Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[bl02]

Trading for Kane is such a Slats thing to do and the Rangers will set themselves back because of it.

The window is open, keep it open as wide as possible. Keep the firsts, possibly package them together to move up a bit and find a faller in a deep draft. Who knows, maybe you strike gold there and the kid is in the lineup in 2-3 years instead of chasing your tail every year.

I'd rather take that shot then bring in an aging superstar who needs hip surgery, will make this team worse 5on5 and will cost a ton of futures.

I think this makes a lot of sense. With likes of Miller, Fox, Kakko, Shesty (Hopefully more than 2-3 more years), Chytil, Lafreniere (hopefully), Zibby (still young) that is still a very good base for the next 6 plus years. Still need to keep first round picks and add cost controlled players.

 

[JohnC]

Panarin reportedly wants to play with Kane.

This alone makes Kane worth less than future considerations.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Panarin is not waiving his no move, give up the fantasy already. Gonna have to deal with him and his cap hit until his contract is up.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Do you know what a Devils Advocate is? And are you going to share any more info from your daily cup of coffee with Drury since you so emphatically know exactly what's going to happen?

It's ok that someone as a devil's advocate point bring up someone that could on paper be a Cap casualty candidate. I love Lindgren too, but whether you like it or not, he's the 4th most important defensemen at best on the team. And we have no idea what he will ask for salary wise, and if he will realistically see it as a possible payday. I hope he wants to take a cheap contract that conveniently takes him to 28-30. We have no idea

There are a lot of variables. As I said in my post anyways, I think it's more likely that Goodrow is an attractive tradeable asset to another team in the offseason.

A cap casualty is a not a top 4 defenseman making 3m per a year going out the door. Who is taking his place? We just seriously weakened our defense and Gallant wont play Jones and Robertson. SO we dont know what we have in them yet and to thrust them into a top four role next year is just wishful thinking. Ben Harpur move up in the lineup youre just creating a more massive hole to our team. WHo are we signing for dirt cheap to take his place? It aint Key, you need him on the 2nd unit with someone who can cover for him defensively while he does his thing offensively. Even if you do that, you still have a massive hole on the 2nd defensive unit and so on. Who cares if he is the so called 4th defenseman by youre standard. I think he isonly less important than Fox and Key. Ill put him on par with or above Trouba. Look at the playoffs and tell me Lindy isnt one of the MOST important players to our team. WHat a great move as a cap casualty lol.

He doesnt score a ton of points and that is what gets people MONEY in this league. Im willing to bet everything i have that Lindgrens next contract will come at 4m per. What makes you think he will make more than that? a 3 year by 4m contract that takes him to 30 years old is the perfect structure and length for him. Barely adds anything to the books besides taking away an extra forward making the vet minumum.

But yes sure lets play devils advocate. You just tossed Lindy. How are YOU replacing him?

 

[duhmetreE]

Great until he got hurt?

Panarin has looked like hot ass for most of the last 2 seasons.

Panarin looked good to end last season, without Strome. He looked like dogshit in the Playoffs. Looked good to start the season and now has turned back into his weaker form.

That player is still there.

He's still capable of being a top5 player in the world.

Its imperative for the org to get him back to that player. Start putting pressure on him. I'd be telling him straight up, we can't win if you're playing like this. We know you're capable of more.

 

[Lion Hound]

Panarin is not waiving his no move, give up the fantasy already. Gonna have to deal with him and his cap hit until his contract is up.

This is one of those posts that wont age well.

All it takes is a bad stretch of games. An early playoff exit. Maybe some bad press. I demotion off a Power Play etc. Players leave teams. Sometimes its a fresh stat thing. I don't think he finishes his career as a NY Ranger. After the cap increases, there will be options on where they can move him.

Of all of the big contracts on this team, I think it's him that is one of the first to go elsewhere.

 

[duhmetreE]

am I the only one that wants to just go the way of 'old school' rentals.

Add Tank
Add Gavrikov ( not if he costs a 1st )
Add Motte

call it a TDL.

Gavrikov is the perfect add but what are teams going to pay? If we're giving up a 1st, I'm adding and going for Chychrun instead.

 

[bl02]

am I the only one that wants to just go the way of 'old school' rentals.

Add Tank
Add Gavrikov ( not if he costs a 1st )
Add Motte

call it a TDL.

Gavrikov is the perfect add but what are teams going to pay? If we're giving up a 1st, I'm adding and going for Chychrun instead.

All depends on cost. I would be fine with those three but I am not paying up multiple firsts and a guy like Cuylle.
IDK a 4th or 5th rounder for Motte? 2024 2nd for Tarasenko (becomes a first if we win cup) with a prospect (have no idea who but not Cuylle/Othmann/Sykora/Garand). Have no idea what Gavrikov is worth but not giving up a first for him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

This is one of those posts that wont age well.

All it takes is a bad stretch of games. An early playoff exit. Maybe some bad press. I demotion off a Power Play etc. Players leave teams. Sometimes its a fresh stat thing. I don't think he finishes his career as a NY Ranger. After the cap increases, there will be options on where they can move him.

Of all of the big contracts on this team, I think it's him that is one of the first to go elsewhere.

We'll see but I'm pretty confident that is how it will play out. I think Trouba is much more likely to go before Panarin and potentially Kreider. Not until their nmc turns into a ntc though.

 

[McRanger92]

am I the only one that wants to just go the way of 'old school' rentals.

Add Tank
Add Gavrikov ( not if he costs a 1st )
Add Motte

call it a TDL.

Gavrikov is the perfect add but what are teams going to pay? If we're giving up a 1st, I'm adding and going for Chychrun instead.

Im fine with straight rentals. As down as the team seems to be on Krav or Jones, there's more value to letting them develop even if they arent in the lineup everyday. I'm fine with trading picks, we all know Drury isn't going to trade both firsts. Krav, Gauthier, Othmann, Cuylle, Berard are all going to be gunning for spots in the lineup in the near future, thats how the Rangers will fill out the rest of their roster beyond this year once they re-up their RFAs.

 

[Lion Hound]

Panarin reportedly wants to play with Kane. Wonderful. Kane will be a free agent this summer. We don't know where he will sign but Drury knows where Panarin will waive his NMC to play with Kane again. I heard on a podcast(Serevalli)months ago that Kane doesn't want to change teams twice. He doesn’t want to be traded to team X on March 3 and sign with another team in July. He wants a contract extension as part of the trade. Kane will eventually need hip surgery. He can delay the surgery for after the season but it will bleed into next season. Any team signing him in the summer will probably not have Kane ready for the start of camp or the season. Hip surgery isn't easy to recover from.

There was a time where I thought Kane to NY at the deadline was a certainty. When the Rangers played the Hawks, Panarin and Kane were chatting in the pre game. Shooting pucks at each other and whatnot. I felt like I was watching the Trouba/Copp bromance all over again. Sam and Joe were all over it.

At the time, i was thinking this is all but a done deal, and I was worrying about the trade itself and what they were giving up. After Tocchet's comments in a game on ESPN about Kane being injured, and then other "Insiders" mentioning Kane hip issues i was thinking Drury is going to stay away. One of the NYR beat writers also mentioned it unlikely. Maybe Vince?

I do think the Rangers are his preferred destination. If Kane doesn't want to be traded 2x, he should opt for the surgery now or when the Hawks are officially out of the playoffs.

In the off season the Rangers will not have a lot of money at all. I don't think its out of the question for Kane to take a rediculously low contract to come here where these indications seems to lead him to. Kane's made $114 Million during his career. 6th highest paid player all time. He has a career in hockey when this is over if he wants that. Is money going to drive the bus where Kane wants to go? I don't think so. Ending his career in NY would mean he's played for 2 clubs both Orginial 6 franchises.

If not at the deadline, during free agency, I think he's coming here. I think it will be a stunner for what he signs for. Maybe he comes at the deadline. He controls much of the situation. If there truly is a 3 team list, what are those 3 clubs and what are they offering?

 

[redwhiteandblue]

A cap casualty is a not a top 4 defenseman making 3m per a year going out the door. Who is taking his place? We just seriously weakened our defense and Gallant wont play Jones and Robertson. SO we dont know what we have in them yet and to thrust them into a top four role next year is just wishful thinking. Ben Harpur move up in the lineup youre just creating a more massive hole to our team. WHo are we signing for dirt cheap to take his place? It aint Key, you need him on the 2nd unit with someone who can cover for him defensively while he does his thing offensively. Even if you do that, you still have a massive hole on the 2nd defensive unit and so on. Who cares if he is the so called 4th defenseman by youre standard. I think he isonly less important than Fox and Key. Ill put him on par with or above Trouba. Look at the playoffs and tell me Lindy isnt one of the MOST important players to our team. WHat a great move as a cap casualty lol.

He doesnt score a ton of points and that is what gets people MONEY in this league. Im willing to bet everything i have that Lindgrens next contract will come at 4m per. What makes you think he will make more than that? a 3 year by 4m contract that takes him to 30 years old is the perfect structure and length for him. Barely adds anything to the books besides taking away an extra forward making the vet minumum.

But yes sure lets play devils advocate. You just tossed Lindy. How are YOU replacing him?

Again, I'm not lobbying to get rid of him. I'm not sure it's 'my standards' that he is the 4th most important D on the team. He had a chance to be captain and clearly lost that race to Trouba, like it or not. I understand everything you repeat on end about his style of play, lack of it throughout our lineup, and for how much he does it. This is a roster building thread, I never claimed to move him in season. If anything, we are musing about solutions in the off-season.

Thinking there aren't players like Lindgren around the league, that we could maybe move prospects and picks for to a similar guy on an ELC or at the beginning of a cost-controlled deal similar to Lindys.. or that said player could be targeted in a return if they decide to move another player in a subsequent move. There's so many ways to go about restructuring this roster.

That's fine if you feel comfortable wagering the proverbial nothing online lol, it's fine we're just chatting. He very well may say "give me $3.5 mil a year to play with Fox", he just as well may get lowballed by us and then say "f*** it, I should get my payday". You and I both don't know. A 4m contract that takes him to 30 is a perfect contract for one party, not sure why you think that automatically goes both ways?

I love Lindy as much as every other Ranger fan, but I'm not sure why you're so defensive about a hypothetical if he was moved? If the team (and Drury has proven to go by his beat, whether people like it or not) decides that it could replace the same snarl with a young hungry kid not getting his due elsewhere, and he can parlay moving Lindgren a year early in his eyes before disaster, I'm sure he'd do that. But you and I don't know.

And again, I'm fine with a back and forth, I'm engaging for a reason.... but let me say yet again that I'm not trying to move Lindy lol. It's just not as concrete as every (rightfully so) Lindgren-loving Ranger fan says that he is going to be the most team-friendly perfectly-timed deal this franchise has had in a while, balking at an absolute once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make money.

Anything can happen...

 

[RangerBoy]

Did Frank Seravalli take math in school? He said Meier will cost 9M-$10M AAV in 7-8 year deal. Frank said the Rangers like Meier and teams view him as a long-term guy. The Rangers can't afford that contract. He doesn’t discuss how the Rangers will pay Meier. Madness. He said Meier will cost less than DeBrincat because DeBrincat had another season remaining before becoming a restricted free agent.

How do the Rangers afford that contract? Maybe Frank can tell us how the Rangers can create the space.

It's the same thing with Kadri last summer. The Rangers love Kadri's compete. How do they afford him? They couldn’t afford Kadri.

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[McRanger92]

Did Frank Seravalli take math in school? He said Meier will cost for $9M-$10M in 7-8 year deal. Frank said the Rangers like Meier and teams view him as a long-term guy. The Rangers can't afford that contract. He doesn’t discuss how the Rangers will pay Meier. Madness. He said Meier will cost less than DeBrincat because DeBrincat had another season remaining before becoming a restricted free agent.

How do the Rangers afford that contract? Maybe Frank can tell us how the Rangers can create the space. .

Maybe he knows something we dont? He's not the only one who has mentioned Meier to the Rangers

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Did Frank Seravalli take math in school? He said Meier will cost for $9M-$10M in 7-8 year deal. Frank said the Rangers like Meier and teams view him as a long-term guy. The Rangers can't afford that contract. He doesn’t discuss how the Rangers will pay Meier. Madness. He said Meier will cost less than DeBrincat because DeBrincat had another season remaining before becoming a restricted free agent.

How do the Rangers afford that contract? Maybe Frank can tell us how the Rangers can create the space. .

Im currently en route to Florida with a lead pipe.

 

[duhmetreE]

Did Frank Seravalli take math in school? He said Meier will cost for $9M-$10M in 7-8 year deal. Frank said the Rangers like Meier and teams view him as a long-term guy. The Rangers can't afford that contract. He doesn’t discuss how the Rangers will pay Meier. Madness. He said Meier will cost less than DeBrincat because DeBrincat had another season remaining before becoming a restricted free agent.

How do the Rangers afford that contract? Maybe Frank can tell us how the Rangers can create the space. .

what did Seravalli get right besides the expansion draft?

 

[Lion Hound]

We'll see but I'm pretty confident that is how it will play out. I think Trouba is much more likely to go before Panarin and potentially Kreider. Not until their nmc turns into a ntc though.

Truthfully, I would much rather see that move happen. But with Trouba's wife and her career at Lennox Hill hospital, that is going to hurt some of those chances. She wanted to come to NY for her career as well, and Trouba mentioned that often when he arrived here.

Can she transfer? Sure, but that like two people that have to make that decision. That full NMC ends in 2024 for Trouba.

Trouba's clause; 2024-25: Player submits a 15 team no trade list; 2025-26: Player submits a 12 team no trade list

 

[Leonardo87]

Did Frank Seravalli take math in school? He said Meier will cost for $9M-$10M in 7-8 year deal. Frank said the Rangers like Meier and teams view him as a long-term guy. The Rangers can't afford that contract. He doesn’t discuss how the Rangers will pay Meier. Madness. He said Meier will cost less than DeBrincat because DeBrincat had another season remaining before becoming a restricted free agent.

How do the Rangers afford that contract? Maybe Frank can tell us how the Rangers can create the space. .

Trade Trouba?

The 'lets trade Panarin' schtick has gotten a bit out of hand. He's not getting traded in the middle of the season.

There's a tiny chance he gets traded in the offseason.

It's not impossible but it'd take many happenings.... Starting with Panarin having another poor playoffs.


He has not played anywhere near his capability.... but lets not forget, what Adam Fox looked like last season after he signed his megadeal. He turned it on eventually... lets hope for the same.

Adam Fox was just off his Norris season, he was still a top D last year. I think fans wanted him to be Norris level again but he was more than fine , this year he is back to that Norris level.

 

[McRanger92]

There was a time where I thought Kane to NY at the deadline was a certainty. When the Rangers played the Hawks, Panarin and Kane were chatting in the pre game. Shooting pucks at each other and whatnot. I felt like I was watching the Trouba/Copp bromance all over again. Sam and Joe were all over it.

At the time, i was thinking this is all but a done deal, and I was worrying about the trade itself and what they were giving up. After Tocchet's comments in a game on ESPN about Kane being injured, and then other "Insiders" mentioning Kane hip issues i was thinking Drury is going to stay away. One of the NYR beat writers also mentioned it unlikely. Maybe Vince?

I do think the Rangers are his preferred destination. If Kane doesn't want to be traded 2x, he should opt for the surgery now or when the Hawks are officially out of the playoffs.

In the off season the Rangers will not have a lot of money at all. I don't think its out of the question for Kane to take a rediculously low contract to come here where these indications seems to lead him to. Kane's made $114 Million during his career. 6th highest paid player all time. He has a career in hockey when this is over if he wants that. Is money going to drive the bus where Kane wants to go? I don't think so. Ending his career in NY would mean he's played for 2 clubs both Orginial 6 franchises.

If not at the deadline, during free agency, I think he's coming here. I think it will be a stunner for what he signs for. Maybe he comes at the deadline. He controls much of the situation. If there truly is a 3 team list, what are those 3 clubs and what are they offering?

Kane is going tot he Rangers or nowhere at the deadline imo. The only other team Ive seen credibly mentioned other than us is Toronto, but is that their big move in Dubas' "all-in" year? I dont see it. To me O'Reilly would be their target. The Sabres make sense because it's Kane's hometown, but they seem more interested in making adds to their young core.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

what did Seravalli get right besides the expansion draft?

Basically the entire deadline last year.

He's not McKenzie, but he's the closest thing to it since Bob retired.

 

[Lion Hound]

Maybe he knows something we dont? He's not the only one who has mentioned Meier to the Rangers

Thats what scares me on this. Has to be coming from somewhere. Could be smoke in mirrors to drive up value for teams that can afford Meier.

If I was GM i would put some smoke out there to play that game, especially if the said player was coming to a Division, or Conference rival. Sather used Larry on these in the past. Drive up value, etc.

 

[McRanger92]

Truthfully, I would much rather see that move happen. But with Trouba's wife and her career at Lennox Hill hospital, that is going to hurt some of those chances. She wanted to come to NY for her career as well, and Trouba mentioned that often when he arrived here.

Can she transfer? Sure, but that like two people that have to make that decision. That full NMC ends in 2024 for Trouba.

Trouba's clause; 2024-25: Player submits a 15 team no trade list; 2025-26: Player submits a 12 team no trade list

Trouba would be the easiest to trade if he were amenable to it. He owns a home on the east coast of Florida, and he's very close with Aaron Ekblad. We've spoken about Detroit for him but the Panthers are a realistic option when the time comes. There are plenty of excellent hospitals in that area of the country, no state income tax and Florida could really use someone like Trouba to help their defense. Could be something to keep an eye on over the next 12-18 months

 

[duhmetreE]

The only 'inside baseball' can be that the cap is actually going up $4M

That could look something like this...

Othmann + 1st for Meier

I still dont see it happening.,

 

[McRanger92]

Thats what scares me on this. Has to be coming from somewhere. Could be smoke in mirrors to drive up value for teams that can afford Meier.

If I was GM i would put some smoke out there to play that game, especially if the said player was coming to a Division, or Conference rival. Sather used Larry on these in the past. Drive up value, etc.

If Drury is under pressure to win in the short term, trading for Meier and figuring out the rest later makes sense. The worst that happens is that he gets dealt elswhere and we drove up the price. If it causes the Devils to trade Mercer, Holtz & a 1st, and blow up their cap situation, that's kind of a win, no?

 

[Avery16]

Trouba would be the easiest to trade if he were amenable to it. He owns a home on the east coast of Florida, and he's very close with Aaron Ekblad. We've spoken about Detroit for him but the Panthers are a realistic option when the time comes. There are plenty of excellent hospitals in that area of the country, no state income tax and Florida could really use someone like Trouba to help their defense. Could be something to keep an eye on over the next 12-18 months

Will he still have that home after the divorce?