Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Machinehead]

Someone named Patrick Kane. He will be another issue that they don’t need. Rangers have enough finesse skill. Need some skilled attitude to balance it out. TheDubinsky Callahan type of players. the hockey needs to be more balanced here. need more than 1 way to beat teams. Relying on the PP can get a team so far.

Yeah but who on this team is a "soft" scoring forward?

We have two guys that even remotely fit the definition of "scoring forward."

This team doesn't have enough skill.

 

[RangersFan1994]

My top targets at the deadline if they are in the race would be Ivan Barbashev and Max Domi. a few skilled physical forwards would be nice. Need players that are better along the boards and can play well with skilled forwards that can provide screening the goalie, going to the net and forechecking and helping the finesse forwards get space open for their skill on this team. .

 

[cheech70]

 

[RangersFan1994]

Yeah but who on this team is a "soft" scoring forward?

We have two guys that even remotely fit the definition of "scoring forward."

This team doesn't have enough skill.

They do need skill but they also need to get rid of that pretty passing pond hockey nonsense. That does not work in the playoffs. A few players that crash the net, and help open space for Panarin Mika etc is important to have. cant have a team full of finesse, they would be the Maple Leafs soft hockey. I guess fans want that

 

[GENESISPuck94]

The solution seems obvious. Take Carpenter out of the lineup. Put Goodrow at 4C where he fits best. Now there’s a third line spot open for Kravtsov.

Very on brand for this organization to prioritize the forward version of Tinordi (Carpenter) over the development of a first rounder.

The Rangers best game of the season, against Detroit, came when Carpenter was out of the lineup, Krav was on the Panarin line, Blais-Goodrow-Gauthier were the 4th line.

The next game Gallant f***ed with the lines and the team has looked like shit since.

This guy is a bozo. He needs to be fired.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Yeah but who on this team is a "soft" scoring forward?

We have two guys that even remotely fit the definition of "scoring forward."

This team doesn't have enough skill.

For his size Mika is pretty soft. Kreider should be more physical for his size. Panarin is soft.

Only skilled physical forwards on this team is Blais, Lafy, Goodrow, Trocheck.

top 6 can use a Landeskog Tkachuk JT Miller type can use some snarl in the top 6. They are too passive and they need to be more aggressive and less predictable

 

[Machinehead]

They do need skill but they also need to get rid of that pretty passing pond hockey nonsense. That does not work in the playoffs. A few players that crash the net, and help open space for Panarin Mika etc is important to have. cant have a team full of finesse, they would be the Maple Leafs soft hockey. I guess fans want that

But we suck at passing. Panarin is our only forward that even clears "average" at passing.

This is the part I don't get.

It's not "pond hockey" because we have too much of it. It's pond hockey because we suck at it.

 

[SA16]

The Rangers best game of the season, against Detroit, came when Carpenter was out of the lineup, Krav was on the Panarin line, Blais-Goodrow-Gauthier were the 4th line.

The next game Gallant f***ed with the lines and the team has looked like shit since.


This guy is a bozo. He needs to be fired.

He developed Huberdeau and Barkov

 

[MrAlmost]

We don't need another scoring winger. We need players that drag your team into the fight. Vatrano does that. Copp does that. Motte, Goodrow, Trocheck, Lindgren, and even Trouba. That's why last year was successful.

If you don't think Garland is the perfect type of player for this team, then you don't watch him. I implore you all to watch the Sharks v Canucks game right now. He is fast, tenacious, fearless, just an overall pain in the ass. Everything you want Trivigno to be but actually NHL level.

 

[duhmetreE]

"I’m not worried about that at all. Not one bit. They’re with an NHL team."

We can tell.

 

[LokiDog]

I am not knocking you, I generally agree with you, but this post demonstrates how flawed this roster is. Like this isnt even about putting players together that work, it's about justifying players and lines. We are short two top 9 forwards and no amount of rearranging the deck chairs will save the titanic without certain things changing.

Panarin has no chemistry with anyone, not zib, not chytil, not trocheck. This isn't about chemistry issues w those players. The issue is panarin and his unwillingness to adjust and play a team game. When it's everyone else that usually means it's you.

Also, the Kreider zib marriage needs to end.

And lastly, it is absurd to me that within that post there is a focus on getting trocheck pp1 time. Why? Pp1 isn't good, trocheck has never been a pp guy. He had 38 CAREER pp points prior to this year and this is a guy we are worried about keeping on pp1? Why? Just to justify that awful contract that was a mistake the second it was signed.

Well I don’t actually give a shit about Trochek getting PP1 time so much as I was looking at it organizationally - if you’re gonna use a 7M center on the third line primarily you can give him ample special teams minutes to balance things, to justify your spending. Which again, I don’t care about, but was putting myself in the franchise’s shoes. I agree it’s Panarin - I was heavy on the anti-Panarin posts late last year and got trashed for it. But I agree with the crux of your post, which is no matter how you slice it, we’re short two top nine forwards and regardless of how you shuffle it, it can’t be fixed. Blais, Goodrow, Gauthier/Vesey can make up the fourth line. None should be in the top nine except for spot duty. Panarin is a problem. As you said, when it’s everyone else, it’s you. The Kreider Zib 5v5 marriage is ridiculous. Kreider is another guy who could play third line 5v5, get his minutes on special teams and we couldn’t notice a difference in production. The forward group is just tremendously flawed.

 

[jaywills1020]

He developed Huberdeau and Barkov

He didn’t develop them he actually gave them PP and top line minutes.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, he's an idiot, but this is one of those things where you have to temper your expectations on what a coach is going to say.

"Yeah, the Rangers are f***ing up young players again, more at 11. That's not my department."

I would say that. Gallant wouldn't.

 

[Machinehead]

Well I don’t actually give a shit about Trochek getting PP1 time so much as I was looking at it organizationally - if you’re gonna use a 7M center on the third line primarily you can give him ample special teams minutes to balance things, to justify your spending. Which again, I don’t care about, but was putting myself in the franchise’s shoes. I agree it’s Panarin - I was heavy on the anti-Panarin posts late last year and got trashed for it. But I agree with the crux of your post, which is no matter how you slice it, we’re short two top nine forwards and regardless of how you shuffle it, it can’t be fixed. Blais, Goodrow, Gauthier/Vesey can make up the fourth line. None should be in the top nine except for spot duty. Panarin is a problem. As you said, when it’s everyone else, it’s you. The Kreider Zib 5v5 marriage is ridiculous. Kreider is another guy who could play third line 5v5, get his minutes on special teams and we couldn’t notice a difference in production. The forward group is just tremendously flawed.

In defense of the Kreider-Zib 5v5 marriage, both Kreider-Zib-Laf and Kreider-Zib-Kakko were elite lines and we broke up both because spaghetti mufflers.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I will say this one more time cus i forgot to check the replies but why is Kreider fine playing rw with Panarin but he can't do that for Lafreniere?

 

[CLW]

I will say this one more time cus i forgot to check the replies but why is Kreider fine playing rw with Panarin but he can't do that for Lafreniere?

Panarin said he was the rw but "forgot" and Kreider covered for him by moving over... Anyway as expected it didn't last long, Zib - Panarin never does.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider moving to RW helps this team more than anything else internally. Laf moves to line one, Kakko to line 2, Kravtsov to line 3.

 

[bleedblue94]

There are 15 games left in the calendar year, if they don't clear 15 points in that time the season is in jeopardy.

Keep waiting for the bubble to burst in Detroit but it hasn't. Right now nyr and Flo are on the outside looking in. Who is everyone expecting to drop out of the top 8 to let us in, let alone Florida as well?

The top 5 should all be playoff teams

Pitt and Tampa should make it

Again the wings are the team people keep expecting to falter but they haven't yet and even if they do that would leave one spot for nyr or Florida and that doesn't even take into consideration the caps possibly making a run once they get healthy. Nyr is in serious jeopardy regarding a playoff spot and I know it is still kind of early, but in reality it really isn't early anymore. All of this and the team has been generally healthy so far this year, which most likely will not be the case through 82 games.

Panarin said he was the rw but "forgot" and Kreider covered for him by moving over... Anyway as expected it didn't last long, Zib - Panarin never does.

Again, it's a panarin thing. The guy is so entitled and he is enabled by this coaching staff. Take away his PowerPlay time and see how quickly he starts remembering the details of the game

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Ryan Reaves skated in 12 of the teams first 15 games this year and was a healthy scratch for the next 5 before being traded to Minnesota.
Does it strike anyone else as odd that he would request a trade so short into this season?
This past season during the playoffs Mika Zibanejad made it known in many interviews that they were all playing for each other and that there was love for each other in that locker room.
Panarin had Strome, Reaves, Lindgren ,Fox and Goodrow. Mika had Kreider. Trouba had his possie of Miller, Schneider, Copp Vatrano and Motte. The Kids had each other.
What changed. Panarin closest teammate Strome left to Anaheim and the player he’s been working with since training camp is not getting into the lineup when healthy. Four of Trouba’s group signed elsewhere and Jacob was named Captain. Did that not sit well with everyone? Did he change for the worse when he went from player to Captain? Did he try to take too much control in the locker room and on the ice?
Why would Reaves demand a trade when he was held out for just a handful of games if this group is so tight? Wouldn’t he want to stay in an environment that was comfortable? He’s was on a team that treats their players well and there’s benefits to playing in a huge Media market like New York. He’s just shy of his 36 birthday what more could he expect from another team?
Just wondering if there is a problem in the locker room. lock this season? Like I said, seems odd.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

It's easy to say "we should have done something" at your keyboard.

In the real world, with the real standings, and the real money, we're now losing with 2 minutes left. Bad time to take a penalty.

If Trouba took a penalty there, the same people who hate Trouba no matter what would be getting him for that.

It was annoying, but at the same time, is it that big of a deal?

People are going to be acting like Trouba shot the president for the next six months.

Yeah I mean that clip is stomach churning and embarrassing to watch, but what was Trouba supposed to do? Chase Draisatil down and punch him? You're down a goal with 2 minutes left, you want to take a penalty? We have the hindsight knowing we lose this embarrassing game, but at the time we still could've come back. Aside from the ref calling something on Draisaitil there, I'm not sure what else is supposed to happen.

When is the next time we play Edmonton? That's when I'll be keeping my eyes open for some form of retaliation.

They Harry Maguire’d him. Gave him the C to “help” justify the contract

Results starting to look similar too

Idk, I'm not Trouba's biggest fan and from my couch he wouldn't have been my captain but the room seems to be consensus that he's the guy. He was an important player for this team. He's played like dogs hit this season, no doubt. Maybe injured, maybe not - no excuse. He's sucked this year. He needs to turn it around. But I really don't think he's the captain because of his contact. He really really really needs to get back to his level. Trouba-KAM being a solid pair is foundational to this team's success and BOTH of them have sucked this season and that pair sucking has been integral in the failures of this team this season.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah I mean that clip is stomach churning and embarrassing to watch, but what was Trouba supposed to do? Chase Draisatil down and punch him? You're down a goal with 2 minutes left, you want to take a penalty? We have the hindsight knowing we lose this embarrassing game, but at the time we still could've come back. Aside from the ref calling something on Draisaitil there, I'm not sure what else is supposed to happen.

When is the next time we play Edmonton? That's when I'll be keeping my eyes open for some form of retaliation.

This I would agree with.

I don't know what we could have done in the moment, and I think Trouba was caught off-guard by the absurdity of the whole thing.

Next time we play Edmonton, if it were me, that game would be starting with a fight.

But again, that's me.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

No, but we can do better than stacking a top line that doesn’t have any 5v5 chemistry and saddling a solid 50+ point center who doesn’t necessarily have chemistry with Panarin with Vesey and Goodrow as alternatives. If that’s going to be the structure, we need better depth of useful players and to roll 3 lines. Or Panarin and Trochek can play on a luxury third line and get the full 2 minutes of PP time while Vesey plays on the Zib line.

My issues is if you're going to "stack" the first line, it shouldn't have Kreider as the 1RW. That's a slot he sucks at. You should have Kakko or Lafreniere as the RW on that line.

I want Kravtsov in the lineup, but if he's going to be the extra forward as potato head insists he is, then I'd like to see:

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
Lafreniere-Chytil-Vesey
Kreider-Trocheck-Goodrow
Blais-Carpenter-Gauthier

 

[Machinehead]

Ryan Reaves skated in 12 of the teams first 15 games this year and was a healthy scratch for the next 5 before being traded to Minnesota.
Does it strike anyone else as odd that he would request a trade so short into this season?
This past season during the playoffs Mika Zibanejad made it known in many interviews that they were all playing for each other and that there was love for each other in that locker room.
Panarin had Strome, Reaves, Lindgren ,Fox and Goodrow. Mika had Kreider. Trouba had his possie of Miller, Schneider, Copp Vatrano and Motte. The Kids had each other.
What changed. Panarin closest teammate Strome left to Anaheim and the player he’s been working with since training camp is not getting into the lineup when healthy. Four of Trouba’s group signed elsewhere and Jacob was named Captain. Did that not sit well with everyone? Did he change for the worse when he went from player to Captain? Did he try to take too much control in the locker room and on the ice?
Why would Reaves demand a trade when he was held out for just a handful of games if this group is so tight? Wouldn’t he want to stay in an environment that was comfortable? He’s was on a team that treats their players well and there’s benefits to playing in a huge Media market like New York. He’s just shy of his 36 birthday what more could he expect from another team?
Just wondering if there is a problem in the locker room. lock this season? Like I said, seems odd.

I don't think it was just five games.

I think it was made pretty clear, and the tidbits from the media align with this, that he wasn't in the plans.

It had to do with the fact that he became a $1.75m healthy scratch. At less money, the Rangers would be very happy to have him slot in whenever.

 

[Machinehead]

Oh and while I'm on it, maybe we couldn't have done anything yesterday and we can't until we play Edmonton, but I'm under no such circumstances, so I've got something to say.

Who the f*** is Leon Draisaitl??? Who the f*** are you to touch anybody's stick you big ugly doofus?

You know what? I take that back. Touch McDavid's stick because he won you a Hart and made you three times more money than anybody should ever pay your garbage ass.

People talk about Panarin being a powerplay merchant? This er Draisaitl couldn't hit ice if you dropped him in the f***ing Yukon at even strength.

If he didn't have McDavid on his line, and he was playing my team, I'd send a f***ing limo to get go him to make sure his corpse ass is in the lineup, so my team could be the powerplay 5v5 for 23 f***ing minutes.

Funny you did that while you were skating back to the bench because that's the first time in nine god damn NHL seasons that you were skating where you were supposed to.

Funny you picked on Trouba because without McDavid dragging 208 pounds around his entire f***ing career, you would be Trouba at forward.

But, I need to be fair to Mr. Draisaitl. He's the best center in NHL history who's played as much center as I have. Well done, bud.

 

[bhamill]

You know, while we're at, let's talk about the gorilla in the room.

The kids have been together on a line for a few games now and, presumably, are matching up against the other team's "3rd" line and really aren't dominating/scoring. If they're as talented as we'd hoped they'd be, they should be. Maybe we need to face the facts that either 1.) they're going to be just decent hockey players and not superstars or 2.) will eventually realize further potential and figure it out.

I mean, it's been 6 years for Chytil. It took Buchnevich 5.

Buchnevich hit the NHL 3 years later in his development than Chytil. Let’s see where Chytil is in two years when he hits 25 like Buch was. If you want to compare them fairly.