Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[RGY]

Remember in July when Trocheck was supposed to put us over the top. Now people want to dump more of the cap into another player that will magically put us over the top, instead of allocating the time and effort into making sure our 1 and 2 overall picks are the ones that put us over the top, like every other previous Cup champion has done.

Who said Trocheck would put us over the top?

 

[xsniper11x]

This was my fear when Isles added Horvat and if Devils do indeed get Meier. Just on the Dolan factor alone, it could cause Drury to do something pretty dumb in the near future that would really set this team back.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Who said Trocheck would put us over the top?

People said he’d fix our center depth as he is a 2c. They also said he’d fix Panarin and make the line more defensively responsible.

The center depth has been fixed mostly because Chytil has gone off. And trocheck is a 2c so we are strong down the middle. The problem is he and Panarin have zero chemistry.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

We should sell

 

[EdJovanovski]

We should sell

the team

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Personally for LT core piece (not a rental) I would be more than ok moving out Othmann. He has some obvious limitations as a prospect and the NYR track record developing forwards is becoming too much to overlook when thinking about trades.

Have seen multiple discussions of moving Chytil. The way he is producing at 23 with no PP time is nothing short of outstanding. Moving Chytil would be the definition of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Would be a big mistake IMO.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Personally for LT core piece (not a rental) I would be more than ok moving out Othmann. He has some obvious limitations as a prospect and the NYR track record developing forwards is becoming too much to overlook when thinking about trades.

Have seen multiple discussions of moving Chytil. The way he is producing at 23 with no PP time is nothing short of outstanding. Moving Chytil would be the definition of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Would be a big mistake IMO.

Especially for the sake of argument he went to SJ for Meier and they were able to make it work long-term. Othmann would be behind Kreider, Panarin, and Lafreniere on the left and Kakko and Meier on the right for atleast 2 years. Totally with you on Fil, trading him would be really tough to stomach.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Othmann would move to the off wing for a season or two and/or start on the lower lines.

Kreider may permanently be on the third line by next year if he doesn't start cashing in on some of those deflections.

When Othmann's ELC is up, he has either or will have a larger role.

Drury drafted forwards haven't had the chance to really play with the big club so far. All very young.

Once again, the fourth line next year is going to be some combo of Cullye/Othmann/Edstrom/Gauthier with Leshyschun getting the first crack at center. Those guys are on ELCs. If any start producing, then it will push Vesey and Kreider down on the depth chart. Some may start in Hartford.

It's either ELCs or bargain bin signings to fill out the roster next season baring a giant trade. There's factually no other way.

 

[Synergy27]

Especially for the sake of argument he went to SJ for Meier and they were able to make it work long-term. Othmann would be behind Kreider, Panarin, and Lafreniere on the left and Kakko and Meier on the right for atleast 2 years. Totally with you on Fil, trading him would be really tough to stomach.

This is something I harp on constantly, but there for sure comes a point when “best player available” is simply not the right answer at the draft table. Besides the ridiculously high probability that you are simply wrong about who BPA is, it’s just a fact that certain positions are more important than others, AND you should consider your roster and prospect depth positionally when making these decisions.

I really like Othmann. I think he plays the game the right way to succeed in the NHL.

I would much rather have Wyatt Johnston, or Chaz Lucius, and maybe even someone like Pinelli for the Rangers right now.

Put me in the GM job and I am taking the C every time unless the gap between the W and the C is large enough to be measured in astronomical units.

Probably not the right place to bring this up but whatever.

 

[Trxjw]

Blais hadn't scored a goal in an actual game since May 2021. Now he has 4 within a week. Whether he bounces back or not that has to be a big relief for him. Hopefully he can carry some momentum through to his next NHL game.

 

[Mac n Gs]

 

[Mandar]

Remember in July when Trocheck was supposed to put us over the top. Now people want to dump more of the cap into another player that will magically put us over the top, instead of allocating the time and effort into making sure our 1 and 2 overall picks are the ones that put us over the top, like every other previous Cup champion has done.

Yeah, but do you think that Laffy should be on PP1?

 

[effen]

This is something I harp on constantly, but there for sure comes a point when “best player available” is simply not the right answer at the draft table. Besides the ridiculously high probability that you are simply wrong about who BPA is, it’s just a fact that certain positions are more important than others, AND you should consider your roster and prospect depth positionally when making these decisions.

I really like Othmann. I think he plays the game the right way to succeed in the NHL.

I would much rather have Wyatt Johnston, or Chaz Lucius, and maybe even someone like Pinelli for the Rangers right now.

Put me in the GM job and I am taking the C every time unless the gap between the W and the C is large enough to be measured in astronomical units.

Probably not the right place to bring this up but whatever.

LA did that with centers and it has failed spectacularly. They're gonna lose at least 2 this coming year for nothing.

 

[RGY]

They couldnt move him for a late pick? Yikes

 

[Trxjw]

Meier just doesn't work without moving a large contract somewhere. They're not going to trade Trouba on the heels of giving him the captaincy. Can squeeze an extension for Meier by trading Kreider but that's going to make a number of players very unhappy.

Panarin has to be the one to go. It's clear as day that he's the piece that does not fit. I just don't think Drury has the guts to do it.

 

[Vitto79]

My Red Wings buddy said meh to most Wings UFAs like Erne

2 million . Only a team W space could grab him

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

They couldnt move him for a late pick? Yikes

The cap is ruining the sport

 

[Deleted member 23124]

the OWNER

Duly corrected.

 

[cheech70]

Meier just doesn't work without moving a large contract somewhere. They're not going to trade Trouba on the heels of giving him the captaincy. Can squeeze an extension for Meier by trading Kreider but that's going to make a number of players very unhappy.

Panarin has to be the one to go. It's clear as day that he's the piece that does not fit. I just don't think Drury has the guts to do it.

Bird in hand worth 2 in the bush....Othmann has the potential to be Timo...Timo is already Timo....its a no-brainer because of Timo's age...you step up for a player like this....Get somebody from TBL to help with cap if Drury can't figure it out

 

[Mac n Gs]

Meier just doesn't work without moving a large contract somewhere. They're not going to trade Trouba on the heels of giving him the captaincy. Can squeeze an extension for Meier by trading Kreider but that's going to make a number of players very unhappy.

Panarin has to be the one to go. It's clear as day that he's the piece that does not fit. I just don't think Drury has the guts to do it.

It would have to be in the mold of a Gaborik to Columbus deal that netted pretty evenly in salary and helped round out the depth that team badly needed. I’d imagine they’d want to target a team that can fit Panarin and try to take back money at LHD - someone at a similar price point like a Chiarot or an Oleksiak (not these players specifically, just a similar contract structure); maybe Krug?

Add another contract to balance salary, a prospect, and a pick and you can fill out the depth we need and add some future pieces. It’s definitely a lot more difficult to do in practice, but I think that would be the end goal for a move like that

 

[RangerBoy]

Buyers market. So many teams have no cap space. The national media guys operate like the NHL has no salary cap. The Leafs are getting everyone but they don't have a pot to piss in.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Meier is NOT happening. If he is, it means Drury and Dolan don't think this team is close to anything. Let me explain why:

To acquire Meier: Jones, 2023 1st, Chytil (or similar. SJ ask is a roster player, prospect + 1st)

or:

Jones, 2023 1st, BMB/Kravy/Cuylle + 1 more piece.

SJ to retain a portion of the salary, so NYR can add other pieces this season.

Keep in mind, if we only give up Kravy or another non-roster prospect, it means we really have to move A LOT OF salary in the offseason to keep Meier.

After this season, if you ADD ~8.5m AAV x 7 for Meier, this is what else has to happen:

We currently have 16m in cap space to sign 8 players starting in 23-24. Adding Meier means you have 7.5m to sign 7 players. Not going to happen. Esp when Laffy, Miller and Chytil have to be signed.

So who else has to leave IN ADDITION to to the pieces we gave up in the trade? Panarin, Kreider and Trouba are all on no moves. So, how many other players do we have to lose to accommodate Meier?

Chytil + Goody? Lindgren + Goody + Laffy? That would add up to about right.

So for Meier, the full cost is actually:

Jones, 1st, Cuylle, ~ a 2nd, Chytil, Goody

Or

Jones, 1st, Cuylle, a 2nd, Lindgren, Goody, Laffy

And we'd not get fair value in return for the players we need to move for cap reasons. But here's the real rub. Whoever you remove, you need to replace in the lineup. Are we finding a 2C for under 2m AAV? How bout a top 4D?

Bringing in Meier likely leaves us with a team with a lot of holes and no money or young/cheap depth to fill them.

The only other way you can make this work is by getting Kreider or Panarin to waive their NMCs. Again, pennies on the dollar in return.

You can keep talking about Meier all you want. But unless Panarin gets moved (not happening), I don't see this making any sense.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Meier is NOT happening. If he is, it means Drury and Dolan don't think this team is close to anything. Let me explain why:

To acquire Meier: Jones, 2023 1st, Chytil (or similar. SJ ask is a roster player, prospect + 1st)

or:

Jones, 2023 1st, BMB/Kravy/Cuylle + 1 more piece.

SJ to retain a portion of the salary, so NYR can add other pieces this season.

Keep in mind, if we only give up Kravy or another non-roster prospect, it means we really have to move A LOT OF salary in the offseason to keep Meier.

After this season, if you ADD ~8.5m AAV x 7 for Meier, this is what else has to happen:

We currently have 16m in cap space to sign 8 players starting in 23-24. Adding Meier means you have 7.5m to sign 7 players. Not going to happen. Esp when Laffy, Miller and Chytil have to be signed.

So who else has to leave IN ADDITION to to the pieces we gave up in the trade? Panarin, Kreider and Trouba are all on no moves. So, how many other players do we have to lose to accommodate Meier?

Chytil + Goody? Lindgren + Goody + Laffy? That would add up to about right.

So for Meier, the full cost is actually:

Jones, 1st, Cuylle, ~ a 2nd, Chytil, Goody

Or

Jones, 1st, Cuylle, a 2nd, Lindgren, Goody, Laffy

And we'd not get fair value in return for the players we need to move for cap reasons. But here's the real rub. Whoever you remove, you need to replace in the lineup. Are we finding a 2C for under 2m AAV? How bout a top 4D?

Bringing in Meier likely leaves us with a team with a lot of holes and no money or young/cheap depth to fill them.

The only other way you can make this work is by getting Kreider or Panarin to waive their NMCs. Again, pennies on the dollar in return.

You can keep talking about Meier all you want. But unless Panarin gets moved (not happening), I don't see this making any sense.

I get the point, but you’re over thinking it.

 

[cwede]

... Panarin has to be the one to go. It's clear as day that he's the piece that does not fit...

this dumbfounds me.
I can't imagine a way in which removing Panarin make this group (plus something) harder to beat

 

[Deleted member 23124]

The key to all of these fantasy scenarios is that one of the high salaried players must go. The reality is that all of them have NMCs.

So, the real question is: how do you convince them to waive the clause?