Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Shesterkybomb]

The premise was if the team got Kane. Not moving Panarin for the sake of moving him.

The PP is down a bit this year and I believe that's because teams have been better about limiting the Zibanejad one-timer. Zibanejad is accounting for 48% of the team's PP goals this year. Last year he accounted for 27%. They are relying too much on having to get the puck to him. In general, the better the team they face the harder it is getting to make it happen this year. So how do you propose this be fixed?

No way. Panarin was stapled to the left boards the overwhelming majority of the time with Strome on the right. Zibanejad floating from typical bumper position to down low left side of the net. Fox at the top. This structure wasn't anything new. A brief look at some tape from his last year in Columbus he was stapled on the left too. This is in addition to the fact he hates playing RW because of the angle (Gallant actually just recently made mention of this when talking about Lafreniere playing left vs right), and it's really not much different on the PP. Panarin on the right on the PP was not a regular occurrence for him at all, so it's not like moving him from that spot is taking away his bread (lol) and butter.

The pp missed strome when he was out last year and they miss him again this year, has nothing to do with teams adjusting to Mika. Trochek doesn't add anything to the pp outside of faceoffs, we can either keep bouncing our heads against the wall or try someone else.

 

[bleedblue94]

The pp missed strome when he was out last year and they miss him again this year, has nothing to do with teams adjusting to Mika. Trochek doesn't add anything to the pp outside of faceoffs, we can either keep bouncing our heads against the wall or try someone else.

Trocheck is not a pp1 player. Never was. It's not a knock on him, it's reality. He has strengths that help a team but pp1 is not it

 

[haohmaru]

The pp missed strome when he was out last year and they miss him again this year, has nothing to do with teams adjusting to Mika. Trochek doesn't add anything to the pp outside of faceoffs, we can either keep bouncing our heads against the wall or try someone else.

Rangers PP last year was 25% - this year it's 22% and that's a few Trocheck posts within being pretty much the same as it was a year ago. This narrative that the PP is awful or something now in comparison to a year ago is a complete falsehood.

 

[haohmaru]

For every Corey Perry or Brent Burns or Ryan Kesler from 20-30 in the 2003 NHL draft there was a Marc-Antoine Pouliot, Shawn Belle, Jeff Tambellini or Anthony Stewart. I count 3 elite players and 4 duds.

Other 3 were Brian Boyle, Mark Stuart and Patrick Eaves. Solid players, sure, but if you need one of their ilk at any given deadline you don't need to worry, it won't cost you a 1st

You really have confidence in the same Rangers draft team you trash on for drafting the guys they have in the past and "not F**king it up again"?

Its such a backwards argument "ughhhh the Rangers suck at drafting" but "lets stockpile picks because its the best draft everrrrr".

We still have a 1st round pick. Everything will be okay in your dreams you won't dream of a draft board with no Rangers pick from 1-32, the Rangers will still be there once to ensure your dreams aren't a nightmare

Having an extra 1st round pick in this year's upcoming draft isn't "stockpiling" picks it's replacing a 1st round pick we didn't have this year.

And, yeah, I'll take a 3 in 10 shot at a Corey Perry or Brent Burns over an over the hill winger with 4 goals that'll play for a month and never wear the blue again any day of the week.

This team has done next to nothing this year to make anyone with an ounce of reason to believe they're a couple of TDL moves away from winning the Cup. It's delusional. If they win 15 out of 20 and are as hot as can be going into the deadline then maybe this is a different conversation. As it stands, right now, this team is a whole lot closer to not making the playoffs than it is at winning ANYTHING.

The real backwards argument is OMG let's add Patrick Kane and plan a f***ing parade. It's pure fantasy and, given what this team has shown so far this year, idiotic.

 

[UnSandvich]

Trocheck is not a pp1 player. Never was. It's not a knock on him, it's reality. He has strengths that help a team but pp1 is not it

Nah, the problem is that his best role on a PP (netfront) is already covered by a player with tenure who's better at it (Kreider)

 

[bleedblue94]

Nah, the problem is that his best role on a PP (netfront) is already covered by a player with tenure who's better at it (Kreider)

That's true as well, but trocheck is not a pp1 caliber offensive player and he never has been...

 

[bleedblue94]

Rangers PP last year was 25% - this year it's 22% and that's a few Trocheck posts within being pretty much the same as it was a year ago. This narrative that the PP is awful or something now in comparison to a year ago is a complete falsehood.

I guess we are the only team that hits posts?

If you watch this team and think anything about it is comparable to last year then I don't know. There is a different feel all around it. This isn't something just made up, the players have even said as much. The pp destroys certain teams but you can just as well see how other teams have a read on it and stifle it. Is it the worst thing to want to try some different combos 30 games into the season to see if they can make it better or less predictable? What's wrong with that? If it doesn't work you can go right back to what they run out now...

 

[Lion Hound]

Having an extra 1st round pick in this year's upcoming draft isn't "stockpiling" picks it's replacing a 1st round pick we didn't have this year.

And, yeah, I'll take a 3 in 10 shot at a Corey Perry or Brent Burns over an over the hill winger with 4 goals that'll play for a month and never wear the blue again any day of the week.

This team has done next to nothing this year to make anyone with an ounce of reason to believe they're a couple of TDL moves away from winning the Cup. It's delusional. If they win 15 out of 20 and are as hot as can be going into the deadline then maybe this is a different conversation. As it stands, right now, this team is a whole lot closer to not making the playoffs than it is at winning ANYTHING.

The real backwards argument is OMG let's add Patrick Kane and plan a f***ing parade. It's pure fantasy and, given what this team has shown so far this year, idiotic.

This isn’t the draft to be moving 1st rounders. At least not for Rental Players. With that said The club has Chytil, Lafreniere, K’Andre, Gauthier and Hajek all RFA’s that need re signing next season. Some money coming off the books in the buyouts but they will be up against the cap once again. So, while not an advocate for trading for Rental players, it’s sort of the only thing Drury can do cept for trading salary out.

Hate to say it, but barring a tanking situation Drury is going to go in again this season. Hope he doesn’t trade any of the firsts but…yeah. He’s got a Dolan over his shoulder so…

 

[Jim Ramsay]

This isn’t the draft to be moving 1st rounders. At least not for Rental Players. With that said The club has Chytil, Lafreniere, K’Andre, Gauthier and Hajek all RFA’s that need re signing next season. Some money coming off the books in the buyouts but they will be up against the cap once again. So, while not an advocate for trading for Rental players, it’s sort of the only thing Drury can do cept for trading salary out.

Hate to say it, but barring a tanking situation Drury is going to go in again this season. Hope he doesn’t trade any of the firsts but…yeah. He’s got a Dolan over his shoulder so…

If the Rangers are in the mix at the deadline they are 100% trading one of the first round picks.

Might as well accept it now, it wont sting as much later

 

[McRanger92]

If the Rangers are in the mix at the deadline they are 100% trading one of the first round picks.

Might as well accept it now, it wont sting as much later

This is a fact. I really hope it’s not Kane though. He’s not what this team needs

 

[tomobson]

Rangers PP last year was 25% - this year it's 22% and that's a few Trocheck posts within being pretty much the same as it was a year ago. This narrative that the PP is awful or something now in comparison to a year ago is a complete falsehood.

Yup, everyone's pp got stronger this year or they'll start to equalize more as the season goes on. Trocheck is a way better bumper than Strome. Kreider is also barely missing on some of his deflections which all just seemed to go in last year. If those start going in our pp is definitely more dangerous than it was last year. The team in general was playing pretty damn good hockey to start the season. Rangers had a situation where the whole team got snakebitten at the same time and it just tanked their confidence. Hopefully this win streak can start to turn things around. A solid win against the devils tomorrow can go a long ways.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Claim Tolvanen and waive Blais. get it done. This would be a roster upgrade

 

[huerter]

I guess we are the only team that hits posts?

If you watch this team and think anything about it is comparable to last year then I don't know. There is a different feel all around it. This isn't something just made up, the players have even said as much. The pp destroys certain teams but you can just as well see how other teams have a read on it and stifle it. Is it the worst thing to want to try some different combos 30 games into the season to see if they can make it better or less predictable? What's wrong with that? If it doesn't work you can go right back to what they run out now...

If we are listening to the players then listen to Kreider, who said the righty bumper was a necessity. And this was after months and months of us telling the donks that a right bumper was a necessity. Because it's common sense. If you want further evidence, Larry was on the Junks just last week saying that the biggest positive that Oshie brings to the lineup is being a righty bumper.

Actually, a lot of the donks are adjusting their thought process to fit the new parameters. "Of course the bumper should be a righty! We agreed with that the whole time." Move Panarin into the bumper spot! Problem solved!"

They want to move Panarin, a player they absolutely despise at even strength but is still an elite playmaker with time and space, into the bumper spot which plays to none of his strengths. All so they can squeeze in a player whose profile says he was drafted high but has demonstrated minimal playmaking ability. Let's be honest, all so that they get joaned on a teeny bit less by fans of other teams.

It's selfish and reprehensible.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Claim Tolvanen and waive Blais. get it done. This would be a roster upgrade

He'll be claimed long before we are up.

 

[pld459666]

Solid bottom 6 NHLers can be acquired at any point through free agency or TDL for cheap costs. Motte, Vatrano just last year.

I also said its not a straight up 30%. Its a 30% when not factoring in any variables like us being bad at drafting. Lets not forget out pick in that draft was Hugh Jessiman. We had a 30% chance of striking gold in the 1st round and we didn't so what makes you think we do this time?

How do you know it won't get us a Cup? Some very big assumptions. By your logic of straight up numbers with no outside variable factors weighted, we had a 25% chance at the Cup last year in final 4. I'd rather take a 25% chance at Cup in June than a 30% chance at drafting someone in June.

Your 25% chance above is actually less than 10% in reality when you consider the last time a big name acquisition like Kane pushed a team over the finish line to win a Cup. In all probability, it's less than 10%

Every year teams make these silly trades and every year the effort fails.

The 30% shot at drafting someone in the 20-30 spot is the much smarter and healthier play for a team that is not a Patrick Kane away from winning it all.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

That's true as well, but trocheck is not a pp1 caliber offensive player and he never has been...

He’s second on the team in PPG.

 

[pld459666]

If we are trading a 1st for an asset that would be here long term, I would consider that.

Similar to the Bolts getting a Brandon Hagel type guy, sure. And be mindful when shitting on Hagel in your replies, he was 40+ point player last year and is on pace for 40-50+ points this year as well.

Pure rentals? No. Not interested in moving a 1st for a pure rental that will likely be available in March

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Both sides of this first round pick debate have merit.

Most first round picks do not pan out. For all those 1st rounders we dealt in the mid 2010s, I’m not sure one single player went on to have an impact career of any kind.

That said, with a supposed deep draft, it needs to be properly leveraged.

Say for Tarasenko no one wants to give a 2023 1st. Blues don’t want a 2024 1st. You make it conditioned on (1) Rangers choice of pick and (2) winning the Stanley cup.

If the Rangers win the cup, they can have the 1st. If they don’t, we keep it.

Last year they conditioned the Copp 1st on making the ECF. It made the pick 30th overall. Brad Lambert. Would we rather have Lambert? Sure. But we got good experience for the kids and don’t forget, our veterans too. Zibanejad for example hasn’t had a lot of playoff experience. Igor went through tough times, Chytil developed, Laffy and Kakko got some experience. Miller too.

If you HAVE to trade the pick, you condition it, like Tampa did to us with McDonagh. If we win the cup you get a 1st. Otherwise take the 2nd.

If some other team ponies up a 1st, look elsewhere for help

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Rangers PP last year was 25% - this year it's 22% and that's a few Trocheck posts within being pretty much the same as it was a year ago. This narrative that the PP is awful or something now in comparison to a year ago is a complete falsehood.

I'm not sure where you cherry picked the stats at but we were 2nd in the league in the pp at 32% for 2021-22 and now we're below 22%. Thats a massive drop, but tell me more about narratives.

 

[SA16]

The best PP% of all time is 31.9% so no, I don't think we were second in the league at 32% last year.

 

[haohmaru]

I'm not sure where you cherry picked the stats at but we were 2nd in the league in the pp at 32% for 2021-22 and now we're below 22%. Thats a massive drop, but tell me more about narratives.

I think you’re looking at playoffs not regular season, Mr “Narratives”.

 

[cheech70]

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think you’re looking at playoffs not regular season, Mr “Narratives”.

Sure, having "covid" Mika for half the year tanked our pp for the first half of the year.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Looking ahead into the off-season, there’s a couple of things that give the Rangers a little breathing room for next season if the cap goes up to $86.5M. If it doesn’t we may be in a bit of trouble regardless.

(1) Othmann will likely make the team in a top-9 role and be on an ELC.

(2) Garand will likely be ready to backup on an ELC.

(3) Robertson maybe can step into that 3LD spot if the team doesn’t believe in Jones.

If that’s the plan, it is imperative that they lock up Chytil before he absolutely breaks out. Because it’s coming. If he can stay healthy he’s going to be really good. He’s finally growing into his size and he’s gaining more and more confidence. I’d offer him like $4.75Mx5 or at least 4 years.

Lafreniere and Miller could be bridged but one of them can be signed between 5-6M for 5+ years, if the team chooses. Probably the better move because with the Cap going up it could end up being a steal. I know all these young guys around the league are getting paid big bucks but neither has really put up the points to garner that type of contract. Say Laffy $5.6M X 6 years, Miller $3.3M x 2, or vice versa.

Kravtsov is a wild card because depending on who the coach (and GM) are, he’s probably not going to be a part of the team. Not my choice as I would be trying to integrate him into the roster because he’s a skill player who will likely sign for under $1.5M x 1. Extremely valuable depth especially as he grows stronger and more comfortable in the NHL.

Emberson and Pajuniemi I’d re-sign and send to Hartford. Let Gettinger finally go and find an opportunity elsewhere.

Of the 2023 deadlines on reserve, I’d sign Grubbe only. The rest are just meh.

Of the UFA, we will probably lose Rydahl because they just won’t give him a look in the NHL for some reason. Not sure why. Absolutely no interest in bringing back Blais, Vesey, Carpenter, Halak, Harpur, or any other UFA. Let them all walk.

This puts the lineup at:

Lafreniere (5.6) - Zibanejad (8.5) - Kakko (2.1)
Panarin (11.6) - Chytil (4.75) - Othmann (.894)
Kreider (6.5) - Trocheck (5.6) - X/Kravtsov (1)
Goodrow (3.6) - Brodzinski (.762) - X

Lindgren (3) - Fox (9.5)
Miller (3.5) - Schneider (.925)
Robertson (.798) - Trouba (8)

Igor (5.6)
Garand (.828)

The team would have $4.2M in cap space to add a middle 6RW, 4RW, a depth F and depth D. Jones and Kravtsov will probably end up being moved, it is what it is. I’d give both way more of a look than Gallant right now but he seems intent not to. Regardless, Very doable.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Looking ahead into the off-season, there’s a couple of things that give the Rangers a little breathing room for next season if the cap goes up to $86.5M. If it doesn’t we may be in a bit of trouble regardless.

(1) Othmann will likely make the team in a top-9 role and be on an ELC.

(2) Garand will likely be ready to backup on an ELC.

(3) Robertson maybe can step into that 3LD spot if the team doesn’t believe in Jones.

If that’s the plan, it is imperative that they lock up Chytil before he absolutely breaks out. Because it’s coming. If he can stay healthy he’s going to be really good. He’s finally growing into his size and he’s gaining more and more confidence. I’d offer him like $4.75Mx5 or at least 4 years.

Lafreniere and Miller could be bridged but one of them can be signed between 5-6M for 5+ years, if the team chooses. Probably the better move because with the Cap going up it could end up being a steal. I know all these young guys around the league are getting paid big bucks but neither has really put up the points to garner that type of contract. Say Laffy $5.6M X 6 years, Miller $3.3M x 2, or vice versa.

Kravtsov is a wild card because depending on who the coach (and GM) are, he’s probably not going to be a part of the team. Not my choice as I would be trying to integrate him into the roster because he’s a skill player who will likely sign for under $1.5M x 1. Extremely valuable depth especially as he grows stronger and more comfortable in the NHL.

Emberson and Pajuniemi I’d re-sign and send to Hartford. Let Gettinger finally go and find an opportunity elsewhere.

Of the 2023 deadlines on reserve, I’d sign Grubbe only. The rest are just meh.

Of the UFA, we will probably lose Rydahl because they just won’t give him a look in the NHL for some reason. Not sure why. Absolutely no interest in bringing back Blais, Vesey, Carpenter, Halak, Harpur, or any other UFA. Let them all walk.

This puts the lineup at:

Lafreniere (5.6) - Zibanejad (8.5) - Kakko (2.1)
Panarin (11.6) - Chytil (4.75) - Othmann (.894)
Kreider (6.5) - Trocheck (5.6) - X/Kravtsov (1)
Goodrow (3.6) - Brodzinski (.762) - X

Lindgren (3) - Fox (9.5)
Miller (3.5) - Schneider (.925)
Robertson (.798) - Trouba (8)

Igor (5.6)
Garand (.828)

The team would have $4.2M in cap space to add a middle 6RW, 4RW, a depth F and depth D. Jones and Kravtsov will probably end up being moved, it is what it is. I’d give both way more of a look than Gallant right now but he seems intent not to. Regardless, Very doable.

Honestly i think Chytil has already broken out, and him not being able to stay healthy is an issue that might make signing him long term a risk. If Othmann makes the team next year expect the same treatment Laf, Kakko and Kravtsov got.

Only problem is that its not 2015 anymore