Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2019/2020) - Tick Tock

[Machinehead]

If we’re going to bring in Boyle we should also try and pry Dominic Moore out of retirement

Would it be a worse option than f***ing Greg McKegg?

 

[Machinehead]

You realize that Hank, Staal, and Smith all drop off the books in 2 years and will probably be replaced by ELCs, right? And Namestinikov and Strome are gone at the end of this year? And the cap is likely going up a couple mil with the new TV deal in a couple years?

It's not nearly as dire as you make it out to be.

Staal, Smith, and Hank coming off the books doesn't even give Kakko, Kravtsov, and Zibanejad new contacts in 2022, let alone doing anything else.

 

[kovazub94]

this convo was on-going and separate from the Brass convo.

For the record, I don't want Brass back. We've already got more than enough fill ins. We need more young 2c options in the system going forward. Depending on what happens with Kreider, going to assume at least one asset in any Kreider trade may go towards addressing org center depth.

Sure, and I'd kind of wish for a "hockey" trade where Kreider and, say, Fast are moved to a contender with excess center depth able to move an up-and-coming young center who hasn't gotten an opportunity on that team and might not get it in near future. From this perspective holding on to Kreider until TDL also makes more sense than moving him this offseason.

 

[Machinehead]

Feels like they’re trying to stagger players who are good now leading the team before letting all of these prospects take the reigns when they’re like 22/23.

I’m mostly on your side with not being on board with how they’re giving out money to everyone (and I’d probably go as far as to say I think they over payed Panarin more than they over payed Trouba), but I’m guessing the front office, like a decent amount of people here, are relying on the new TV deal to help raise the cap in two years or whenever it is (which I’m still skeptical of too).

The thing about Panarin is that I'm willing to overpay for legitimate world class talent.

Trouba is not that. He's good but nothing special.

So here we are praying the cap goes up because we shit our pants before it actually went up.

That sounds just like always!

 

[Calad]

Sure you can do two things at once. You can have a terrible roster AND be up against the cap!

As has been discussed ad nauseum, the club is in no danger of being in cap trouble when the fruits of the draft ripen in a few seasons. Lucky for us having a terrible roster this year is a nice benefit to the rebuild. Just hope we can nab another 1st for this coming draft.

 

[nyr2k2]

Staal, Smith, and Hank coming off the books doesn't even give Kakko, Kravtsov, and Zibanejad new contacts in 2022, let alone doing anything else.

I mean it's $18M, and you can add in whatever the projected cap increases are. That should definitely get you two signed. If in a few years the defense develops as expected you can also try to move out Skjei and his $5.5M+ and replace it with an ELC. Keeping the core together beyond three years shouldn't be impossible by any stretch with the prospect depth we've built.

 

[nyr2k2]

As has been discussed ad nauseum, the club is in no danger of being in cap trouble when the fruits of the draft ripen in a few seasons. Lucky for us having a terrible roster this year is a nice benefit to the rebuild. Just hope we can nab another 1st for this coming draft.

Yup.

 

[Machinehead]

As has been discussed ad nauseum, the club is in no danger of being in cap trouble when the fruits of the draft ripen in a few seasons. Lucky for us having a terrible roster this year is a nice benefit to the rebuild. Just hope we can nab another 1st for this coming draft.

They're not inherently in danger but they'll have to stop wasting money on middling players. We need the Rangers to stop wasting money. God have mercy.

 

[kovazub94]

Kreider is a rental. The Rangers aren't getting a top center for a rental.

But they could get a near ready prospect, no?

 

[Machinehead]

I mean it's $18M, and you can add in whatever the projected cap increases are. That should definitely get you two signed. If in a few years the defense develops as expected you can also try to move out Skjei and his $5.5M+ and replace it with an ELC. Keeping the core together beyond three years shouldn't be impossible by any stretch with the prospect depth we've built.

Never said it would be impossible but the Rangers have demonstrated this summer that they still love spending money and refuse to get creative or give themselves multiple options. This rebuild was supposed to be about changing.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Trouba is not a middling player; he's a foundational player, a 25-y-o 1st pairing, all-situations RHD who both scores and plays with an edge. That's why they made the trade and why they signed him.

Mark my words, his contract is going to look awfully good before it is even halfway expired...

 

[Machinehead]

Trouba is not a middling player; he's a foundational player, a 25-y-o 1st pairing, all-situations RHD who plays with an edge. That's why they made the trade and why they signed him.

Mark my words, his contract is going to look awfully good before it is even halfway expired...

Calling Trouba a foundational player is a perfect example of how overrated he's become since getting traded to the Rangers.

DeAngelo is going to be a better defenseman.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Calling Trouba a foundational player is a perfect example of how overrated he's become since getting traded to the Rangers.

DeAngelo is going to be a better defenseman.

Sigh. A couple of nice offensive games at the end of a lost season (where he still couldn't effectively displace an opponent in front of the Rangers' net if his life depended on it), and he's going to be better than Jacob f***in' Trouba. Okay.

Who's overrating which player...?

And for the record, I've been an enormous Trouba fan basically since his draft year. I had no doubts about acquiring him; I was much more iffy on Panarin (due to his age, and that fact that he's making almost 50% more than Trouba). Now that they're both here, I look forward to watching them both play.

 

[Machinehead]

Sigh. A couple of nice offensive games at the end of a lost season (where he still couldn't effectively displace an opponent in front of the Rangers' net if his life depended on it), and he's going to be better than Jacob ****in' Trouba. Okay.

Who's overrating which player...?

And for the record, I've been an enormous Trouba fan basically since his draft year. I had no doubts about acquiring him; I was much more iffy on Panarin (due to his age, and that fact that he's making almost 50% more than Trouba). Now that they're both here, I look forward to watching them both play.

He's not "Jacob f***in Trouba," he's Jacob Trouba, guy who plays in the NHL. There is nothing special about him. He's Brady Skjei with brain cells.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

The thing about Panarin is that I'm willing to overpay for legitimate world class talent.

Trouba is not that. He's good but nothing special.

So here we are praying the cap goes up because we **** our pants before it actually went up.

That sounds just like always!

Meh, I’ve got a different view on Panarin, but I don’t really feel like drudging up that argument again.

And no need to sell me on that stuff, I’ve been pretty upset with what this team has done at the NHL level since June 31st

 

[bobbop]

There's a lot of dumb going on here today

 

[Kakko]

He's not "Jacob ****in Trouba," he's Jacob Trouba, guy who plays in the NHL. There is nothing special about him. He's Brady Skjei with brain cells.

A year ago you thought Trouba was the second best American defenseman. What's changed, besides him going to the Rangers?

Best American defenseman right now #2

Trouba

 

[nyr2k2]

He's not "Jacob ****in Trouba," he's Jacob Trouba, guy who plays in the NHL. There is nothing special about him. He's Brady Skjei with brain cells.

Man, you're back to being all salty and disgruntled and full of negative hyperbole. I really enjoyed the brief period of time where you didn't wake up just to piss in everyone's cereal.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Staal, Smith, and Hank coming off the books doesn't even give Kakko, Kravtsov, and Zibanejad new contacts in 2022, let alone doing anything else.

Names, Strome, Kreider, McKegg, and Belesky is about 13M. Plus Girardi's cap penalty drops about 2.5M. The following season, Shatty's cap penalty drops about 4.5M.

They're not inherently in danger but they'll have to stop wasting money on middling players. We need the Rangers to stop wasting money. God have mercy.

You whined about not signing Brassard, now you're whining about wasting our money on middling players.

Dude... It sounds like you're *****ing just to *****.

Calling Trouba a foundational player is a perfect example of how overrated he's become since getting traded to the Rangers.

DeAngelo is going to be a better defenseman.

I question your ability to evaluate hockey talent after a foolish statement like this. Seriously.

 

[MrPodz]

August really makes people argue about things that arent worth it. Trouba is a 1rd and we havent had that. Theyre rare and hard to find and we traded for one entering his prime. We overpayed very little and hes not overrated by any means. The shine of this offseason seems to be getting dull because people forget how awesome these acquisitions are. Its also not the same where wed overpay for a guy who was entering their 30s. Panarins contract wont be good at the end, we know that, but itll be worth it right now. Big DeAngelo fan but hes not trouba and theyre both different. Deangelo is smaller as well and probably will create more offense given pp1 time. I know hockey feels years away but still be excited for our young up and coming team. Be excited that we are here for the growing pains and we will be able to see our team grow into a monster. For gods sake, miller and lundqvist arent even here yet!

 

[FIRE DRURY]

A year ago you thought Trouba was the second best American defenseman. What's changed, besides him going to the Rangers?

Best American defenseman right now #2

Oh Snap!

 

[Tawnos]

Sure you can do two things at once. You can have a terrible roster AND be up against the cap!

You can also still be building, without an emphasis on winning RIGHT NOW and make acquisitions that help in both the short and long-term.

It's called transition... and it doesn't happen by turning on one mode and turning off another. As I've said, you clearly haven't wrapped your mind around it.

 

[MrPodz]

You can also still be building, without an emphasis on winning RIGHT NOW and make acquisitions that help in both the short and long-term.

It's called transition... and it doesn't happen by turning on one mode and turning off another. As I've said, you clearly haven't wrapped your mind around it.

Feel like this whole conversation is just to stir up shit because nothing new is happening

 

[Tawnos]

Feel like this whole conversation is just to stir up **** because nothing new is happening

If I post on here during normal work hours, you can assume that I'm running some complex geoprocessing tool in the background and I'm bored while I'm waiting for it to happen

 

[East Coast Bias]

Sure you can do two things at once. You can have a terrible roster AND be up against the cap!

You're on an unbelievable offseason run of taking up siege opinions against everyone. Even ones that are completely at conflict with each other. It's impressive.