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Speculation: Roster Building Thread IV (2021 Offseason) - Bob Dylan turns 80 & "The times they are a changing!"

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RGY said:
Probably won’t trade him. BUT, he has only 1 year left on his deal. They didnt give up a ton for him.

For what his salary is now with LAK retaining 50% I would give them (2) 3rds or a 3rd and B level prospect.
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rather just sign a ufa C. Covid fiat cap means some bargains
 
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Harbour Dog said:
If Sullivan becomes available, then I hope Drury does his due diligence on him; but all things being equal, I'd still rather Gallant.

Gallant strikes me as a guy who is likely to instill a winning culture, even if he isn't the one to be here when we win.
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I mean sullivan appears to be the guy who gets the most out of each different type of player. He worked well with crosby and malkin, helped get his mid tier guys to excel, and they play a heavy game even though theyre not really a big team.
The only reason they even lost was because jarry basically can't make saves.

I cant see how a back to back stanley cup winning coach cant instill a winning culture to a team that was pushing for the playoffs in the group of death.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
I mean sullivan appears to be the guy who gets the most out of each different type of player. He worked well with crosby and malkin, helped get his mid tier guys to excel, and they play a heavy game even though theyre not really a big team.
The only reason they even lost was because jarry basically can't make saves.

I cant see how a back to back stanley cup winning coach cant instill a winning culture to a team that was pushing for the playoffs in the group of death.
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He probably could. I would just personally feel safer with Gallant.

We don't really know what Sullivan is going to look like for a group of guys that don't have an identity already. Pittsburgh had Crosby and Malkin, and they already knew how to win. Our current lockerroom situation is much closer to what Vegas was as an expansion team than what Sullivan started with in Pittsburgh.

I think either guy will get us to take steps in the right direction, moreso than the rest of the avilable coaches. I just feel there is a little more risk with Sullivan.
 
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RGY said:
I dont see what bargains would be better than Jeff Carter for 3C with what he is making. He can still skate. He can still shoot the puck. He was PKing for Sullivan. Would love to have him.
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Would have to trade for him. He's signed for another year.
 
RGY said:
I dont see what bargains would be better than Jeff Carter for 3C with what he is making. He can still skate. He can still shoot the puck. He was PKing for Sullivan. Would love to have him.
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doesn’t Carter still have a no trade ?
Danault , Cizikas come to mind
I’m fine w going the sane top 3 C and move Rooney to the wing so he can still pk

I could see one of Strome or Chytil going
Will be interesting
 
The real question is when does Larry start writing articles about how “great of a fit” Sullivan would be for this team?

Meanwhile we’ve been talking about potentially having Sullivan as the next coach for 6 months
 
Vitto79 said:
doesn’t Carter still have a no trade ?
Danault , Cizikas come to mind
I’m fine w going the sane top 3 C and move Rooney to the wing so he can still pk
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I believe he does, but if Carter was willing to waive to go to PIT, NY and MSG isn’t that much farther. Good travel schedule, better than the West.

I would rather Carter than Danault and Cizikas, especially for 3C. Even with having to trade something for him. He will be a much cheaper salary than Danault while providing leadership and a winning pedigree. Cizikas would be fine for the 4th line, but I would rather Goodrow and Coleman there. I really dont want to see Rooney and the other AHL fodder on our 4th line next season. There will be plenty of better options out there.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
The real question is when does Larry start writing articles about how “great of a fit” Sullivan would be for this team?

Meanwhile we’ve been talking about potentially having Sullivan as the next coach for 6 months
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Can already see the headlines:

Rangers owe it to themselves to see if Sullivan is available.

Sullivan emerges as front runner as Gallant eyes Seattle job

Rangers trust gut in going with Gallant

Rangers choosing Gallent over Sullivan raises questions as slide continues

Gallant Deserves Vote of Confidence

Rangers Make Right Call in Firing Gallant​

The dates and names are subject to change, but Larry knows how to hold his audience. Can't take that away from him.
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Everything else? He's an elite forechecker -- not because he stands at the high circle and tries to catch lobs... He spends a lot of time in the corners. And he closes in on the net. He doesn't just float on the perimeter, he constantly tries to push defensive structures inward and collapse them.



Well, like I say, I get what you're saying--we just don't have very similar evaluations of Thomas, Chytil, or roles.

To me, Thomas is not a maybe center, nor is Chytil. They're also not competing for second line center, they're both vying for two top six center positions. One would play with Panarin, is that the 1C? Do they both need to play on the PP? I see Chytil as having much more potential as a penalty killer than as a power play guy. So each could be getting top 6 mins at 5v5 with one playing each side of special teams.

Once again, to me, adding Thomas is also a move made in preparation for trading Zibanejad and Strome. So maybe instead of finding a top six center that will cost a premium, (whether in trade or in cap space--or both), you pay that premium in the bottom six on deals that you can match up with bridges for Thomas and Chytil.

Yes, Thomas will cost a lot. I would think maybe Kravtsov + a D prospect. But what can you get back for Zibanejad? Strome? You can recoup some of those futures.

Of course it's not 'realistic' but for instance what about something like this:

Panarin - Chytil - Buchnevich
Lafreniere - Thomas - Kakko
Kreider - Kadri - Barron
Crouse - Cizikas - Gauthier/Howden

Thomas for Kravtsov
Kadri + futures for Zibanejad
Crouse for Strome
Sign Cizakas at a premium for 3 years, say 3X3.5
Sign Chytil at a low rate for 4 years, say 4X4
Sign Thomas at a bridge for 2 years, 2/3.5
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Futures in that Kadri deal better be Newhook
 
RGY said:
I believe he does, but if Carter was willing to waive to go to PIT, NY and MSG isn’t that much farther. Good travel schedule, better than the West.

I would rather Carter than Danault and Cizikas, especially for 3C. Even with having to trade something for him. He will be a much cheaper salary than Danault while providing leadership and a winning pedigree. Cizikas would be fine for the 4th line, but I would rather Goodrow and Coleman there. I really dont want to see Rooney and the other AHL fodder on our 4th line next season. There will be plenty of better options out there.
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I find myself disagreeing with myself with the make -up of our current roster.

For the longest, I always felt signing UFA’s to fill out a 4th line was idiotic and a waste of money. Yet, after seeing how pathetic our 4th line has been, I realized we don’t necessarily have the internal assets to ice a 4th line that can help the team in areas it’s lacking.

Agree with you on Goodrow. But I think he’ll get better offers as far as salary and term and will sign elsewhere.

Barron is a lock on our 4th line imo next year. In the short sample size we saw of him, he already stood out, and in a good way. Barron has shown me more in his 5 NHL career games than Howden has in 178 career games. And every time I think about some of the good qualities Quinn has as a coach, I remember how this horses ass utilized Howden and it makes me despise him even more.

Upgrading Howden > Barron. Adding a veteran C and LD. And sprinkle in a full offseason of normal training and we’re a playoff team next season.

I still think we need a legit, long term answer as a checking Center. There aren’t many better options than Danault who’s talented enough to play in the top-6. A guy like Bonino is also another interesting option but he’s well over 30 and sucks offensively.

I think there will be more players available were unaware of that could be good additions. This off-season is going to be batshit crazy, imo. Let’s hope Drury nails it.
 
kovazub94 said:
As in less concerns about 30+ yo “blocking” / taking ice time away from one of our 20-yo’s?
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I’m honestly amazed that this narrative is still being pushed. Did this simply just not happen in your world with Blackwell last season?

Also, I could be wrong, but most here seem to be advocating for swapping Strome with a (potentially older) player who does things other than score points. Who here is trying to bring in 30 year olds to continue to keep Lafreniere, Kakko, and Kravtsov off the PP and out of the top 6/9?
 
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