Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2021 Offseason) - “Simple Jack”, "Will over Skill", "Drury in a Hurry"?

[TheBloodyNine]

Truth.

I still just think Kakko + Miller for Barkov has the real potential of looking like a very bad trade for us given how young they are.

I guess gambling is part of it but that would hurt.

I would trade a lot for him with an extension but at the end of the day he’s a pending UFA. IF (big IF) he wants to leave that goes against his trade value. Not much but it should. A team isn’t going to expend crazy assets for him if they don’t think they can sign him long term. Drops the amount of potential suitors. If it’s as @bobbop has suggested (correct me if I’m wrong here bob) that he’s seeking a “bigger stage” than perennially empty sunrise Florida then that whittles it down again.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kakko+Miller is absurd, even with an extension.

I'd rather take my chances on him getting to UFA.

 

[Fitzy]

The reality is that this is one of the worst possible times to trade Kakko.

We all see him improving on a game to game basis but unless teams have been scouting him closely all they see is a guy who isn’t producing any offense yet.


Don’t sell low on players. Sell high on Buchnevich and or Strome instead

 

[CLW]

The overreaction would be looking at this team that played 5 of the worst teams in the league for 40/56 games and saying that they are in any way a legit team. Let’s see them not get to beat up on 5 bad teams for the vast majority of the season and then be competent in the playoffs first.

Florida played well against Tampa and Carolina in that division, can't ignore that. They took a huge leap but obviously didn't settle all their weaknesses in less than one season. They need better D, which will also help the goalies become more steady. Yandle needs to go etc, Ekblad was a two way monster before his injury. Offensively they are even better than Tampa 5 on 5, but Tampa have that obscene PP, much better defensive structure plus the edge in playoff experience AND an overcap bonus.

Edit: No doubt Q and Zito will keep getting rid of the deadwood in the offseason and bring in real players.

 

[MrAlmost]

What about a guy like Marcus Foligno? Would he be available first off, and second what would be the cost? He's signed for a few years @3.1.

This is where my head is at. The Wild and the Rangers match up trade wise. Foligno and Soucy are intriguing. Then sign Nick and a center. A man can dream.

 

[BroadwayHustle]

It really sucks that Buch basically has to be moved to give minutes to younger wingers and help add a missing dimension to the team since he has the best value. He really should be part of the solution.

I really love how the hurricane forwards are built, but hilarious that Skjei is now playing on their top pair with Slavin out and he has performed from what I have seen...not sure what the analytics say.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Florida played well against Tampa and Carolina in that division, can't ignore that. They took a huge leap but obviously didn't settle all their weaknesses in less than one season. They need better D, which will also help the goalies become more steady. Yandle needs to go etc, Ekblad was a two way monster before his injury. Offensively they are even better than Tampa 5 on 5, but Tampa have that obscene PP, much better defensive structure plus the edge in playoff experience AND an overcap bonus.

Edit: No doubt Q and Zito will keep getting rid of the deadwood in the offseason and bring in real players.

Sure, I'll give them that, but that represented a sum total of 16 of their games. They will be back to a bubble team next season.

 

[bobbop]

I would trade a lot for him with an extension but at the end of the day he’s a pending UFA. IF (big IF) he wants to leave that goes against his trade value. Not much but it should. A team isn’t going to expend crazy assets for him if they don’t think they can sign him long term. Drops the amount of potential suitors. If it’s as @bobbop has suggested (correct me if I’m wrong here bob) that he’s seeking a “bigger stage” than perennially empty sunrise Florida then that whittles it down again.

I don’t know that but I’m speculating that if he doesn’t want to sign an extension this summer, he’s thinking bigger stage.

 

[leetch99]

Drinking early today? If all the ifs and buts were candy and nuts. Sorry you are off base. First of all Tony was/is a train wreck that caused havoc in the locker room. Like a dreaded disease they had to get rid of him. A full year of him would have been a disaster. Second if the last 3 weeks of the season showed us anything is that we could not compete with the big boys (Wash, Pitt, Isles and Bruins). This club did not have the make up to do so and if you don't see that then you are missing the boat.

If you don't think a full year of Tony , before he went off the rails and Panarin and a new coach would not have made any difference...well....I am far from alone on that boat matey !

We got caught in a perfect storm....it's not as bad as it seems . Without Trouba -Lindgren-Kreider and the trading of Lemieux....we were undermanned for sure but with them and the two others in their right frame of mind ..... we would have been in those games and have made it much more of a playoff race .

Entering the season nobody knew what the team would be facing and or could have predicted the amount of adversity we faced and or the injuries we endured along the way to key people . With a few tweaks for next season and the emergence of some kids and a new coach in place and a full camp.....we'll be in the mix .

 

[leetch99]

Draft a center
Trade for a center.
Sign a center.
Start thinking about extending a center.

Our next two first rounders and Lundkvist +Buch+ Jones for Crosby . Move Strome & sign Mika . Have Penguins eat some salary . Go for Crosby !!! He buys us time for Barron to move up as well as Chytil to improve . Playing with a guy like Crosby boosts the play of a LOT of our kids . We lose Buch and Strome and gain Crosby . Penguins have to get younger and add to their cupboards and will do so with 5 NHL players in that deal and 3 of them better than average for sure . How they draft will be up to them .

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I want to resign Z and Buch long term.

If they keep Buchnevich, they’ll have to move Kravtsov or Chytil for sure maybe Kakko. They’re worth more in trades than on our bottom 6 I would assume

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Our next two first rounders and Lundkvist +Buch+ Jones for Crosby . Move Strome & sign Mika . Have Penguins eat some salary . Go for Crosby !!! He buys us time for Barron to move up as well as Chytil to improve . Playing with a guy like Crosby boosts the play of a LOT of our kids . We lose Buch and Strome and gain Crosby . Penguins have to get younger and add to their cupboards and will do so with 5 NHL players in that deal and 3 of them better than average for sure . How they draft will be up to them .

For so many reasons, this is never happening.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The overreaction would be looking at this team that played 5 of the worst teams in the league for 40/56 games and saying that they are in any way a legit team. Let’s see them not get to beat up on 5 bad teams for the vast majority of the season and then be competent in the playoffs first.

No the overreaction would be dismantling a team that is getting beat by the best team in the league without knowing how they stack up against the rest of the league. Even worse than that is the assumption they'd wanna deal one of the best parts of the team because they can't beat Tampa. Im sure there could be moves but why would they move Barkov? Is it because we need a center like him? I think thats the only reason he's being discussed.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If you don't think a full year of Tony , before he went off the rails and Panarin and a new coach would not have made any difference...well....I am far from alone on that boat matey !

We got caught in a perfect storm....it's not as bad as it seems . Without Trouba -Lindgren-Kreider and the trading of Lemieux....we were undermanned for sure but with them and the two others in their right frame of mind ..... we would have been in those games and have made it much more of a playoff race .

Entering the season nobody knew what the team would be facing and or could have predicted the amount of adversity we faced and or the injuries we endured along the way to key people . With a few tweaks for next season and the emergence of some kids and a new coach in place and a full camp.....we'll be in the mix .

Tony was ass since before the bubble.

 

[leetch99]

For so many reasons, this is never happening.

...and why not ? Every player can be traded . We have the assets a rebuilding club would want . Penguins eventually will move him and he will ask at some point . He is not going to play his last 4-5 seasons on a loser . So....what are the " so many reasons " that you are surmising on ?

 

[leetch99]

Tony was ass since before the bubble.

Ok...again...why did Gorton sign him then and for almost 10 Million...was he an ass as well ?

 

[huerter]

The reality is that this is one of the worst possible times to trade Kakko.

We all see him improving on a game to game basis but unless teams have been scouting him closely all they see is a guy who isn’t producing any offense yet.


Don’t sell low on players. Sell high on Buchnevich and or Strome instead

Who are some players who were sold high?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No the overreaction would be dismantling a team that is getting beat by the best team in the league without knowing how they stack up against the rest of the league. Even worse than that is the assumption they'd wanna deal one of the best parts of the team because they can't beat Tampa. Im sure there could be moves but why would they move Barkov? Is it because we need a center like him? I think thats the only reason he's being discussed.

I said absolutely nothing about Barkov in my quote to you. I'm sure their intentions are to sign him. I'm just pointing out that this is essential the same Panthers team that was disappointing last season, and the only difference is that they didn't play a full season and they played 71% of their games against bad teams. So you're making my argument for me by saying "seeing how they stack up against the rest of the league." At this point you cannot take their play this season at face value and have to look at it in the context of this is not reality as far as seasons go. Next season they will play 82 games against the entire league.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

...and why not ? Every player can be traded . We have the assets a rebuilding club would want . Penguins eventually will move him and he will ask at some point . He is not going to play his last 4-5 seasons on a loser . So....what are the " so many reasons " that you are surmising on ?

1. Crosby isn't being traded from Pittsburgh
1a. Ownership is never authorizing him to be traded
1b. He has a full NMC and doesn't want to be traded
1c. He will retire as a career Penguin
2. Even if he was being traded there's a zero percent chance it's to the Rangers, a division and perennial rival.
3. That price you want to trade for a 34 year old Crosby is ridiculous.

 

[leetch99]

@KreiderBomb .....Tony was part of the 20-21 plans by the Ranger brass or he would not have been signed . Guys that are asses are NOT signed ....it's that SIMPLE ! Nobody knew that on ice incident was going to happen....NOBODY...not even the GM Gorton and certainly not you by any means . It's easy to make the calls after stuff happens.....internet armchair experts .

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I said absolutely nothing about Barkov in my quote to you. I'm sure their intentions are to sign him. I'm just pointing out that this is essential the same Panthers team that was disappointing last season, and the only difference is that they didn't play a full season and they played 71% of their games against bad teams. So you're making my argument for me by saying "seeing how they stack up against the rest of the league." At this point you cannot take their play this season at face value and have to look at it in the context of this is not reality as far as seasons go. Next season they will play 82 games against the entire league.

Im talking about Barkov so i dont know why you quoted me then.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Everyone is talking Coleman, Goodrow, Martinook and rightfully so why not Brock McGinn who is younger at 27 and would be another good option.

Trade for Faksa someone with bite and faceoff ability is one of the issues I’d fix is faceoff % via help from the coach, UFA, trade with someone who is a fit for this young team, not a retirement contract or vet.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Im talking about Barkov so i dont know why you quoted me then.

You were talking about how it was an overreaction to say they weren't that good. I explained to you why it wasn't.

 

[jay from jersey]

I dont know what you are hearing but I worked in real estate for over a decade and many of my friends still work in real estate. I have a few friends that can't process loans fast enough and they are throwing money at experienced processors because there is such a shortage.

Anyways i speak to them regularly and they tell me how many people are leaving NY and NJ and almost all of the people moving down south say the same thing. Over reaching government and taxes.

Yea my brothers a realtor in NJ. He can’t keep a house for more then a week. Some are offering above asking price just to get the deal done. NY has to get its act together. I don’t know anyone that left that plans on going back

 

[jay from jersey]

Portland & San Francisco

Went to San Fran about 15 years ago. It’s a beautiful city. I returned about 3 years ago for business. The homeless population is out of control and the amount of garbage and human waste I saw in the streets was disgusting. It’s a real shame what they did to that city