Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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After the playoff run we had, no one thought the team shouldnt be all in.
We had a young core, we have a goalie on an unbelievable contract coming off a vezina season.
The kids looked poised to take the next step.
The vets (sans panarin) all looked very good in the playoffs until the tampa series.
We had the perfect situation and adding trocheck wasn't considered a bad move, no one disliked his cap hit or his add, it was the term that was the issue.

We loved copp but trocheck is a far better player and the only difference was an extra 2 years of cap hit.

Drury made smart simple moves at the deadline, it was clear he understood the team needs, and filled them.
We lauded the moves he made, and they worked well.
Drury saw the playoff run, and realized we needed more center depth, and added trocheck who plays better than strome.

Im not saying drury is perfect, but assuming he's gonna go neil smith, seems a weird conclusion.
The issue with this take is that you removed depth from last year's team bc of the cap which is completely understandable, but it was done with the idea that those kids would fill the void, but then they panic and start shuffling guys everywhere and vesey is our defacto 1rw among other things.

People here have said turk isnt feeling the pinch yet but i would argue he started feeling the pinch 7 games into the season. There were huge expectations inside and outside the org, and as I have said when a coach is nervous they usually lean on vets and abandon the plan to fall back on what they know historically. Instead of pushing through with the plan of elevating players into new roles and letting them grow into those roles the org panicked and now it is chaos bc the fall back plan isnt working and now they need to forge forward with the unknown to try to push through this.

The messed up by not committing to the offseason plan through 15-20 games and reevaluating. If you are going to give new roles to kids you have to be prepared for the growing pains. The other huge issue is you need your vets and your core to step up during that kind of transition and instead they shrunk back which made the kids look worse.
 
Someone earlier in this thread mentioned Puljujaarvi and I will be honest, he's a player who has intrigued me for some time. If Edmonton was willing to retain some salary of his $3m owed this year, I'd consider it. I still think he would fit well on the RW of Panarin-Chytil as a defensively responsible winger.

I still see him developing in to another Lehkonen shortly.

Something like:

Carpenter for Puljujaarvi @ $1.5m

Edmonton has no depth at all on wing. Why are they trading a wing for a 4th line center?
 
I am not really talking about Laf and Kakko. That is more of an indictment on the development ability of this organization, which is run by guys who know guys who are friends with guys who are related to guys. Same problem, different department.
Then what “poor drafting in high rounds” are you alluding to? They have drafted fine in the early rounds. If anything the poor drafting has been in rounds 4-7 where we should be swinging for the fences, not taking 20 year olds with limited offensive/defensive upside
 
After the playoff run we had, no one thought the team shouldnt be all in.
We had a young core, we have a goalie on an unbelievable contract coming off a vezina season.
The kids looked poised to take the next step.
The vets (sans panarin) all looked very good in the playoffs until the tampa series.
We had the perfect situation and adding trocheck wasn't considered a bad move, no one disliked his cap hit or his add, it was the term that was the issue.

We loved copp but trocheck is a far better player and the only difference was an extra 2 years of cap hit.

Drury made smart simple moves at the deadline, it was clear he understood the team needs, and filled them.
We lauded the moves he made, and they worked well.
Drury saw the playoff run, and realized we needed more center depth, and added trocheck who plays better than strome.

Im not saying drury is perfect, but assuming he's gonna go neil smith, seems a weird conclusion.
Are we not saying the same thing? Yes, Trocheck is a good player. Yes the term was too long. Instead of Trocheck, a 1/2 year deal 3rd line Centre would have been the more prudent move. Moving Chytil up to the 2nd Line. Also this then opens a spot on the #1 PP for one of kids.
If we happen to be in a playoff spot it’s not to much of a reach to believe Drury will be all in if he can work his way within the cap constraints.
If the signing of Vincent Trocheck for the term he received and the locking of the two top Centre spots isn’t an indication of where Drury’s mind set is, then I don’t know what to tell you. Last year he traded Buchnevich and the reason he gave was he didn’t want to block Kaapo or Alexis development. Yet this year he now is not concerned about blocking Chytil. Seems to me that he is more concerned about going for it rather then developing talent.
Gallant made it clear in a preseason interview that they would not be developing players this season. I doubt he would have made that statement without knowing Drury’s position.
 
Vince is absolutely crushing it in this segment.

Towards the end he just kind of ripped the org apart for deployment and how they wont trust the kids here. Pointed to the devils and made some comparisons in how the teams have similar ages but the devil's committed to the kids and let them grow into roles while the rangers won't take the chains off their own kids. Did a GREAT job
 
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It's so f***ing sad. 19th PP in the league, these guys should not be getting all this PP time. Clearly, it is not working. How about starting the other unit for once (fox instead of Trouba though).
Yeah, like once. What an idea.

Send the 2nd unit out first. Whats the worst that can happen?

They'll hear it from the bench 30 seconds in to come off anyway.
 
Edmonton has no depth at all on wing. Why are they trading a wing for a 4th line center?

I was thinking of cap space for them.

In terms of wingers right now:
Draisatl (he's a winger...)
Foegele
Hyman
Janmark
Holloway
Yamamoto

Epecially when Yamamoto comes back it's clear they don't trust Puljujaarvi.
 
Everyone constantly harps on development, but if you're excluding laf and kakko, then the rangers don't have a development issue.
Buch developed here, mika developed here. ck developed here.

The rangers actually have developed skilled players.

And the argument is "we have development guys who arent skilled players" well very few org's have skilled players in the development side, and the usual answer is because they typically can't teach the skill stuff, but the other stuff is still needed to round out a player and they can teach that. . Same reason gretzky was a bad coach, he couldnt teach the stuff he expected people to do.
This is fair. But interestingly enough, you picked 3 players that would not prove we are good at development of young players. Buch stayed in Russia and developed there until his 20s. Mika was acquired as an NHL player already. Kreider is the same as Buch but with the NCAA. One of the reasons I like NCAA players is cause they can develop for 4 years before they need to move to the pro game.

I don't think its a coincidence that our most successful draft picks are those that went a route to the pro game that was outside the sphere of influence that the Rangers can provide. NCAA, Europe, Russia. Also, typically lower picks that might not get the major hand-on approach that a high first rounder would.

Now, things could change. I have liked the types of picks we have been making under Drury. Tougher players to play against and faster. I think the org needs to keep drafting with this mentality. Stop being the nice guys and start winning hockey games.
Then what “poor drafting in high rounds” are you alluding to? They have drafted fine in the early rounds. If anything the poor drafting has been in rounds 4-7 where we should be swinging for the fences, not taking 20 year olds with limited offensive/defensive upside
I agree with that. I am not a huge fan of drafting a lot of overagers. But the team simply does not find enough game changing talent in the first round and the first round is where you need to find it. Its great to get lucky in the later rounds, but when you are picking in the top 32, you have to make it count. It's not a good look to ALWAYS have your top players coming from other teams, Z, Panarin, Fox, etc.

The team needs to get their hands on their own Zegras, Marner, Robertson, Pasternak, Backstrom, etc.. Chytil is good, and that's good, but we need some "Great". We need some "Superstar". And we need them making sub 10 million. Just giving another shitty huge contract to another aging Panarin is not the solution.
 
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"I try not to (worry) about what’s going to be," he said following Tuesday's practice at the MSG Training Center in Tarrytown. "If I’m going to play, I’ll try to put all my effort into the game. I know it’s hard, but I don’t think about it right now. I just try to stay positive."

"Of course, I want to play," Kravtsov told lohud.com, part of the USA TODAY Network. "But the coaches think I’m not doing enough, so I’m just going to practice until I’m ready. That’s all that I can do right now. I can’t control those other things."

Kravtsov was treading lightly with his responses to questions that are understandably difficult to answer. He's well-aware that he made waves by acting on his disappointment in years' past and has expressed regret about the way he handled it, particularly last season when he refused an assignment to AHL Hartford and returned home to Russia without the team's permission.

That's why, when asked if Gallant or anyone from the coaching staff has communicated reasons for his string of healthy scratches, he hesitated before admitting, "I don’t know what the situation is, but no one talked to me."

That lack of communication seems ill-advised given the shaky history between organization and player, but all indications are that Kravtsov has kept his head down without complaining.

He leans on teammate and fellow Russian Artemi Panarin for guidance.

"Bread helps me stay positive," he said. "I talk to him a lot about hockey, mental health – everything. I get big support from him."

That patience may finally pay off.

Three straight losses seem to have convinced Gallant to reinsert Kravtsov against the Senators on Wednesday. He practiced in the right-wing spot on the third line Tuesday, with Alexis Lafrenière at left wing and Ryan Carpenter in the middle. Vincent Trocheck sat out for maintenance reasons and will bump one of them out upon his return, but it appears Carpenter will be the guy.

It's an overdue decision for a team that's in a funk and in need of a jolt − and needs to find out if one of its top prospects can help.

"Just show us your skill," Gallant said of his message to Kravtsov. "Show us your talent. Show us your work ethic. We talk about what kind of players you want on our hockey team. We want them to play fast, we want them to play a 200-foot game, be responsible defensively and show us your talent."

Despite only appearing in six of 23 games so far this season, Kravtsov said the recent losing has weighed on him, as well. Watching without being able to make a difference brings its own kind of frustration.

Now he'll get to the chance to show whether or not he can be part of the solution.

"I’m part of the team," he said. "If the team loses and I don’t play, I lose, too. I don’t think about myself above the team. I think about the group. If I don’t play, and some of the other guys who don’t play – we still have to put our energy and effort into (helping). That’s what a team means."
 
This is fair. But interestingly enough, you picked 3 players that would not prove we are good at development of young players. Buch stayed in Russia and developed there until his 20s. Mika was acquired as an NHL player already. Kreider is the same as Buch but with the NCAA. One of the reasons I like NCAA players is cause they can develop for 4 years before they need to move to the pro game.

I don't think its a coincidence that our most successful draft picks are those that went a route to the pro game that was outside the sphere of influence that the Rangers can provide. NCAA, Europe, Russia. Also, typically lower picks that might not get the major hand-on approach that a high first rounder would.

Now, things could change. I have liked the types of picks we have been making under Drury. Tougher players to play against and faster. I think the org needs to keep drafting with this mentality. Stop being the nice guys and start winning hockey games.

I agree with that. I am not a huge fan of drafting a lot of overagers. But the team simply does not find enough game changing talent in the first round and the first round is where you need to find it. Its great to get lucky in the later rounds, but when you are picking in the top 32, you have to make it count. It's not a good look to ALWAYS have your top players coming from other teams, Z, Panarin, Fox, etc.

The team needs to get their hands on their own Zegras, Marner, Robertson, Pasternak, Backstrom, etc.. Chytil is good, and that's good, but we need some "Great". We need some "Superstar". And we need them making sub 10 million. Just giving another shitty huge contract to another aging Panarin is not the solution.
Mika jumped from .5 ppg when he arrived as a d+5 to a ppg, that’s a significant jump.
 
This is fair. But interestingly enough, you picked 3 players that would not prove we are good at development of young players. Buch stayed in Russia and developed there until his 20s. Mika was acquired as an NHL player already. Kreider is the same as Buch but with the NCAA. One of the reasons I like NCAA players is cause they can develop for 4 years before they need to move to the pro game.

I don't think its a coincidence that our most successful draft picks are those that went a route to the pro game that was outside the sphere of influence that the Rangers can provide. NCAA, Europe, Russia. Also, typically lower picks that might not get the major hand-on approach that a high first rounder would.

Now, things could change. I have liked the types of picks we have been making under Drury. Tougher players to play against and faster. I think the org needs to keep drafting with this mentality. Stop being the nice guys and start winning hockey games.

I agree with that. I am not a huge fan of drafting a lot of overagers. But the team simply does not find enough game changing talent in the first round and the first round is where you need to find it. Its great to get lucky in the later rounds, but when you are picking in the top 32, you have to make it count. It's not a good look to ALWAYS have your top players coming from other teams, Z, Panarin, Fox, etc.

The team needs to get their hands on their own Zegras, Marner, Robertson, Pasternak, Backstrom, etc.. Chytil is good, and that's good, but we need some "Great". We need some "Superstar". And we need them making sub 10 million. Just giving another shitty huge contract to another aging Panarin is not the solution.
I get it, its frustrating. I think we took a swing on Kravtsov hoping he would be that guy. But he completely busted.
 
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After the playoff run we had, no one thought the team shouldnt be all in.
We had a young core, we have a goalie on an unbelievable contract coming off a vezina season.
The kids looked poised to take the next step.
The vets (sans panarin) all looked very good in the playoffs until the tampa series.
We had the perfect situation and adding trocheck wasn't considered a bad move, no one disliked his cap hit or his add, it was the term that was the issue.

We loved copp but trocheck is a far better player and the only difference was an extra 2 years of cap hit.

Drury made smart simple moves at the deadline, it was clear he understood the team needs, and filled them.
We lauded the moves he made, and they worked well.
Drury saw the playoff run, and realized we needed more center depth, and added trocheck who plays better than strome.

Im not saying drury is perfect, but assuming he's gonna go neil smith, seems a weird conclusion.
Drury might have also sold the scenario to Dolan that we are currently in after the run last season and many of us thought this could happen easily enough.....regress for 2022-23 season and pick it up for the next season . Maybe it is all part of the big plan . Take a step back for the greater good of the franchise .

I for one do not want to see any first rounders shipped out at the deadline . We have too many holes that need filling and that can be filled from within over the next 2 seasons . No quick fixes needed at this time . Take the lumps and give a few in return for a change and start playing like we hate to lose.....don't take it so well .
 
Vince is absolutely crushing it in this segment.

Towards the end he just kind of ripped the org apart for deployment and how they wont trust the kids here. Pointed to the devils and made some comparisons in how the teams have similar ages but the devil's committed to the kids and let them grow into roles while the rangers won't take the chains off their own kids. Did a GREAT job
I tried listening. Marek said that Vince would be on at the bottom of the hour but after the interview with the guy who covers Arizona the feed ended and switched over to another non-hockey related podcast. Made several attempts.
 
Vince is absolutely crushing it in this segment.

Towards the end he just kind of ripped the org apart for deployment and how they wont trust the kids here. Pointed to the devils and made some comparisons in how the teams have similar ages but the devil's committed to the kids and let them grow into roles while the rangers won't take the chains off their own kids. Did a GREAT job
It would be great if he would actually ask these f***ing questions to Gallant, Drury, assistant coaches, development coaches. I don't care. Literally anyone in the Org, please, instead of constantly throwing f***ing softballs to these guys.
 
Honestly, if we keep losing and the vets keep getting banged up due to GG over-relying on them, they will make it to a point where only the kids will be healthy enough to play. But that will also mean the season may be gone by then. But yes, we need to rely on the kids more. Buuuuuuut, to do that, we need to actually have a tighter system so the kids have more puck support. Right now, it's a mixed bag in many zones with puck support and D coverage.
 
It would be great if he would actually ask these f***ing questions to Gallant, Drury, assistant coaches, development coaches. I don't care. Literally anyone in the Org, please, instead of constantly throwing f***ing softballs to these guys.
Has it occurred to you that if the reporters don't ask the lab questions then they might be denied preferential access? That's the problem. The organization is under no requirement to give all of these people access. Sure, it could be spun into bad PR, but the majority of people would just tune in to listen to the answers from whoever was still granted access. It's a balancing act for the reporters of not pissing the organization off too much but then also trying to extract some information for readers/listeners

I tried listening. Marek said that Vince would be on at the bottom of the hour but after the interview with the guy who covers Arizona the feed ended and switched over to another non-hockey related podcast. Made several attempts.
That's weird, were you listening live or listening to the recorded version on an app? I was listening to it live
 
Drury might have also sold the scenario to Dolan that we are currently in after the run last season and many of us thought this could happen easily enough.....regress for 2022-23 season and pick it up for the next season . Maybe it is all part of the big plan . Take a step back for the greater good of the franchise .

I for one do not want to see any first rounders shipped out at the deadline . We have too many holes that need filling and that can be filled from within over the next 2 seasons . No quick fixes needed at this time . Take the lumps and give a few in return for a change and start playing like we hate to lose.....don't take it so well
Has it occurred to you that if the reporters don't ask the lab questions then they might be denied preferential access? That's the problem. The organization is under no requirement to give all of these people access. Sure, it could be spun into bad PR, but the majority of people would just tune in to listen to the answers from whoever was still granted access. It's a balancing act for the reporters of not pissing the organization off too much but then also trying to extract some information for readers/listeners


That's weird, were you listening live or listening to the recorded version on an app? I was listening to it live
On the apple app. Maybe been prerecorded I’m guessing.
 
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