Machinehead
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So do we just not discuss negative things about the team because we prefer they didn't exist? Defeats the purpose of the site IMO.
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Machinehead
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Tell the Rongos that!
Irishguy42
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Ah...yes...we are truly in the deep of August.
September 6th cannot come soon enough.
September 6th cannot come soon enough.
ohbaby
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Terrible analogy. It only takes one hole or missed assignment on D to get scored upon or sunk. Do you watch hockey?
Machinehead
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Not once. I just really like colorful charts and I use hockey as a proxy.
Machinehead
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It's not just corsi anymore. A lot of metrics exist now. And we're finding that some guys, like a Cam Fowler or a Kris Russell, are mixed bags. That's still not great but it's more flattering than it used to be. It's gone in the opposite direction for Staal. He might be the most consensus awful defensemsn in terms of different metrics since hockey analytics were established. You couldn't invent a category that Staal excels at if you tried. You can't even give him hits and blocks like you could for Girardi. He's not even good at the meatshield archetype.
A Calder Trophy would be nice, haven’t had one of those in 30 years!
Rongomania
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Kravtsov & Kakko racing for the Calder would be so goddamned glorious.
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posted this over at
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Value of: - Bidding War for Michael Frolik
sharing, as some may find it amusing
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Value of: - Bidding War for Michael Frolik
sharing, as some may find it amusing
SA16
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Machinehead
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I tried to discuss. I was attacked for suggesting that we go into the season with more than two NHL centers and that maybe Brendan Lemieux isn't a core player. Scorching takes, right there.
It's always the "negative" people holding the bag when this happens but I don't think we realize how aggressively this board attacks anything that isn't gushing praise.
NYR94
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Marc Staal has been bad going back to when Stralman left, my point being that he was bad even when he had a "supporting cast" like McDonagh and Girardi.
That the team "leans on him" is an indictment of the teams depth or coaches judgement.
The concussions and eye injury robbed Staal of a decent career, you can clearly see a decline in his game since his first major concussion.
I'm willing to wave my hands in the air in a vague fashion over "veteran providing behind the scenes leadership and mentoring to young players" but out on the ice he's just plain bad. Even PKing, where people say "oh no we can't have guys like DeAngelo killing penalties we need a stalwart like Staal" he has been bad by any metric.
Fact is that he's cooked but the Rangers LD depth right now is Skjei as the #1, Staal as the only other proven D, and a bunch of ??? for the time being. That's why he is "leaned on".
Also let's take a moment to talk about "metrics". This isn't some wildly obscure concept, this is like stuff ranging from +/- to amount of shot attempts against while on the ice to amount of goals scored against and while I'm too damn lazy to look them all up, Staal has been bad at all of that stuff for a long time now (again, looking back to his injuries).
On top of all that is ignoring Lundqvist. Dude is probably the real reason why the Rangers looked like they had "good" D for so many years. He was in his prime and was amazing. The D in front of him ranged from decent to atrocious. The only time he had a decent D in front of him he went to the finals but the Rangers decided to let the lynch pin of their second pairing walk and it was downhill from there.
Man I'd give a flying f*** if I thought the Rangers truly were trying to make a run this year but I think this is more about getting pieces in place rather than "yeah dude we got what it takes we're gonna win the cup while Lundqvist is still alive"
Brassard's on the wrong side of 30, had a shit year, and I'd rather spend any amount of time trying to develop a C rather than sign a crap player even if he's cheap. The Rangers drafted Andersson and Chytil as centers. They ran Chytil out as a center at the end of the year and IMO he looked more comfortable and visible in that position. Let's develop them before chicken littling about the whole thing.
your argument seems to be "the Rangers signed some guys long term this offseason so obviously they must be trying to compete for the cup this coming season therefor they should have signed an over the hill center who was bad last year to a 1 year contract because they're trying to compete...????"
On top of that I don't think many people are thinking of Lemieux as a core player in terms of someone like Kakko or even a 2C, but he's gonna get a small contract this year and a chance to show he's worth more than that and that's fine. He brings a few things thta other players don't but if he doesn't produce as well he's not going to get the $3 mill you're gettin' all hopped up about
Machinehead
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My argument isn't that the Rangers are competing right now, but there's certainly a window with our best prospects on ELC that they would be wise to get something out of. I never said it had to be right now. That window would be extended if they didn't spend this summer.
More importantly, "letting the kids play" means that you're willing to demote the veterans when the kids have outplayed them. It does not mean giving the kids nobody to compete with and throwing them into roles they've given no indication they're ready for.
What we did to Brett Howden last year was inexcusable and straight out of the Buffalo/Edmonton Bible of Development.
It is never ok to go into the season with fewer players than you need. I don't care if you're 0-82.
I mean, I'm negative about quite a few things. I was an "anti-DeAngelo" guy last year (not my actual position, just what I was labeled), I'm always anti-McLeod or whatever similar chud we bring in, I was killed by some people for providing context to what Shesterkin was doing, I've been negative about various draft picks, other moves that weren't made, etc. I'm acutely aware of how people are treated when they don't think everything is sunshine and roses. I'll get painted a certain way, labeled a certain thing, and it's all totally inaccurate.
And yet, I manage to not have the entire board on my ass, spending five pages doing nothing but defending my positions.
You my man, it's nothing personal. I think you just have a way of conveying your thoughts that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But you know what? Maybe that's everyone else's problem. Seriously.
Fitzy
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I keep running every possible iteration of the roster in my head and just don't see how we're short players. McKegg, Beleskey, Smith, O'Regan, Di Giuseppe, all these guys have NHL games under their belt and can fill in if some of the rookies need time in Hartford.
Side note- I've never been known as an anti-anyone guy except maybe Avery.
RangerBoy
Dolan sucks!!!
Marner would be one year away from group III eligible for salary arbitration in this scenario.
$12.5M qualifying offer. How much is Marner getting in arbitration? How much will Marner get as a group III?
Machinehead
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I do think there's some validity to the notion that I speak aggressively, probably because I drill things into the minds of 20 year olds for a living. I don't intend, certainly, to talk down to anyone.I mean, I'm negative about quite a few things. I was an "anti-DeAngelo" guy last year (not my actual position, just what I was labeled), I'm always anti-McLeod or whatever similar chud we bring in, I was killed by some people for providing context to what Shesterkin was doing, I've been negative about various draft picks, other moves that weren't made, etc. I'm acutely aware of how people are treated when they don't think everything is sunshine and roses. I'll get painted a certain way, labeled a certain thing, and it's all totally inaccurate.
And yet, I manage to not have the entire board on my ass, spending five pages doing nothing but defending my positions.
You my man, it's nothing personal. I think you just have a way of conveying your thoughts that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But you know what? Maybe that's everyone else's problem. Seriously.
But I do think there a tendency of some posters, not all, to decide when it's ok to be negative. "Oh it's August." So? It's hot out! People are aggressive in the heat.
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