Roster Building Thread IV (2019/2020)

[Kupo]

Well, then good luck to that disgrace of a front office. Let them move on with missing the playoffs 12 out of the last 13 years staring them in the face.

Edmonton’s front office and organization certainly deserves its share of criticism, but assuming that’s a good trade for them is foolish.

Not sure what you’re thinking here bud.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

So let’s suppose there are legs to the rumor that Edmonton wants Kreider. The presumed deal would likely involve something like Kreider for Gagner firstly to match the salaries (somewhat) so that Kreider fits in regarding the cap. But what would/could Edmonton have to add to make this come to fruition? Hypothetically - of course

There is nothing on that roster that would make me want to trade krieder there. Unless they will get up an unprotected 1st... or a possible 2nd line center and a 2nd/3rd then we can get that at the deadline.

Lemieux will sign at under 1m aav.

And DeAngelo I'm happy to give him a 1 year show me contract and use the money from krieders contract being moved to sign DeAngelo to a 3 year deal af 2.5m aav.

 

[Avery16]

There’s no way Edmonton is a destination for Kreider. They’d only want to add him as a pending UFA if they were going for a Cup, and they will not be. They’d only want him otherwise if he signed first, and he wouldn’t do that to facilitate a trade to Edmonton. Hence, kreider will not be traded to Edmonton.

 

[Ola]

I just believe the organization is bigger than the player. The players come and go but the team stays here.

I know and I was mostly joking.

I think we all have certain things that tics us off, and other things we stay more level headed about. For some it’s a Tanner Glass, for some it’s Girardi, for some it’s Shatty, TDA, Zucc and the likes. Comes with the territory I guess.

On this topic, I feel that sometimes we — end up — trying to find sacrificing goats, basically, to get out of a bind. And often we turn to the kid that doesn’t have the right pedigree (TDA, Zucc and Stralsy). I am not so sure how accurate that decision making is.

Gorton IMO took a big gamble not buying out Smith and Staal and locking up these kids at a huge discount long term, buying us many many million of cap spaces yearly for many years to come. They have zero leverage. Give TDA 3,75m for 6 years, what is he going to do? It’s what the other successful organizations are doing.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Edmonton’s front office and organization certainly deserves its share of criticism, but assuming that’s a good trade for them is foolish.

Not sure what you’re thinking here bud.

I’m looking for a 1st Rounder for Kreider bud. Fans were posting about Edmonton and not other teams

 

[RangerBoy]

Deangelo still has maturity issues.

February 2019

David Quinn then told The Post that DeAngelo was sitting because of “a maturity issue” related to an episode that occurred during last Tuesday’s match against the Flyers. This was a behavioral, rather than a hockey, matter.

“He and I have talked about it and are working on it,” the coach said. “He’s too good to let maturity issues get in the way of him becoming the kind of player he can be. It’s something he needs to work on and we need to help him with.”On Saturday, Quinn talked about focusing on the “big picture” as it relates to DeAngelo. He also said he thought the righty defenseman was “in the best place he’s been mentally” in the wake of several conversations between the men. Scratches, thus, perhaps as an intervention?

DeAngelo said the subject of visiting with a sports psychologist had been broached during discussions with management people, but that he is not seeing one at this point. “I’ve been through that, Tampa had someone, there was someone in Arizona, there was someone in the Soo [OHL Sault Ste. Marie]. I’ve talked to so many different people that at this point I don’t think that’s the way to go.

Trouble just seems to follow him.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/04/how-tony-deangelo-is-getting-help-to-tackle-his-maturity-issue/

March 2019

EDMONTON, Alberta — Tony DeAngelo insisted “no explanation [was] needed” for him being a healthy scratch Monday night against the Oilers.

The Rangers defenseman had been solid while playing 17 straight games since he was last in street clothes for a pair of games due to what coach David Quinn termed a “maturity issue,” but just over a month later, he was back to playing spectator.

“I don’t make those choices,” DeAngelo said after skating in the morning. “Obviously still some stuff to work on, so kind of a little reset, hopefully get back in soon.”

Asked if DeAngelo understands the message when he’s out, Quinn replied, “I’ll let you know in about three weeks.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/12/tony-deangelo-needs-no-explanation-for-benching/

Dave Maloney has a game podcast with John Giannone. A couple of times during the season they discussed Tony. Maloney said Tony is a talented guy but there comes a point in time when it's not worth the trouble. The Rangers can't worry about Tony being in the right frame of mind. They have so many other players and issues to worry about. He is not that good of a player.

In early August, Tony liked a tweet on twitter about his contract and then deleted it.

The Rangers management saw that. What was their reaction?

The Rangers aren't sold on him. The Rangers traded essentially two second round picks to acquire Adam Fox when they could have waited until August 2020 to sign Fox as a free agent. They have the same skillset.

Tony was a healthy scratch 21 times last season. That's crazy. He doesn't get it.

 

[RangerBoy]

I know and I was mostly joking.

I think we all have certain things that tics us off, and other things we stay more level headed about. For some it’s a Tanner Glass, for some it’s Girardi, for some it’s Shatty, TDA, Zucc and the likes. Comes with the territory I guess.

On this topic, I feel that sometimes we — end up — trying to find sacrificing goats, basically, to get out of a bind. And often we turn to the kid that doesn’t have the right pedigree (TDA, Zucc and Stralsy). I am not so sure how accurate that decision making is.

Gorton IMO took a big gamble not buying out Smith and Staal and locking up these kids at a huge discount long term, buying us many many million of cap spaces yearly for many years to come. They have zero leverage. Give TDA 3,75m for 6 years, what is he going to do? It’s what the other successful organizations are doing.

Gorton shouldn't have signed Shattenkirk and Smith. He trades Stepan for futures and uses that money on Shattenkirk. Gorton was trying to serve two masters. He did it again with Panarin and Trouba. We will see how those two players work out. He already had Staal signed for 4 more seasons when both of the D were signed in 2017. He made his job more complicated.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Deangelo still has maturity issues.

February 2019





Trouble just seems to follow him.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/04/how-tony-deangelo-is-getting-help-to-tackle-his-maturity-issue/

March 2019





https://nypost.com/2019/03/12/tony-deangelo-needs-no-explanation-for-benching/

Dave Maloney has a game podcast with John Giannone. A couple of times during the season they discussed Tony. Maloney said Tony is a talented guy but there comes a point in time when it's not worth the trouble. The Rangers can't worry about Tony being in the right frame of mind. They have so many other players and issues to worry about. He is not that good of a player.

In early August, Tony liked a tweet on twitter about his contract and then deleted it.

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The Rangers management saw that. What was their reaction?

The Rangers aren't sold on him. The Rangers traded essentially two second round picks to acquire Adam Fox when they could have waited until August 2020 to sign Fox as a free agent. They have the same skillset.

Tony was a healthy scratch 21 times last season. That's crazy. He doesn't get it.

What do you have against poor old Tony?

 

[RangerBoy]

Faulks a Goner.

Yep. Faulk will be traded. It's hard to make trades this time of year. They kept Ferland as a sell rental last year. They tried to trade him. Carolina tried to sign Faulk to an extension this summer. There are so many free agent D next summer. The cap isn't expected to increase that much again. Where are all of these players getting great deals?

Pietrangelo
Barrie
Spurgeon
Krug
Faulk
Brodie
Jost
Muzzin
Hamonic
Tanev
Vatanen
Schultz

 

[haohmaru]

Man, I don't think I've ever seen so much conversation about a guy that has yet to prove a whole lot at an NHL level that won't sign a qualifying offer.

RB does have a point - I mean, the guy probably played better than most expected but he was still scratched for almost a quarter of the season. Now, he's playing games and not signing a QO instead keeping things drama free and putting his feet to the floor and proving something.

The Rangers have options. Tony should tread lightly.

 

[eco's bones]

Deangelo still has maturity issues.

February 2019





Trouble just seems to follow him.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/04/how-tony-deangelo-is-getting-help-to-tackle-his-maturity-issue/

March 2019





https://nypost.com/2019/03/12/tony-deangelo-needs-no-explanation-for-benching/

Dave Maloney has a game podcast with John Giannone. A couple of times during the season they discussed Tony. Maloney said Tony is a talented guy but there comes a point in time when it's not worth the trouble. The Rangers can't worry about Tony being in the right frame of mind. They have so many other players and issues to worry about. He is not that good of a player.

In early August, Tony liked a tweet on twitter about his contract and then deleted it.

View attachment 253321

The Rangers management saw that. What was their reaction?

The Rangers aren't sold on him. The Rangers traded essentially two second round picks to acquire Adam Fox when they could have waited until August 2020 to sign Fox as a free agent. They have the same skillset.

Tony was a healthy scratch 21 times last season. That's crazy. He doesn't get it.

While there may be something to all this--Tony did make a lot of progress last year and IMO his attitude issues sometimes seem overblown. I do have the feeling the Rangers will eventually move on from him--maybe even this year but he's proven he's a legit NHL player now. There are some things he needs to improve--the main thing is to get better at defending. At least one of him or Fox are going to need to penalty kill this year and it would be better for Tony if he got in that rotation. That is an avenue to playing every game and also an avenue to becoming a 20 minute a night defenseman.

As far as the twitter about not accepting a million or less I don't see a big deal about that at all. Value wise he should be getting at the very least $1.5.

 

[Vitto79]

So the Perlini contract should show Lemieux he needs to sign before camp

 

[nyr2k2]

While there may be something to all this--Tony did make a lot of progress last year and IMO his attitude issues sometimes seem overblown. I do have the feeling the Rangers will eventually move on from him--maybe even this year but he's proven he's a legit NHL player now. There are some things he needs to improve--the main thing is to get better at defending. At least one of him or Fox are going to need to penalty kill this year and it would be better for Tony if he got in that rotation. That is an avenue to playing every game and also an avenue to becoming a 20 minute a night defenseman.

As far as the twitter about not accepting a million or less I don't see a big deal about that at all. Value wise he should be getting at the very least $1.5.

It's hard for me to believe questions of attitude or maturity are overblown when they've dogged him since before he could buy a pack of cigarettes. Trouble in junior hockey, TB drafts him and pretty quickly trades him for a lower pick, he has problems staying in the lineup in Arizona and Tucson, comes here runs into problems with two coaches. Each place, you hear reference to maturity, general attitude, commitment to working on his defense, etc. Maybe he is better now, but I think the concerns to this point have been valid. Way, way too much smoke for there to not be a fire with ADA.

I mean I hope he works it out, he'll be an excellent player if he can stay on the right side of the coaches and front office.

As far as the value, IDK. Based on how he played in the second half, he should probably be making over $2M. But, it's a small sample, and what he actually deserves at this point in his career contractually is going to be less than what he is as a player.

 

[GAGLine]

So the Perlini contract should show Lemieux he needs to sign before camp

Goldobin's contract too. I'm surprised Lemieux hasn't signed yet.

ADA needs to just sign the contract, play well and earn a better contract next year. It's pretty obvious at this point that we aren't going to clear any more cap space before the season starts.

 

[RGY]

Man, I don't think I've ever seen so much conversation about a guy that has yet to prove a whole lot at an NHL level that won't sign a qualifying offer.

RB does have a point - I mean, the guy probably played better than most expected but he was still scratched for almost a quarter of the season. Now, he's playing games and not signing a QO instead keeping things drama free and putting his feet to the floor and proving something.

The Rangers have options. Tony should tread lightly.

Its not that RBs points arent valid. Its that he keeps bringing them as if has some personal vendetta against him. The kid has talent. He has potential and finally last year that started to seep through with DQ as coach. Same happened with Buchnevich. We are not deep on RD no matter how many 2nds we traded for Fox. Fox is more of an unknown than DeAngelo and yet we are going to use trading him as the justification that ADA is now not part of the future plans? Lundkvist who is not playing here this year and likely not next year? Still hasnt played in North America. Keane still has a lot to prove before being taken seriously.

Just tired of reading about the attacks on DeAngelo. Teammates might love him but we are being force fed that he is a “problem” every other day. He isnt the only RFA unsigned. There are plenty around the league that will likely sign in the next week

 

[bbny]

Faulks a Goner.

Namestnikov for Faulk. Sign and trade DeAngelo. Problem solved.

 

[pld459666]

So let’s suppose there are legs to the rumor that Edmonton wants Kreider. The presumed deal would likely involve something like Kreider for Gagner firstly to match the salaries (somewhat) so that Kreider fits in regarding the cap. But what would/could Edmonton have to add to make this come to fruition? Hypothetically - of course

I would think that a (top 7) protected 1st in 2020 would HAVE to be part of the deal.

Not sure what else of value they would be willing to discuss

 

[pld459666]

Perlini signed his QO today. $874,125. The ball is in Tony's court.

What does Perlini have to do with ADA?

 

[nyr2k2]

What does Perlini have to do with ADA?

First round picks from the same draft class who probably "deserve" more than the $874K QO. The players are obviously different but their situations are very similar. Perlini finally bit the bullet at took the QO amount.

 

[pld459666]

First round picks from the same draft class who probably "deserve" more than the $874K QO. The players are obviously different but their situations are very similar. Perlini finally bit the bullet at took the QO amount.

I think ADA has been the better player at the pro level, so I can see why he'd want more.

I also think the maturity issues are way over stated (not necessarily by you).

I have 0 issues with these guys (ADA & Pepe Jr.) Looking to get paid.

I also have 0 issues with the Rangers holding firm on their position as well.

All in all, I think Pepe Jr. Has more to glean from the Perlini signing than ADA does.

 

[bbny]

I think ADA has been the better player at the pro level, so I can see why he'd want more.

I agree with this, so give him 950k as a show of good faith that he is better than a QO.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think ADA has been the better player at the pro level, so I can see why he'd want more.

I also think the maturity issues are way over stated (not necessarily by you).

I have 0 issues with these guys (ADA & Pepe Jr.) Looking to get paid.

I also have 0 issues with the Rangers holding firm on their position as well.

All in all, I think Pepe Jr. Has more to glean from the Perlini signing than ADA does.

Maybe. DeAngelo certainly was better last season in his limited time than Perlini has been in any of his three seasons, but Perlini HAS played three essentially full years of pretty good hockey. So I can see a case for Perlini over ADA.

But regardless, I think the point is that the guys coming off their ELC who received the minimum QO or thereabouts, they're not going to find much luck in looking for a bigger increase as most teams have other young players due for large pay days that they have to consider.

 

[pld459666]

I agree with this, so give him 950k as a show of good faith that he is better than a QO.

I'd give him a 1.25 show me deal

They are sending Beleskey down anyway.

It's not breaking the bank, its reflective of who he is today (a top 4 D with no leverage) and it's one year to allow him to prove hes more than just a marginal player with "maturity" issues

 

[nyr2k2]

I'd give him a 1.25 show me deal

They are sending Beleskey down anyway.

It's not breaking the bank, its reflective of who he is today (a top 4 D with no leverage) and it's one year to allow him to prove hes more than just a marginal player with "maturity" issues

I wouldn't have any problem offering him that.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Namestnikov for Faulk. Sign and trade DeAngelo. Problem solved.

It is only a problem if that trade is happening in NHL 20. Waddell will not trade Namestnikov for Faulk. While, I am not the biggest fan of Faulk he is still certainly worth much more than Namestnikov.

Additionally, for what Faulk would actually cost I'd absolutely rather take the risk with ADA than bring on Faulk. I have a feeling his skating is going to fall of a cliff in a year or two.