. Getting fired halfway through a year where your team is in first place is not a good look.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They aren't making him available.

I dont think they will do so either but it does sound like they want to tear it down a bit or at least re shuffle the deck.

what else do they have that can be moved? Thomas and Dunn okay but theres gotta be more than that.

I'd be on Schenn too tbh.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I dont think they will do so either but it does sound like they want to tear it down a bit or at least re shuffle the deck.

what else do they have that can be moved? Thomas and Dunn okay but theres gotta be more than that.

I'd be on Schenn too tbh.

Schenn is legit the perfect fit for what we need in our lineup right now, and I’d be more comfortable with him aging well throughout his contract than someone like Kreider.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I dont think they will do so either but it does sound like they want to tear it down a bit or at least re shuffle the deck.

what else do they have that can be moved? Thomas and Dunn okay but theres gotta be more than that.

I'd be on Schenn too tbh.

There's no chance they trade O'Reilly while they are still attempting to compete which is the path they will continue down, that's what the GM is saying. I don't get the sense they are itching to tear it down at all, rearrange the deck chairs? sure but what team isn't looking to do that to some degree.

As far as Schenn, I'd stay away. 30 years old, 6x6.5 left on his deal. I'd rather just sign Danault in that case. Actually just trade for Eichel lol.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Schenn is legit the perfect fit for what we need in our lineup right now, and I’d be more comfortable with him aging well throughout his contract than someone like Kreider.

What's interesting is they have very similar contracts. Schenn has one extra season but is a year younger. Kreider has a full NMC up front vs Schenn having just a NTC.

According to that same Rutherford article in the Athletic, has has their needs as a LW while the NYR have a bit of a LW glut while needing a center. For a lot of reasons it makes sense to do a straight up old fashioned hockey trade / contract swap. Providing both players would be willing to waive.

 

[Pizza]

After watching the Islanders impose their will on the Penguins, I would hope Drury & Co. took notes.

This was a clinic in how to compete and win in the playoffs by a team that is purpose built.

And as recent evidence would suggest, the Rangers in their present form, have no hope of emulating.

Get busy Rangers. You have school to attend, with the Islanders as your task masters.

 

[mas0764]

After watching the Islanders impose their will on the Penguins, I would hope Drury & Co. took notes.

This was a clinic in how to compete and win in the playoffs by a team that is purpose built.

And as recent evidence would suggest, the Rangers in their present form, have no hope of emulating.

Get busy Rangers. You have school to attend, with the Islanders as your task masters.

Maybe if the Islanders win the Cup.

I maintain as of right now that the Islander's success is not something to overreact to. It's still a skill-era game.

Taking 6 games to beat an overrated, aging Penguins squad is not a reason to trade away Lundkvist and Kravtsov to get tuffer.

 

[JohnC]

After watching the Islanders impose their will on the Penguins, I would hope Drury & Co. took notes.

This was a clinic in how to compete and win in the playoffs by a team that is purpose built.

And as recent evidence would suggest, the Rangers in their present form, have no hope of emulating.

Get busy Rangers. You have school to attend, with the Islanders as your task masters.

This is a...bizarre take on a series that the Pens would’ve won if their goaltender didn’t shit the bed in dramatic fashion

 

[Trxjw]

What's interesting is they have very similar contracts. Schenn has one extra season but is a year younger. Kreider has a full NMC up front vs Schenn having just a NTC.

According to that same Rutherford article in the Athletic, has has their needs as a LW while the NYR have a bit of a LW glut while needing a center. For a lot of reasons it makes sense to do a straight up old fashioned hockey trade / contract swap. Providing both players would be willing to waive.

Wouldn't hate this at all.

 

[Off Sides]

The difficult thing with clauses beyond they exist, the team has to ask the player to waive them or provide a list, and then if they do not waive, or that trading team is a "no go" on any list (or the trade falls through for any reason), the players knows the team wanted to trade him. I guess that could be motivating for the player who was asked, who did not move on, yet seems like it would be deflating.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I’m not a big fan of the Kreider contract, but we really don’t have anyone else to replace his speed which is something we sorely lack

 

[huerter]

Schenner still thinks he's in the world juniors. Pass.

 

[Raspewtin]

After watching the Islanders impose their will on the Penguins, I would hope Drury & Co. took notes.

This was a clinic in how to compete and win in the playoffs by a team that is purpose built.

And as recent evidence would suggest, the Rangers in their present form, have no hope of emulating.

Get busy Rangers. You have school to attend, with the Islanders as your task masters.

"impose their will" = Jarry literally can't stop shots at an NHL level?

some of you are better off just going to the Isles board. f***s sake you guys like them more than your own team.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I get all that. But hate the idea of needing to have a young, growing team get to a point where they have 3 coaches in 4 years. Him not lasting until year 3 is finished is a HUGE red flag. At least to me. And while I certainly have no inside knowledge, it may well be a lockerroom issue that is one of the causes. Getting fired halfway through a year where your team is in first place is not a good look.

I'm actually pretty satisfied with the explanations for each of his firings. Not saying that it should be swept under the rug when considering him, but I think I come up short of calling it a red flag at this point.

As verified by Doug McLean, who is close friends with Dale Tallon; in Florida, Gallant was getting texts during games from a minority owner and their analytics guy telling him what lines to play. The team wasn't a top analytic team, so I guess they thought it was justifed. But they were middle of the road analytically while winning their division in his second season. Having somebody telling you how to deploy your lines during a game is f***ing nonsense, and I have a hard time blaming him for butting heads in that scenario.

Vegas, I feel we don't know as much about. It could have been as simple as a new GM wanting to bring in his guy, and jumping on a stretch of poor goaltending as an excuse. But based on an interview I seen with Gallant, I think it's more likely that he shared his opinions with management too freely and without enough tact.

If you want a guy who is going to defer to Drury and follow along with management's plans, then I can see how there would maybe be some concern.

Personally, I don't care about that in the least. If anything, give me the guy who may insulate our players from the clusterf*** that has been our front office this year. We have the horses that we're going to win with already. I want the guy who is going to rally the lockerroom and give the kids space and confidence to be aggressive.

All that said, I won't be upset if we go with Sullivan. But Gallant just feels right for this group.. imo.

 

[Raspewtin]

What's interesting is they have very similar contracts. Schenn has one extra season but is a year younger. Kreider has a full NMC up front vs Schenn having just a NTC.

According to that same Rutherford article in the Athletic, has has their needs as a LW while the NYR have a bit of a LW glut while needing a center. For a lot of reasons it makes sense to do a straight up old fashioned hockey trade / contract swap. Providing both players would be willing to waive.

minor point but Schenn and Kreider are the same age.

 

[Machinehead]

After watching the Islanders impose their will on the Penguins, I would hope Drury & Co. took notes.

This was a clinic in how to compete and win in the playoffs by a team that is purpose built.

And as recent evidence would suggest, the Rangers in their present form, have no hope of emulating.

Get busy Rangers. You have school to attend, with the Islanders as your task masters.

Stay tuned. Soon they're gonna give us a lesson on getting their absolute purple shit kicked in by the Lightning. Hell, they got their shit kicked in by the Penguins, but Tristian Jarry.

I don't understand how the boring ass Islanders, whose best finish in the last 37 years is the ECF (where they got their shit kicked in by the Lightning) continue to be the absolute gold standard for our rebuild, when the Lightning and Avalanche have been historically good with wheeling dealing skill teams.

Yes, they can also grind, but the foundation is talent. For the Islanders, the foundation is giving up 45 shots and putting people to sleep. We did that and didn't win a Cup doing it.

I can deal with takes I don't agree with but this Islanders obsession is exhausting. Go be an Islanders fan on the Islanders board. They're very nice people.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

After watching the Islanders impose their will on the Penguins, I would hope Drury & Co. took notes.

This was a clinic in how to compete and win in the playoffs by a team that is purpose built.

And as recent evidence would suggest, the Rangers in their present form, have no hope of emulating.

Get busy Rangers. You have school to attend, with the Islanders as your task masters.

It's somewhat shocking to me that two people can watch the same thing and come out with such differing views. The Islanders were outplayed in basically every game in that series (I missed the first one so will take a mulligan there if I'm wrong).

If anything, I feel the Rangers have a lot to look forward to with two aging teams in the Pens and Isles who seem that they are doing what they can to compete with a team that is just not that good.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Stay tuned. Soon they're gonna give us a lesson on getting their absolute purple shit kicked in by the Lightning. Hell, they got their shit kicked in by the Penguins, but Tristian Jarry.

I don't understand how the boring ass Islanders, whose best finish in the last 37 years is the ECF (where they got their shit kicked in by the Lightning) continue to be the absolute gold standard for our rebuild, when the Lightning and Avalanche have been historically good with wheeling dealing skill teams.

Yes, they can also grind, but the foundation is talent. For the Islanders, the foundation is giving up 45 shots and putting people to sleep. We did that and didn't win a Cup doing it.

I can deal with takes I don't agree with but this Islanders obsession is exhausting. Go be an Islanders fan on the Islanders board. They're very nice people.

The obsession stems from them having Trotz land in their laps. The only major differences between us and them, at this point, is that they're well-coached and more experienced. Aside from that, I agree with everything you said.

 

[Machinehead]

If we wanna take notes on something, Tampa vs Florida was a case-study in a team that grinds to score vs a team that gets in random scrums to do tuffnuss for the sake of it.

Which one are we gonna be?

 

[rangers1314]

 

[True Blue]

I'm actually pretty satisfied with the explanations for each of his firings. Not saying that it should be swept under the rug when considering him, but I think I come up short of calling it a red flag at this point.

As verified by Doug McLean, who is close friends with Dale Tallon; in Florida, Gallant was getting texts during games from a minority owner and their analytics guy telling him what lines to play. The team wasn't a top analytic team, so I guess they thought it was justifed. But they were middle of the road analytically while winning their division in his second season. Having somebody telling you how to deploy your lines during a game is f***ing nonsense, and I have a hard time blaming him for butting heads in that scenario.

Vegas, I feel we don't know as much about. It could have been as simple as a new GM wanting to bring in his guy, and jumping on a stretch of poor goaltending as an excuse. But based on an interview I seen with Gallant, I think it's more likely that he shared his opinions with management too freely and without enough tact.

If you want a guy who is going to defer to Drury and follow along with management's plans, then I can see how there would maybe be some concern.

Personally, I don't care about that in the least. If anything, give me the guy who may insulate our players from the clusterf*** that has been our front office this year. We have the horses that we're going to win with already. I want the guy who is going to rally the lockerroom and give the kids space and confidence to be aggressive.

All that said, I won't be upset if we go with Sullivan. But Gallant just feels right for this group.. imo.

I get it. IF that is the case in Florida, I can understand it. But there is stull Columbus. And the Vegas thing really holds no water. Who is going to use a bad stretch of poor goaltending to get rid of a coach DURING the season when the team is in first place? One whose team went to the Cup Finals 2.5 years ago? Something does not add up.

But different strokes from different folks I guess. Clearly, unless a Sullivan is fired, Gallant may well be the cream of the crop of what is available (with experience, that is). Unless Drury wants to reach into his own past and go after a Hartley. For me, I really do not want a young, building team to have to go through 3 coaches in 4 years.

 

[Levitate]

Stay tuned. Soon they're gonna give us a lesson on getting their absolute purple shit kicked in by the Lightning. Hell, they got their shit kicked in by the Penguins, but Tristian Jarry.

I don't understand how the boring ass Islanders, whose best finish in the last 37 years is the ECF (where they got their shit kicked in by the Lightning) continue to be the absolute gold standard for our rebuild, when the Lightning and Avalanche have been historically good with wheeling dealing skill teams.

Yes, they can also grind, but the foundation is talent. For the Islanders, the foundation is giving up 45 shots and putting people to sleep. We did that and didn't win a Cup doing it.

I can deal with takes I don't agree with but this Islanders obsession is exhausting. Go be an Islanders fan on the Islanders board. They're very nice people.

it's cuz they're in the same division and same geographic area and people are stuck on the idea that the Islanders ended the Rangers playoff hopes by being a big tough playoff team

there's little point in trying to model your team after the Islanders unless your coach is also Barry Trotz.