Have a hard time seeing ROR getting moved. Have a harder time seeing Drury move the necessary assets for a player under contract for just two more years.
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I honestly don't know if he's available beyond just what I've seen come in third-party speculation lately.
But I suspect the Drury and the Rangers might be willing to make that move if it were to ever become a real possibility.
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I understand your points here, and @Edge's as well. I just disagree with the notion that Robert Thomas more redundant on this roster than adding/filling a certain role. Yes, he's a young center who hasn't yet 'broken out' in a top 6 role--and that does add an element of chance or uncertainty to a roster already packed with question marks.
On the other hand, I don't see at all any comparison between Chytil and Thomas for instance aside from their age and position. Thomas is a high-skill player, but so is like Brayden Point or Matt Barzal who are much closer comps as far which skills in particular you're talking about with Thomas. To me Chytil and Lundell would be more redundant than Chytil and Thomas.
Acquiring Thomas will come with a price, but it also sets in motion trading Zibanejad and/or Strome (personally, I think it should be both). So you can move those two for something closer to what you're hoping we add: a shut-down, veteran, known commodity at center. Of course it all implies moving parts, but what can I say, it's a message board
I mean to me Chytil and Thomas are similar in that they're both potential top-six centers who lend themselves more towards the high skill game than the two-way side of things. Having high skill guys on your roster is an absolute must. Having the same type of guy at center on 3 of your 4 lines isn't ideal, in my opinion. Lundell is an excellent two-way center. He's also very much a shoot-first center as opposed to a pass-first center. He's the kind of guy who can chip in offense and match up against the opposing teams best players. I don't see that from Thomas or Chytil even at their most favorable projections.
I mean if you're trading Zib that drastically alters the landscape. You're only trading Zib in the case of having another top line center in the fold. So an Eichel, Hertl, someone like that. So in that case you could very well be moving Chytil out in that trade and thus Thomas coming in to back fill would be just fine. Very much in the same way that we've kicked around an Eichel deal preceding Zib to Vegas for Krebs or Glass. In those scenarios I could absolutely see it making sense.
That being said I think those scenarios are a long shot. I have a hard time seeing us going after Eichel with all the question marks out there now. I think the team will take the "devil you know" road and just opt to giving Zib an extension and possibly giving Chytil a bigger role. Buch goes for a more known quantity that can slot in on the 3rd line and Strome either gets traded for some futures and flexibility or he bumps out to the wing.
No harm in disagreeing though. You make a solid argument.
This is the way I see it as well. There’s going to be options. Tampa is going to have to deal Cirelli to resign point. Plain and simple. I’m sure we’ll be in on him, but I’m also sure they will want Chytil as a piece of the return. It’s really going to sting to watch him go there and thrive, but I think that would have to be a move the rangers make. Tampa’s days of manipulating the cap are coming to an end. No way they deal Johnson, palat, and Killorn that quick. They are going to obviously keep Point, Sergachev, and Cernak so it’s pretty obvious Cirelli is the one on the way out with enough value to bring back good young cheap pieces. Teams would be lining up to trade for him. I think a deal around Chytil+ Robertson/Jones gets it done but man i hate to give that to Tampa with all the history between us. You just know the 2-3 pieces we trade the are going to go there and thrive
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A. Depends on how one defines scraps (vs. excess) and B. How serious Blues are about moving him (due to being disappointed with his development). If they are serious then Howden & Hajek would be a good base to start.
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As in less concerns about 30+ yo “blocking” / taking ice time away from one of our 20-yo’s?
I really liked Cirelli as a potential piece in the McDonagh trade and think he's a quality player but I think his market value might be getting pumped a bit. IF he gets dealt, I think the Lightning are going to fleece a team on him the way the Pens got a haul for Jordan Staal. Granted the Staal return turned into a bit of meh for the Pens but that was a hefty price at the time. Staal is a really solid player but he never took that big step forward offensively with Carolina that they were betting on after he had a great year when Crosby was out. I can see a similar situation happening with Cirelli.
I don't always make trade proposals, but when I do, they're never at all gesturing towards what will likely happen.
I think the game is moving away from traditional scorers/checkers dichotomies. I also dont worry so much about a 'top line' center with Panarin in the fold. Vegas doesnt seem to be struggling with Stephenson on the top line.
Thanks for the dialogue though. Always better to get a sense of how we each view players/rosters/roles/etc when theres room for earnest and respectful disagreement.
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Would be funny as O’Reilly was drafted by Colorado as the spiritual successor to Drury
Love goodrow for 4th. Wonder what it would take to get Jarnkrok and Elkhom out of Nashville?
LaF-Zibby-buch
Panarin-Chytil-kakko
Kreider-Jarnkrok-Kravtsov
Goodrow-Rooney-Barron
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Keeps robertson and Schneider on heavy minutes in Hartford for maybe a year, insults Barron who IMO is destined for 3rd wing or C duty. It also delays our decisions on whether to give Zibby a massive extension and the trading of Buchnevich til at least the trade deadline. Most 2 notable guys gone are strome and Georgiev
in from trade Jarnkrok and Ekholm
From UFA Goodrow
From farm Lundkvist
Other options are trading for guys like Andrew Copp, Derek Ryan, Ryan Grant, Ryan Hartman, Lawson Crouse, etc most would require a little overpay to get
I don’t think the rangers make a so called “blockbuster” Deal at draft or before the season. Too many balls up in the air still.
I do think a trade for a Dvorak, Larkin, Cirelli, ROR, etc type player is coming sooner rather then later. But I also think they want a little more time with a normal camp and normal preparation to evaluate the guys we have before shipping them out.
The line up above keeps us competitive and extends management timeline a little bit. There are no earth shattering trades it would take to acquire those 2 from Nashville, and goodrow will get a raise, but nothing that’s eye-poppingly insane.
There are cheaper unknown alternatives like Krebs and Lundell, but both those guys are going to cost a pretty penny and there is no guarantees of what they will become, I think they both turn out to be good solid players at the nhl level, but I am not familiar enough with either player to say that they will or won’t be a sure thing as a number 2C
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As in "they won't be around when the window is open"
As if the window will open by itself.
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Meant in terms of cap space
Panarin, Trouba, Kreider and Lindgren in total are at 29.1M in cap space for not only this summer, but next two if not moved. And all have clause except Lindgren.
This summer fill in the cap space blanks
Shesty
Chytil
Buch if they extend
~2.4M in buy out space too with ADA
Next summer assume those are all still here fill in these blanks
Zbad
Strome
Fox
Kakko
Krav
So even assuming they move on from Buch, Strome, that is still a ton of cap space (~60M)
used on a small amount of players. (9-10)
Then even beyond that summer
Laff, Miller, Jones need new deals
There is some room for a player who carries a relatively high cap hit
(6-8M), yet that likely means several, like 8 or 10 players who carry ~1M cap hits throughout all that.
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I can appreciate that take. That being said I don't really see a guy like Lundell as a checking center. More Ryan O'Reilly but with a shooters mentality.
I do agree that with the right group of wingers you can get away with less down the middle. Not sure I see the Rangers heading that direction though.
Great post!
STL also got Klim Kostin coming in, who I think many sees as a natural center.
I definitely agree with you on the need of getting someone like Thomas. Get him, lock him up long term and play him with Panarin, and you will really like those moves down the road.
Sooo Sullivan and Jeff Carter... I am all for it. Carter as the 3C. Takes care of that spot. Then look to upgrade the 2C slot and 4th line.
Probably won’t trade him. BUT, he has only 1 year left on his deal. They didnt give up a ton for him.
For what his salary is now with LAK retaining 50% I would give them (2) 3rds or a 3rd and B level prospect.
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I like Thomas and would be happy to acquire him for this team. He absolutely brings a skill set that’s different from the current u22 players we have, to me that’s the foundation of future success anyway. He’s a righty shot, goes to the middle of the ice consistently and decent wheels. Much more likely to play C than Chytil. I love Chytil and wanted him at C, but he looks to be more of a JT Miller type of center, aka a winger. Thomas is also a proven winner, U20 gold winner with Canada, memorial cup winner, and Stanley Cup winner already as well. Sign me up.
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