Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[haohmaru]

We traded our TRUE Captain for a draft pick in 2025.

this team is baby shit soft

Was he captaining from the press box? Ridiculous take.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah what I really want is Ryan Reaves being on ice at the same time as McDavid and Draisaitl

No, you don't understand. Reaves would have jumped over the boards and just assaulted Draisaitl, even though I literally can't remember the last time that happened in the NHL.

 

[Savant]

I don't know. It seemed pretty unanimous that the room sees Trouba as the leader. They just went to the ECF. People act like that wasn't the same team with the same personalities.

I would have thrown Draisaitl into the East River, but that's just me.

They Harry Maguire’d him. Gave him the C to “help” justify the contract

Results starting to look similar too

 

[Kords]

Yeah what I really want is Ryan Reaves being on ice at the same time as McDavid and Draisaitl

Funny enough, there was a picture of him on top of Draisaitl his first game with the Wild. I almost made a joke about him being on the ice against that line but couldn't think of a funny enough punchline!

Edit: NM it was Mathews... knew it was an elite top line he had no business being out against, just had the wrong team lmao....

 

[bleedblue94]

That third line has to be something more like:

Trochek with Kravtsov[but he sucks] (or Otthman) and Blais. We can’t pay Troch that money to saddle him with Vesey and Goodrow. It makes no sense. If Fil is going to take a step and the kids are going to produce enough to make that a solid top six, that’s great, but then the third line needs to still have viable scoring threats.

In fact, you’d almost be better off putting Vesey/Blais with Chytil and one of Laf/KK and spreading skill a bit. I can’t stomach Trochek as a 7M shutdown third liner who gets PP time.

You don't compound one mistake (overpaying trocheck) with more mistakes such as structuring your lineup to compensate for him not being a 5v5 2c answer here. If chytil is your 2c guy (he's been out best 5v5 center by a mile) then we can't continue to handcuff these kids to justify contracts given to vets.

 

[Crease]

Laf - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Kreider - Trocheck - Gauthier
Blais - Goodrow - Vesey

 

[LokiDog]

You don't compound one mistake (overpaying trocheck) with more mistakes such as structuring your lineup to compensate for him not being a 5v5 2c answer here. If chytil is your 2c guy (he's been out best 5v5 center by a mile) then we can't continue to handcuff these kids to justify contracts given to vets.

No, but we can do better than stacking a top line that doesn’t have any 5v5 chemistry and saddling a solid 50+ point center who doesn’t necessarily have chemistry with Panarin with Vesey and Goodrow as alternatives. If that’s going to be the structure, we need better depth of useful players and to roll 3 lines. Or Panarin and Trochek can play on a luxury third line and get the full 2 minutes of PP time while Vesey plays on the Zib line.

 

[duhmetreE]

Was he captaining from the press box? Ridiculous take.

Yeah, you notice the difference when the leader is not on the ice or in the locker room.

He was the only leader of men on this team.... Now we have Trouba and Zibs leading the way

 

[Machinehead]

Laf - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Kreider - Trocheck - Gauthier
Blais - Goodrow - Vesey

Stop posting balanced lines that make sense. This is the Rangers.

 

[duhmetreE]

The problem is that Gallant thinks about the lines playing defense more than contributing on offense.

Kreider and Zibs are together because of 'defense/matchups.

That monstrosity of Goodrow Tro Vesey was put together for 'defense/matchups'

He needs to start trusting the kids in scenarios. If they fail, great. Teach them what they did wrong. If they keep making the same mistakes, then you could take them away from those scenarios.


Maybe time to try something radically different?

Laffy Zibs Kakko
Kreider Trocheck Gauthier
Panarin Chytil Kravtsov
Vesey Goodrow Blais

Laf - Zibanejad - Kakko
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov
Kreider - Trocheck - Gauthier
Blais - Goodrow - Vesey

just saw your post

 

[CLW]

It's true. They were playing well and deserved to win more games earlier in the season.

Gallant's line juggling has made the results worse every time he tinkers.

Even Vince put a player comment along those lines into his latest article - too much tinkering, not enough time to gel.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why bother having a coach then? Just roll em out.

Good coaches get the most out of what they have to work with. If playing a different way can maximize the teams abilities as a whole then he has to explore that option. I've had the same thing with the u18's, some years you are loaded with talent some years you have to make the best of what you have. If you cant get your top players to succeed in your system then you have to create one that helps them succeed because if not then they will bring someone in that will.

I personally think given how things have shaken out that we leave the top line as it is now, and put Laf and Kakko on line 2, line 3..Blais Chytil Kravtsov, 4...vesey goodrow gauthier. If nothing else it give Laf and Kakko more ice.

 

[bleedblue94]

No, but we can do better than stacking a top line that doesn’t have any 5v5 chemistry and saddling a solid 50+ point center who doesn’t necessarily have chemistry with Panarin with Vesey and Goodrow as alternatives. If that’s going to be the structure, we need better depth of useful players and to roll 3 lines. Or Panarin and Trochek can play on a luxury third line and get the full 2 minutes of PP time while Vesey plays on the Zib line.

I am not knocking you, I generally agree with you, but this post demonstrates how flawed this roster is. Like this isnt even about putting players together that work, it's about justifying players and lines. We are short two top 9 forwards and no amount of rearranging the deck chairs will save the titanic without certain things changing.

Panarin has no chemistry with anyone, not zib, not chytil, not trocheck. This isn't about chemistry issues w those players. The issue is panarin and his unwillingness to adjust and play a team game. When it's everyone else that usually means it's you.

Also, the Kreider zib marriage needs to end.

And lastly, it is absurd to me that within that post there is a focus on getting trocheck pp1 time. Why? Pp1 isn't good, trocheck has never been a pp guy. He had 38 CAREER pp points prior to this year and this is a guy we are worried about keeping on pp1? Why? Just to justify that awful contract that was a mistake the second it was signed.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Is there a possibility that the rangers have a trade in the works for Kravtsov? I can't understand how he doesnt get in the lineup when our top 9 is missing 2 rw's

 

[RangersFan1994]

We traded our TRUE Captain for a draft pick in 2025.

this team is baby shit soft

Sadly and look at their personalities in their interviews. Mika about to cry after every loss and someone wanted this guy as captain. Love how he had career years here but seems very soft. His interviews are not encouraging at all. I want a player to come out and say we did this to ourselves, we deserved the loss. I hate hearing we need to play 60 mins, if you know that then why not do it. Talk the talk is soft leadership. How about someone taking charge here? Now is the time to do it. No confidence in themselves?

 

[SA16]

I wonder if a deal around Kravtsov and Rossi would make sense. Clearly Guerin and Drury have been talking. Both players could use a change.

Why does Rossi, a 21 year old who was drafted two years ago and has played one AHL season, need a change because he hasn't been able to hold down a roster spot yet?

 

[duhmetreE]

Sadly and look at their personalities in their interviews. Mika about to cry after every loss and someone wanted this guy as captain. Love how he had career years here but seems very soft. His interviews are not encouraging at all. I want a player to come out and say we did this to ourselves, we deserved the loss. I hate hearing we need to play 60 mins, if you know that then why not do it. Talk the talk is soft leadership. How about someone taking charge here? Now is the time to do it. No confidence in themselves?

It’s what made Reaves the captain/leader

Call it alpha personality. A-type. Leader. It’s all the same. This team does not have them. He was one of the only, if not the only one.

It’s a major problem imo.

 

[bleedblue94]

I am no conspiracy person, BUT something else has to be going on with Kravtsov behind the scenes bc there are four reasons he can't get into the lineup after Saturday:

1. They truly believe he is not a top 9 player

2. Something off ice happened that we do not know about

3. They don't believe he is in physical condition to play in this league right now and they are trying to quietly give it the buchnevich treatment where they shut him down for 4-6 weeks for body/core training

4. They want to give the same group of players from Saturday the chance to redeem themselves

 

[AirGut]

I wonder if DET would ever think about moving Zadina? He's a guy I would like to see slotted next to Chytil.

 

[Machinehead]

I believe -and they have their reasons- the organization is done with Kravtsov. They have been done with Kravtsov. Attempts to put him in the lineup this year, imo, have been last ditch attempts to catch the eye of another front office.

HIs performances thus far have only hurt value further.

They're not going to play him if they feel that's what's going to happen.

Time is running out before they have to take what they get.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers need a pulse. How about something with the Blackhawks?


Max Domi to Rangers for 2ed in 2024?

Domi at least would provide some energy and plays a in your face game. Has some skill too. His dad was a fan favorite here. He can play wing and center.

 

[Machinehead]

Rangers need a pulse. How about something with the Blackhawks?


Max Domi to Rangers for 2ed in 2024?

Domi at least would provide some energy and plays a in your face game. Has some skill too. His dad was a fan favorite here. He can play wing and center.

Sounds like a broken record, but I'm still of the opinion that a pulse is going to come from adding a scoring threat, not another Blais.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Sounds like a broken record, but I'm still of the opinion that a pulse is going to come from adding a scoring threat, not another Blais.

Domi is a much better forward than Sammy Blais. Domi can actually skate and is not injury prone. Another soft scoring forward this team does not need. Need more skilled attitude on this team. Someone not happy or content with losing or losing a lead. Someone that actually cares. We gotta play 60 mins speech is getting old from these leaders. Pretty pathetic

I would kick the tires on Ivan Barbashev 2.25 cap hit and UFA also. Wins faceoffs would upgrade the bottom 6 that is for sure

 

[Machinehead]

Domi is a much better forward than Sammy Blais. Domi can actually skate and is not injury prone. Another soft scoring forward this team does not need. Need more skilled attitude on this team. Someone not happy or content with losing or losing a lead. Someone that actually cares. We gotta play 60 mins speech is getting old from these leaders. Pretty pathetic

Who are all these scoring forwards I keep hearing about?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Who are all these scoring forwards I keep hearing about?

Someone named Patrick Kane. He will be another issue that they don’t need. Rangers have enough finesse skill. Need some skilled attitude to balance it out. The Dubinsky Callahan type of players. the hockey needs to be more balanced here. need more than 1 way to beat teams. Relying on the PP can get a team so far.