Speculation: Roster Building Thread III (2019/2020) - Tick Tock

[Machinehead]

Man oh man WHAT?!?!?

Last year was his first full Pro season with only 60+ games played and with limited ice time for most of the year with Winnipeg.

The year before he played 9 games.

Never been particular good...based on what?

Its one thing to not like a guy (which your reasoning is still piss poor) but now youre just talking out of your ass.

He isnt some elite scorer but he had a good Junior career. His second full season in the AHL he was solid and produced. He seems to get better as he makes his adjustments to the league and play around him.

Just stop man. I love Brassard but dont take this out on Lemieux. They have nothing to do with each other and Brassard would be a 13th forward/stop gap on this team.

Oh and Strome outscored Brassard last year...

Approaching the point.

 

[Machinehead]

Again tho... U would've had to deal Strome already right? I don't think anyone wanted him... even for a pick

That's because he sucks

 

[Avery16]

Sean Avery was a replaceable player.

Torts said this too right before the Devils eliminated us from the ECF. Players like Lemieux and Fast are very good at doing specific things that good teams need in order to win games. What does Brassard do well for anyone anymore?

 

[Machinehead]

Torts said this too right before the Devils eliminated us from the ECF. Players like Lemieux and Fast are very good at doing specific things that good teams need in order to win games. What does Brassard do well for anyone anymore?

 

[Avery16]

That’s exactly how he looked too, right before he got fired.

 

[Tawnos]

I’m not sure I even understand this discussion.

 

[Ola]

This isn't about toughness... Lemieux isn't "tough" in the traditional sense, he doesn't throw huge hits or knock guys out. He isn't particularly big. But he is an elite agitator combined with actual skill. The entire team plays pissed off when he's in the lineup doing his thing. Incredibly refreshing coming off the days of "between the whistles" Vigneault. Couple that with middle six ability and you have a very unique player.

And he also creates open ice when he is out there, gets in the way of people. Competes hard physically.

I don’t think we can value these guys individually. A player like say Alex Pieterangelo is very valuable to everyone. Guys like Fast or Lemieux aren’t. But for a team very short in the areas someone like Lemieux is good in — he can make a big difference.

And as you touch upon, the kid is a good hockey player. He has very good speed and a good shot. If he can build on that he also has some potential.

Take a player like Wayne Simmond. He is also sort of a Fast Lemieux type of player. He isn’t that good, never have been. But Philly was a perfect fit for him, Giroux and Voracek. Few find their perfect spot — but I do think a player like Lemieux is intriguing.

 

[Krams]

No question he's a very unique player but there's still a limit to how much I'm willing to spend on it.

When it comes to making difficult choices (and the Rangers put themselves in that situation by doing much worse than Lemieux) he's not keeping me up at night.

If he's "very unique" then, by definition, he is not easily replaceable.

Of course there is a limit to how much we should pay him, long term. I'm not saying he's a franchise piece and we should move heaven and earth to keep him. He will literally be making his qualifying offer this season. Maybe $200-300k more? This discussion was centered around your desire to sign Brass and your apathy towards the ramifications that would have for Lemieux. Once he hits UFA status, we can debate how much money we can reasonably spend on a player of his caliber. In the mean time, he's a part of the core and Derick Brassard isn't going to jeopardize that.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Going back in time, I was very cool with the Ryan Spooner contract that ended up being so poisonous we basically had to move him. Thought he had a good chance to be a Drouin/Buchnevich kind of flaky top six player.

 

[Machinehead]

That’s exactly how he looked too, right before he got fired.

So you're blaming that loss on not having Avery rather than say, Gaborik not scoring at all, or being buried in our own zone the entire time 27-5 were on the ice?

Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Are those his skates for real? That’s amazing

I'm not sure. I found the picture on Instagram and thought they just looked too good not to post.

 

[Ola]

https://nypost.com/2019/08/21/limit...rendan-lemieux-in-rangers-contract-standoffs/

We should be forcing these guys to sign 5 year deals instead at a really low rate...

 

[Machinehead]

If he's "very unique" then, by definition, he is not easily replaceable.

Of course there is a limit to how much we should pay him, long term. I'm not saying he's a franchise piece and we should move heaven and earth to keep him. He will literally be making his qualifying offer this season. Maybe $200-300k more? This discussion was centered around your desire to sign Brass and your apathy towards the ramifications that would have for Lemieux. Once he hits UFA status, we can debate how much money we can reasonably spend on a player of his caliber. In the mean time, he's a part of the core and Derick Brassard isn't going to jeopardize that.

He wouldn't have to jeopardize that if this team had decent pro scouting or any sense of financial responsibility whatsoever, but yeah, I guess that's not Lemieux's fault.

 

[Avery16]

So you're blaming that loss on not having Avery rather than say, Gaborik not scoring at all, or being buried in our own zone the entire time 27-5 were on the ice?

Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees.

Given that Avery literally controlled Brodeur and Kovalchuk, yeah. That’s what I’m saying.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

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Are those his skates for real? That’s amazing

Those look tacky AF to me. He’d get chirped hard if he wore skates like that with his name on them, seriously.

Definitely not his. He wears Bauer skates anyway not CCMs.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

And define “core player”. Would Chris Kunitz be that for Pittsburgh?

Hopefully Lemmy can be a very good complimentary player ala Kunie.

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But yeah sucks to see Brass go to the Fish. There goes any rooting for him to rebound.

 

[Avery16]

And define “core player”. Would Chris Kunitz be that for Pittsburgh?

Hopefully Lemmy can be a very good complimentary player ala Kunie.

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But yeah sucks to see Brass go to the Fish. There goes any rooting for him to rebound.

Don’t put it on yourself. No one could root Brassard back into top-six form. He’s no Selanne, and time controls everyone else.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m trying my best to stay out of this Lemieux debate but I’ll just say I disagree with MH vehemently

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I swear to God I come into this thread once every few days and something ridiculous is going on

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think Brassard is washed but I also think Lemuiex’s ability and what he brings to the team long term is way overhyped here

 

[SA16]

Sean Avery was a replaceable player.

We're supposedly in the middle of the rebuild, but we've clearly shifted to a more competitive mindset. Despite that, we have the worst center depth in the league. We're either competing or we're not. Being in the middle is what has always gotten this organization in trouble.

Sean Avery was a replaceable player.

We're supposedly in the middle of the rebuild, but we've clearly shifted to a more competitive mindset. Despite that, we have the worst center depth in the league. We're either competing or we're not. Being in the middle is what has always gotten this organization in trouble.

Sean Avery scored 1.84 pts/60 from 2007 to 2012 as a Ranger. If you include 06-07 (which isn't on NST) it would be even higher. I would hardly call that a replaceable player. That's 1st line level of scoring in addition to being a huge plus in penalty differential with great possession stats.

Well again, this wasn't really about Lemieux. I have no issue with Lemieux. I'm just not going to overpay for what he does or prioritize him over needs higher in the lineup.

The real problem is that we gave Namestnikov and Spooner (turned into Strome) 8+ million dollars to do precisely nothing. That's exactly why I don't want to overpay Lemieux.

How are we going to overpay Lemieux? He's played 72 NHL games with 18 points. I highly doubt he gets much over 1M if he even gets there. Hopefully he does play well enough that he's worth more than that in the future.

 

[Alluckks]

If anybody wanted to trade for Strome then it would have been done

The schtick of "just sign x for cheap and then trade away this more expensive guy on our team" is typical lazy offseason banter; it is video game nonsense

 

[SA16]

If anybody wanted to trade for Strome then it would have been done

The schtick of "just sign x for cheap and then trade away this more expensive guy on our team" is typical lazy offseason banter; it is video game nonsense

The main issue with "Just sign Brassard and trade Strome" is why wouldn't the team we want to trade Strome to just sign Brassard themselves? He signed 1-1.2 I highly doubt he had a multitude of options and was turning teams down.

 

[Kupo]

That's because he sucks

Strome scored 10 more points in 7 less games than Brassard.

Hell, Vesey scored more points than Brassard did last year.

Learn to let go man.

 

[Machinehead]

Strome scored 10 more points in 7 less games than Brassard.

Hell, Vesey scored more points than Brassard did last year.

Learn to let go man.

Brassard had more points than both of them the year before. It's one year.