Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Do you want ants]

EvErYbOdY wAnTs To PlAy iN nY

Panarin - NMC
Zibanejad - NMC
Kreider - NMC
Trocheck - NMC
Trouba - NMC
Goodrow - NTC

You start making calls and if you find a spot that makes sense for the team and player you approach them. If they refuse, you remember that and send them to the worst possible destination for next to nothing out of spite and cap space once you’re contractually able to.

 

[Avery16]

Trading Adam Fox before his NMC kicks in because no other option to fix cap would be very dark, but is that their only out?

I’m old enough to remember suggesting this for Trouba before his NMC kicked in. That was infinitely more preferable to this suggestion.

 

[Taluss]

Here's my shit take as armchair GM for the day that won't happen.



Move one of of KK, Laf, Chytil this summer. Get a 1st. Then put in all kinds of caveats in the trade agreement . If said player does well, secondary pieces come back via picks in 2023 draft commensurate with their performance on new team..

So if one of the 3 traded busts out with new team at least you are not rolling the dice on just one 1st in 2022.

How high of a 1st would you want? Would you take the Panthers 1st from the Habs for Laf? I think they would consider that

 

[I Eat Crow]

Here's my shit take as armchair GM for the day that won't happen.



Move one of of KK, Laf, Chytil this summer. Get a 1st. Then put in all kinds of caveats in the trade agreement . If said player does well, secondary pieces come back via picks in 2023 draft commensurate with their performance on new team..

So if one of the 3 traded busts out with new team at least you are not rolling the dice on just one 1st in 2022.

I've never seen incentive based trades in the NHL like in the NFL. Would be nice to get a conditional 2nd the next year in addition to a 1st if they meet certain performance parameters.

 

[Daves a mess]

I've never seen incentive based trades in the NHL like in the NFL. Would be nice to get a conditional 2nd the next year in addition to a 1st if they meet certain performance parameters.

Nils Lundkvist this Sept? Zuccarello?

 

[I Eat Crow]

How high of a 1st would you want? Would you take the Panthers 1st from the Habs for Laf? I think they would consider that

I don't think the Habs trade either 1st for Laf at this point.

It's getting dark early for this team. How many teams are definitely finishing behind the Rangers? 5? The wheels are off and this still may careen out of control even more. Trouba's postmortem last night was just the beginning.

Nils Lundkvist this Sept? Zuccarello?

Those are conditional on team performance, not individual performance.

 

[Daves a mess]

I don't think the Habs trade either 1st for Laf at this point.

It's getting dark early for this team. How many teams are definitely finishing behind the Rangers? 5? The wheels are off and this still may careen out of control even more. Trouba's postmortem last night was just the beginning.


Those are conditional on team performance, not individual performance.

Wasn't something in the Nils move around how many points/games played he gets this season?

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

How high of a 1st would you want? Would you take the Panthers 1st from the Habs for Laf? I think they would consider that

The only reason to do this would be a mercy liberation of the kids to set them free from an organization that clearly does not have any plan to prioritize their development.

Otherwise, we're just rolling the dice that a first rounder will have the potential to be a top player and - more importantly - that this team won't find a way to screw it up.

Odds are if the pick ends up mid first round, they try to draft a power forward or hulking center with questionable puck skills, or another defenseman anyway.

 

[Kravtsov420]

People forget that the reason we had the callys, the anisimovs, the hagelins, the stepans was that we gave them all the ice time in the world because there was literally no one else.

We should have given our top prospects all the ice time and patience to figure it out on there own instead of splitting the team into veteran players and young players

Obviously, you’re going to defer because the veterans have the ear of the coach. If the coach doesn’t listen, he risks losing the locker room at behest of the veterans.

Just a disgusting high school like sociology experiment going bad in that locker room.

The kids were not integrated. They were separated from day one. The inmates have run the asylum too long. Panarin needs to go.

 

[Taluss]

I don't think the Habs trade either 1st for Laf at this point.

It's getting dark early for this team. How many teams are definitely finishing behind the Rangers? 5? The wheels are off and this still may careen out of control even more. Trouba's postmortem last night was just the beginning.


Those are conditional on team performance, not individual performance.

I still think they will finish mid pack. When You got the individual tallent that the Rangers have they will naturally stay towards the mid pack rather than DFL.

But hey, if they finish towards the bottom at least we will get a high pick!… Cuz That’s always worked out great…

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

People forget that the reason we had the callys, the anisimovs, the hagelins, the stepans was that we gave them all the ice time in the world because there was literally no one else.

We should have given our top prospects all the ice time and patience to figure it out on there own instead of splitting the team into veteran players and young players

Obviously, you’re going to defer because the veterans have the ear of the coach. If the coach doesn’t listen, he risks losing the locker room at behest of the veterans.

Just a disgusting high school like sociology experiment going bad in that locker room.

The kids were not integrated. They were separated from day one. The inmates have run the asylum too long. Panarin needs to go.

Anisimov never really got a look in the top 6. I always thought he could have been more. He was that generation's Chytil.

Hagelin and Stepan played gritty Rangers Hockey (TM) and that's why they got a look. So did Jesper Fast. But it was apparent all 3 of those players lacked the high end potential necessary to play on the top 6 on a legitimate Cup contender.

But it tells you this organization's priorities - that low ceiling players can play in the top 6 in the era of Gaborik, Richards, and Nash, but a #1 or #2 overall drafted for their offense can't consistently play in the top 6 in their third and 4th seasons in the organization, respectively.

But hey, at least the Jimmy Vesey comeback tour in going swimmingly /sarcasm. This guy has wasted more NHL ice time than anyone not named Chris Drury.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

That's why it's never going to happen, at least not this season.

Drury and Gallant are going to have to figure this out together.

I'm still furious about the trade.

I hope Buchnevich scores 100 points every season for the next decade to remind them how stupid it was.

Really tired of hearing how it was about cap space. Buch's cap hit is 5.8M. They would have had that easy moving on from Strome a year early (which would have opened up a scoring role for Chytil last year) and not signing Goodrow, which still DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. Then they would have had more cap space this year by NOT SIGNING TROCHECK, but they'd still have Buchnevich.

You can find players to fill out the bottom 6 by looking around the NHL scrap heap or calling up fringe prospects (see Jimmy Vesey). This is what literally every successful team does - and they invest in their core ONLY - in the cap era, and this team stupidly continues to try and build the roster from the top and bottom, and work towards the middle.

And if the 4th line looks like shit? I legitimately do not care. When was the last time the team with the skill of a Colorado, or a last decade Pittsburgh, or a Boston, or even a late 00's San Jose lost in the playoffs and ANYONE was ever like...you know why they lost? Cuz their 4th line sucks.

No, it's always goaltending, lack of star scoring, lack of secondary scoring, shitty special teams, or shitty team defense.

Hell, Colorado won a Cup last year, and they're not above claiming Dryden Hunt who we had no place for. But the difference is they drafted and developed 4 all world talents that are now leading their offense.

Looking back the Buchnevich trade cost us a lot more than just his talent and desire to be here.
If Pavel was kept last season and walked we wouldn’t have had to trade for Copp which cost us a first round pick, 2nd round pick, 2023 5th round pick and Morgan Barron.
Pavel Buchnevich had 11 points in 12 games in the playoffs last year.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Gorton really f***ed us here with the NMC's. Panarin should be the one dealt but it's going to be Chytil or Kakko instead. I'd trade Lafreniere before either of them truthfully.

Unless someone writes a tell-all book we’ll never no for sure but I still believe it was Davidson who rushed the rebuild and held onto those four players at the Play-In TDL.
Everything started escalating after he was brought in as President.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I wonder if we have a Winnipeg situation too where we have a couple of assholes in the locker room alienating people.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Trading Adam Fox before his NMC kicks in because no other option to fix cap would be very dark, but is that their only out?

Is that still an option. God he’s such a talent and it would be underhanded but if he was sent to Detroit (if that was an available option) it might soften the blow.

 

[AirGut]

OUR ISSUE HAS BEEN SOLVED LADS

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I’m hoping Brodzinski gets a look next game and they sit Blais

Blais has been awful. It’s not his fault with the injury but I honestly don’t even care what happens with him. I’d rather they just waive him so I don’t have to be reminded that we choose his mediocre 4th line ass over someone else in that Buch trade

They should be trading Blais. I mean we already like Motte, could he be gotten for blais and a late pick?

 

[CLW]

But hey, at least the Jimmy Vesey comeback tour in going swimmingly /sarcasm. This guy has wasted more NHL ice time than anyone not named Chris Drury.

Vesey is an easy out for management and coaches. Hey look at us, we did a great job finding another diamond in the rough for cheap /pats self on the back.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You wanna talk about the issue...we got rid of all our heart, year by year.
Zuccarello
Buchnevich
Lundqvist
Strome
These guys all cared, without them our forward vets are a bunch of soft pushovers.

 

[tomobson]

The team is not as good as they were last season and they're not as bad as they're playing this year. Rangers were getting caved in night in and night out last season and pulling out bs wins. There was no way that was going to happen again. If Kakko and Laf can't step it up this rebuild/retool whatever you want to call it is not going to work. Kakko and Laf have been mishandled but they can still fix their mistakes...I just don't see this organization capable of it.

 

[IDvsEGO]

You wanna talk about the issue...we got rid of all our heart, year by year.
Zuccarello
Buchnevich
Lundqvist
Strome
These guys all cared, without them our forward vets are a bunch of soft pushovers.

Strome was heart? Because that feels really revisionist.

 

[Savant]

I’m old enough to remember suggesting this for Trouba before his NMC kicked in. That was infinitely more preferable to this suggestion.

Yeah but too late for that now. would get a better haul now for Fox though

Is that still an option. God he’s such a talent and it would be underhanded but if he was sent to Detroit (if that was an available option) it might soften the blow.

NMC hasn’t kicked in yet

 

[haveandare]

Zero chance they move Fox or Igor. Just not going to happen.

Wouldn’t be all that shocked if they move Laf. He hasn’t improved from last year, might be noticeably worse honestly, and he seems to not be emotionally invested all that much. Gotta wonder what they could get for him from a team that still sees the potential, which honestly he might hit in time if a team lets him work through it with big minutes.

Other option is definitely a coaching change, which might be an easier place to start given that this same core just had a good run and seemed to not have any leadership issues less than a year ago.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Fox is one of the few bright spots on this team, he is worth every bit of 9.5 a year. There are some D-men getting +10 million a year already, in a couple years that will be the norm for high end defenders. Zero reason to move Fox

 

[I Eat Crow]

Fox is one of the few bright spots on this team, he is worth every bit of 9.5 a year. There are some D-men getting +10 million a year already, in a couple years that will be the norm for high end defenders. Zero reason to move Fox

That, and I think he'd genuinely retire from hockey if the Rangers dealt him.