Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2019/2020) - Tick Tock

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Yes by doing different things and that was refreshing.

You can't honestly tell me the summer of 2019 wasn't right out of the late 00's, early 2010's.

Are you comparing Trouba to Redden?

As for Panarin, the closest comp is Gaborik, and he had a reputation as "glassman" even before he got here (and still wound up being by far the best UFA signing the team's had since... I don't know when).

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yes by doing different things and that was refreshing.

You can't honestly tell me the summer of 2019 wasn't right out of the late 00's, early 2010's.

If they didn’t get the 2 OA I would agree with you.

 

[Fitzy]

Trouba has never been on the top pair even on his own team.

Maybe not formally, but he has logged the 2nd most minutes per game each season of the last 3, and was 3rd 4 years ago.

 

[Machinehead]

And Evgeni Malkin is a career 2nd line player...

If you watched the Jets (yes, your favorite argument) the last couple seasons, you'd know Morrissey-Trouba was the top-pair, the pair that did the yeoman's work defensively at ES for Paul Maurice.

We don't have Morrissey. We have Staal and Skjei.

We're throwing Trouba into the same situation we threw Shattenkirk into even after buying out Shattenkirk because that didn't work.

 

[MikeSteaks]

Quit your crying boy.

 

[Fitzy]

I wasn't a big favorite of the Panarin signing and am particularly puzzled at the fact management hasn't been able to piece together a reasonable enough return for Kreider to allow us to maneuver out of this pinch with the RFAs.

That said, the degree to which NYR have 'depth' this season is going to be 100% contingent on how many rookies and young players (Fox, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Hajek, Rykov) are able to improve and push veteran players down the roster.

In an ideal world, you can have Staal in the press box and a 4th line of Namestnikov-Strome-Fast if everything pans out. That's pretty good.

 

[Tawnos]

Never said they couldn't transition. My concern is that they're spending money on things they don't need because they can. We've seen Dolan ruin about six rebuilds doing that with his other team.

Do top teams not need a 1RD and a 1LW?

Also, Dolan has been the owner of the team for a total of ONE rebuild (this is the second)

 

[Machinehead]

If they didn’t get the 2 OA I would agree with you.

Sure, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what management is doing. They were gifted that pick.

Unless you're implying that Kakko has sped things up significantly in which case, we better f***ing do something about our center depth.

We can't make "speed-up" moves and then continue to sit around. It's one or the other. And I get that there's still time but there isn't a whole lot of money.

I feel like we just moved what would have been Hayes' overpayment to RD.

 

[TheDirtyH]

American defensemen suck

Where's Tony from again?

 

[Machinehead]

Do top teams not need a 1RD and a 1LW?

Also, Dolan has been the owner of the team for a total of ONE rebuild (this is the second)

We have Kakko, Kravtsov, and Kreider. Panarin was a luxury.

But again, I'm not that against the Panarin signing because he's legitimately elite. Trouba is not.

 

[EpicDing]

Pull out Stephane Matteau if we're going that far back.

Since 2016:

Grabner, Puempel, Glass, Jooris, Pirri, Deharnais, Carey, Holland, McLeod, Brickley.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Sure, but that has absolutely nothing to do with what management is doing. They were gifted that pick.

Unless you're implying that Kakko has sped things up significantly in which case, we better ****ing do something about our center depth.

We can't make "speed-up" moves and then continue to sit around. It's one or the other. And I get that there's still time but there isn't a whole lot of money.

I feel like we just moved what would have been Hayes' overpayment to RD.

The overall amount of young talent we have and Have on its way it’s light years away from where it was in the 2000’s.

The speed up moves have me worried that they may have jumped into that pool too soon, but it’s hardly the same situation as it was in the times you referenced.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Who is the coolest (lesser known) brother we've ever had?

Fedor Fedorov?
Marcel Hossa?
Ryan Lindgren (jury's out though)?
Vic Howe?
Darren Raddysh?

Either Pyatt?

At least we got Henrik and Mark Messier right.

 

[Tawnos]

We have Kakko, Kravtsov, and Kreider. Panarin was a luxury.

But again, I'm not that against the Panarin signing because he's legitimately elite. Trouba is not.

Well, I'm pretty sure Kreider is not likely to be an important member of this team at its peak. He could be an exception, but IMO his abilities aren't high-end enough to withstand a reaction-time deterioration, which will be coming in the next 3-4 years. (I say all this while also saying that he's probably my favorite Ranger of this era)

I agree Trouba is not elite. He also isn't even close to being paid like he is.

 

[Machinehead]

Are you comparing Trouba to Redden?

As for Panarin, the closest comp is Gaborik, and he had a reputation as "glassman" even before he got here (and still wound up being by far the best UFA signing the team's had since... I don't know when).

Absolutely I'm comparing Trouba to Redden.

Pay a good player (Redden was at one point) huge money and ask him to carry a position when he's never done that or is too old to do that.

Holik, Drury, Redden, Richards, Nash, Shattenkirk. Of course, some are better than others, but Trouba checks off every box as far as being that type of acquisition.

 

[Fitzy]

Well, I'm pretty sure Kreider is not likely to be an important member of this team at its peak. He could be an exception, but IMO his abilities aren't high-end enough to withstand a reaction-time deterioration, which will be coming in the next 3-4 years. (I say all this while also saying that he's probably my favorite Ranger of this era)

I agree Trouba is not elite. He also isn't even close to being paid like he is.

Debatable. Several of those years are RFA.

 

[Machinehead]

The overall amount of young talent we have and Have on its way it’s light years away from where it was in the 2000’s.

The speed up moves have me worried that they may have jumped into that pool too soon, but it’s hardly the same situation as it was in the times you referenced.

Not saying it is. I'm just worried about the moves just like you are.

Maybe I'm more worried or maybe I'm just louder about it, but that's literally all I'm arguing.

Why would you jump back into that pool when the rebuild was going so well?

 

[RGY]

Traverse City cant come soon enough with the debate that is going on in this thread.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not saying it is. I'm just worried about the moves just like you are.

Maybe I'm more worried or maybe I'm just louder about it, but that's literally all I'm arguing.


Why would you jump back into that pool when the rebuild was going so well?

I would have stayed away from Panarin. Time will tell if it was the right decision.

I have zero issue with Trouba. There is reason to believe that we haven’t seen his best hockey yet.

 

[Machinehead]

Again, if we were gonna give out a fat contract to a player who's very good but not outstanding, Hayes was more of a need.

 

[Tawnos]

Debatable. Several of those years are RFA.

The RFA/UFA distinction is fairly meaningless at this point, but 2 years are RFA... and he's getting paid more in those years than his UFA years.

Edit: this isn't accurate. This will be his 7th year in the NHL. So only 1 year is an RFA year.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Sign Brassard lol. Com’on

 

[Machinehead]

I would have stayed away from Panarin. Time will tell if it was the right decision.

I have zero issue with Trouba. There is reason to believe that we haven’t seen his best hockey yet.

That's fair, but I have my doubts that a guy is gonna leave a great roster in Winnipeg and then take two steps forward babysitting Marc Staal (and you know that happening at some point).

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Absolutely I'm comparing Trouba to Redden.

Pay a good player (Redden was at one point) huge money and ask him to carry a position when he's never done that or is too old to do that.

Holik, Drury, Redden, Richards, Nash, Shattenkirk. Of course, some are better than others, but Trouba checks off every box as far as being that type of acquisition.

Wade Redden was 31 years old, already widely-known to be declining, and signed a deal that paid him 10.9% of the cap which would stretch until his in '08.

How does that compare to a Trouba who is 25, coming off his best season, and paid 9.8% of the cap in '19?

 

[Machinehead]

Wade Redden was 31 years old, already widely-known to be declining, and signed a deal that paid him 10.9% of the cap which would stretch until his in '08.

How does that compare to a Trouba who is 25, coming off his best season, and paid 9.8% of the cap in '19?

Asking him to step into a role he's probably not suited for is the thing. And the Rangers do this constantly.

Hell, they're lucky Zibanejad did it.