Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[RangerBoy]

Panarin has three more seasons remaining on his contract. The last year is $8M. $7M in signing bonus money. The Rangers pay the bonus(assuming sometime in July 2025). Panarin is a $1M player. Summer of 2025. Panarin will have the NMC. $11,642,857 cap hit. His salary is so cheap. The Rangers tell him they aren’t bringing you back in 2026. Do you want to go somewhere else because we want to move on? The cap should be $92M by that summer unless the Bally's deal is the latest NHL development to prevent the cap increase. $1M this summer. Get him off the roster.

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[TD]YEAR[/TD]
[TD]POSSIBLE SALARY CAP[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]2022-23
[/TD]

[TD]$82.5 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[TD]$83.5 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2024-25[/TD]
[TD]$87.5 million - $88 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2025-26[/TD]
[TD]Approximately $92 million[/TD]
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NHL preparing teams for sharp salary cap increase over next three seasons

The NHL salary cap rose for the first time in three seasons this year, setting at $82.5 million for 2022-23. And as the league returns to normalcy, that number should rise considerably more in the coming yearts.

www.sportsnet.ca

Trade Kreider in the summer of 2024. Three years left at that time. He will have just $15M remaining in salary. 15 NTC list in 24 from a full NMC. The Rangers will have other players to re-sign in 24. Kreider will still be a productive player.

 

[kovazub94]

Blais hadn't scored a goal in an actual game since May 2021. Now he has 4 within a week. Whether he bounces back or not that has to be a big relief for him. Hopefully he can carry some momentum through to his next NHL game.

The reason he went to Hartford was to get his confidence that he could bring back more than anything. This part of the process should be deemed a success.

We’ve seen that margins between being effective or not are so small so hopefully this is all he needed. This is why I think depth (Motte) this season might be less of an issue. Gauthiere has taken a step forward, Vesey has been good and if Blais is back - this would be three pieces that weren’t here around the last TDL. Find someone who can hang on with Panarin - Zibanejad and LD depth and call it a day.

 

[Bruner4329]

Panarin has three more seasons remaining on his contract. The last year is $8M. $7M in signing bonus money. The Rangers pay the bonus(assuming sometime in July 2025). Panarin is a $1M player. Summer of 2025. Panarin will have the NMC. $11,642,857 cap hit. His salary is so cheap. The Rangers tell him they aren’t bringing you back in 2026. Do you want to go somewhere else because we want to move on? The cap should be $92M by that summer unless the Bally's deal is the latest NHL development to prevent the cap increase. $1M this summer. Get him off the roster.

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[TR]
[TD]YEAR[/TD]
[TD]POSSIBLE SALARY CAP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]

[TD]$82.5 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[TD]$83.5 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2024-25[/TD]
[TD]$87.5 million - $88 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2025-26[/TD]
[TD]Approximately $92 million[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

NHL preparing teams for sharp salary cap increase over next three seasons

The NHL salary cap rose for the first time in three seasons this year, setting at $82.5 million for 2022-23. And as the league returns to normalcy, that number should rise considerably more in the coming yearts.

www.sportsnet.ca

Trade Kreider in the summer of 2024. Three years left at that time. He will have just $15M remaining in salary. 15 NTC list in 24 from a full NMC. The Rangers will have other players to re-sign in 24. Kreider will still be a productive player.

And why would we trade a productive player? More importantly you are speculating that the supposed young replacements turn the corner and start producing at a similar pace. At this point you can't really make that call.

 

[bobbop]

Panarin comes down to this; 1. Is he starting that long slow decline? The numbers certainly raise that possibility. 2. Is he going to be productive in the playoffs? Drury was not happy last year. He would be even more so if this happened again this year.

 

[GAGLine]

Personally for LT core piece (not a rental) I would be more than ok moving out Othmann. He has some obvious limitations as a prospect and the NYR track record developing forwards is becoming too much to overlook when thinking about trades.

Have seen multiple discussions of moving Chytil. The way he is producing at 23 with no PP time is nothing short of outstanding. Moving Chytil would be the definition of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Would be a big mistake IMO.

The irony here is delicious.

this dumbfounds me.
I can't imagine a way in which removing Panarin make this group (plus something) harder to beat

Perhaps you lack imagination? What does Panarin actually do that makes us hard to beat? He doesn't play in the dirty areas. He doesn't win board battles. He doesn't play defense. He turns the puck over a lot. The only thing he does well is put up points, but we can easily find someone else to put up the same points for less money.

 

[Fitzy]

The last flat cap got us Vinny Prospal cheap off a buyout.

Would love to see some similar good fortune this offseason.

 

[DanielBrassard]

He's not a good player

 

[Mac n Gs]

He's not a good player

I know, but it’s funny that people wanted to trade assets for him and now he’s available for free. He’s another overrated player that people think is good because he hits

 

[Synergy27]

this dumbfounds me.
I can't imagine a way in which removing Panarin make this group (plus something) harder to beat

I mean, Timo Meier is currently a better player than Panarin by almost every meaningful metric, plays a position we need more, AND should be cheaper allowing for more depth to be added to the roster.

I understand that this is pipe dream thinking given the contract, but I think many of you guys have yet to realize that 2023 Panarin is a much different player than 2020-21 Panarin. It’s not just a matter of him making bad turnovers and a perceived overall laziness. There is still this hope that Panarin just picks it up again, but while I concede that that may happen, I think it’s more likely that he just gets worse from here on out.

 

[Avery16]

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I mean, Timo Meier is currently a better player than Panarin by almost every meaningful metric, plays a position we need more, AND should be cheaper allowing for more depth to be added to the roster.

I understand that this is pipe dream thinking given the contract, but I think many of you guys have yet to realize that 2023 Panarin is a much different player than 2020-21 Panarin. It’s not just a matter of him making bad turnovers and a perceived overall laziness. There is still this hope that Panarin just picks it up again, but while I concede that that may happen, I think it’s more likely that he just gets worse from here on out.

But it isn't Panarin for Meier. Its Panarin (plus whatever it takes to move him) for Meier (minus whatever it takes to acquire him). The parentheticals here probably make it a net loss for us.

 

[Trxjw]

It would have to be in the mold of a Gaborik to Columbus deal that netted pretty evenly in salary and helped round out the depth that team badly needed. I’d imagine they’d want to target a team that can fit Panarin and try to take back money at LHD - someone at a similar price point like a Chiarot or an Oleksiak (not these players specifically, just a similar contract structure); maybe Krug?

Add another contract to balance salary, a prospect, and a pick and you can fill out the depth we need and add some future pieces. It’s definitely a lot more difficult to do in practice, but I think that would be the end goal for a move like that

It's certainly what makes the most sense. They're not getting full value back but that's okay if you can add a guy like Meier for the right package of futures. Gaborik trade gave us depth where we needed it and we were able to turn Brassard into one of the best trades of the last 10 years.

Idk what team would be looking for him at full rate, but hopefully there's something out there.

 

[JohnC]

Meier just doesn't work without moving a large contract somewhere. They're not going to trade Trouba on the heels of giving him the captaincy. Can squeeze an extension for Meier by trading Kreider but that's going to make a number of players very unhappy.

Panarin has to be the one to go. It's clear as day that he's the piece that does not fit. I just don't think Drury has the guts to do it.

I think he has the guts to do it, I just don’t a) know if I’d trust him to pull it off and b) see a way to make it work with the cap. I’d imagine any team that can afford to take on the contract is on the no-trade list.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Panarin comes down to this; 1. Is he starting that long slow decline? The numbers certainly raise that possibility. 2. Is he going to be productive in the playoffs? Drury was not happy last year. He would be even more so if this happened again this year.

I dont get why people dont think this is more of a possibility than wishful thinking. I know the cap hit is high but in the offseason if Panarin continues his downward play and lack of being visible in a good way in the playoffs, i can see Drury moving him.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I dont get why people dont think this is more of a possibility than wishful thinking. I know the cap hit is high but in the offseason if Panarin continues his downward play and lack of being visible in a good way in the playoffs, i can see Drury moving him.

It's not only the downward trend that's the problem....opponents have become more adept at taking away his game....one of the biggest reasons he didn't produce in the playoffs is because opponents didn't give him the room to operate and they clogged the passing lanes. I'm sure Drury was as pissed as most of us were watching him refuse (and or was unable) to adjust -- he continued to try and force the issue. The trend has continued thru this season and, honestly, I don't see any signs of him changing.

As for those of you who think Rangers will not trade Trouba if given a chance because he's the captain: history suggests otherwise....look what happened to the last two who were definitely more popular with the fans than him.

 

[Trxjw]

I think he has the guts to do it, I just don’t a) know if I’d trust him to pull it off and b) see a way to make it work with the cap. I’d imagine any team that can afford to take on the contract is on the no-trade list.

I thus far don't have any reason not to trust Drury. The Buchnevich trade I can at least see the thought process behind it even if it's looking to have been a bad gamble. Beyond that he's made solid choices throughout his realm of responsibility.

I think the trade list will be less of an issue if Drury can make the point that they want to move on from Panarin. Players don't really like staying in an org where they know the GM is going to be hounding them about leaving.

 

[Synergy27]

But it isn't Panarin for Meier. Its Panarin (plus whatever it takes to move him) for Meier (minus whatever it takes to acquire him). The parentheticals here probably make it a net loss for us.

Yeah, this assumes that he has negative value because of his contract. I don’t know that he does, because he’s, well, Artemi Panarin.

The hypothetical I keep coming back to is whether or not a retained Panarin is worth more in a trade than an RFA Meier. I don’t know the answer to this question.

I assume SJ moves Karlsson and could therefore afford to retain on Panarin. I’m viewing SJ as an intermediary in the deal here, with Meier coming back to us with the assumption that SK then subsequently retains on Panarin to get more than they would have gotten for Meier.

The whole basis for this idea might somlly be wrong. I don’t know how a retained Panarin is valued around the league.

I do know that I want him (and his salary) off the team yesterday.

 

[GAGLine]

As for those of you who think Rangers will not trade Trouba if given a chance because he's the captain: history suggests otherwise....look what happened to the last two who were definitely more popular with the fans than him.

The Rangers haven't be averse to trading their captains, but not after 1 year. Callahan was captain from 2011-14 and McDonagh was captain from 2014-2018. The odds of the Rangers trading Trouba this summer are pretty slim.

 

[huerter]

So whether it's Panarin or Judge or Correa, etc, when people say we'll live with the back end of the deal, they are full of S?

 

[Deleted member 23124]

The Rangers haven't be averse to trading their captains, but not after 1 year. Callahan was captain from 2011-14 and McDonagh was captain from 2014-2018. The odds of the Rangers trading Trouba this summer are pretty slim.

I get what you're saying, but I still think they'd do it if the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Trxjw]

The Rangers haven't be averse to trading their captains, but not after 1 year. Callahan was captain from 2011-14 and McDonagh was captain from 2014-2018. The odds of the Rangers trading Trouba this summer are pretty slim.

Yeah, kind of hard to envision them dealing the guy 7 months after giving him the C. Very different situation from the previous captains. They're probably not visiting Trouba as a trade option until they're on the eve of the NTC options kicking in.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Re Panarin - I’m thinking something big with Floridai involving Reinhardt and Forsling? Maybe we eat a little of his salary. He’s ruzzian, he won’t be able to resist the lure

 

[NYR Viper]

The last flat cap got us Vinny Prospal cheap off a buyout.

Would love to see some similar good fortune this offseason.

I truly think if the team could find $4-5m in cap space they could very conceivably find a couple of really good veteran players to add in the offseason.

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin comes down to this; 1. Is he starting that long slow decline? The numbers certainly raise that possibility. 2. Is he going to be productive in the playoffs? Drury was not happy last year. He would be even more so if this happened again this year.

Decline is not age related IMO. It's money and lifestyle related

Someone needs to put pressure on him. Let Drury be the bad guy.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Bread Derangement Syndrome runs rampant. Some of your brains are literally fried by your irrational hatred of the greatest forward in Ranger history.

 

[kovazub94]

Yeah, kind of hard to envision them dealing the guy 7 months after giving him the C. Very different situation from the previous captains. They're probably not visiting Trouba as a trade option until they're on the eve of the NTC options kicking in.

Yup, if anny it’s more indicative about who’d be the earlier to move between him and Kreider (and maybe Goodrow).