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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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Chytilmania said:
Every year the board complains about the 6th D. Then when that D man is finally dumped, somehow the next man is worse. Honestly, how many teams have a legit 6th D man? You want Staal or Smith or Nemeth back?
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I still never do that Staal to Detroit trade
 
irishlaxburger2 said:
Is Panarin move-able?

Realistically, what are our options? This is the biggest question this franchise is facing currently.
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Anaheim and Phoenix are the only teams that can take the salary outright. Only the former may be somewhat desireable.

Vancouver might/ will do something stupid this summer. They're going to trade Horvat and Boeser for peanuts.

The problem is that at least half the teams in the league need to dump major salary but there's not enough of takers. I'm at the point that I'd use Cuylle or Berard and another B prospect to dump Panarin somewhere. He's a cancer that's rubbing off and is being a bad influence on other players and needs to go.
 
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I don't see any realistic fit because as RangerBoy points out consistently, every move for almost every team is money in/money out. He also has a NMC. It would take mountains to work.

I love Panarin as much as the next guy, but the current trajectory for this team is better without him. Clearly the path forward is with continuing to develop the youth.

This team isn't winning shit with him playing the way he does now.
 
Synergy27 said:
I rarely listen to content like this, feel like there’s not much to learn. I thought the part about Laf was interesting though.

I think this is open to interpretation of course, but what I heard is that the team knows that Laf doesn’t skate well enough to do the Huberdeau type stuff he did in Junior and they are trying to turn him into a net front, grinding type to compensate.

This tracks with what I’m seeing. It’s going to feed the narrative that they are actively ruining him. If this is true he needs to be traded while he still has pedigree/brand name value, unless they think the skating can improve.

One has to wonder how long this has been the assessment and what the team and the player have done to fix the skating problem. This feels like it should be organizational priority number one to me.
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This is hilarious to read and listen to bc for almost two years I was told it was "lazy analysis" to say laffy's skating was a significant issue that was going to hold him back, and yet here we are with the org actually agreeing haha
 
Next game I want to see Vesey or Goodrow on the 4th line, scratch Gauts, Kravvy in the top 6, kid line playing together getting big minutes
 
HandsomeBob said:
I don't see any realistic fit because as RangerBoy points out consistently, every move for almost every team is money in/money out. He also has a NMC. It would take mountains to work.

I love Panarin as much as the next guy, but the current trajectory for this team is better without him. Clearly the path forward is with continuing to develop the youth.

This team isn't winning shit with him playing the way he does now.
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I think it’s pretty much only the Panthers, and that’s if they keep BOB. No state tax, Beach everyday, one of his best friends.

They have the contracts to send back to match some of the money, Reinhart, Bennett, Duclair, Verhaeghe. Not saying all those guys, but they all are already signed for at least next season minimum.
 
bleedblue94 said:
This is hilarious to read and listen to bc for almost two years I was told it was "lazy analysis" to say laffy's skating was a significant issue that was going to hold him back, and yet here we are with the org actually agreeing haha
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FWIW laf’s skating issue is overblown as hell

He doesn’t need to be a f***ing speedster to be successful. And if we are trying to turn him into a net front presence then we are f***ing dumb organization
 
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Uninstaaled said:
The skating argument is the dumbest thing ever.

I’m sorry, it’s not what’s holding him back. Plus I’d rather try to bring him along to he more like Jamie Been than Huberdeau anyway. He doesn’t have the strength to pull that off on the regular just yet which brings me to my next point…

I do think they need to keep him in NY this summer though. He doesn’t train with any of the top former players out of the Q. Make him train at prentiss and skate with the local guys during the summer.
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How is this a dumb point? How? Skating has become the single biggest part of the NHL game at this point. It is a necessity. If you can't skate you can't play at this level. Skating has become in many ways more important than hockey sense from the standpoint of just being an average NHL player. Games and team structure is so tactical now that a player with average or weak hockey sense can play in the league if he can skate. Laffy doesn't skate well enough to have his game grow at this level. If his skating improves his game will likely blossom.
 
bleedblue94 said:
How is this a dumb point? How? Skating has become the single biggest part of the NHL game at this point. It is a necessity. If you can't skate you can't play at this level. Skating has become in many ways more important than hockey sense from the standpoint of just being an average NHL player. Games and team structure is so tactical now that a player with average or weak hockey sense can play in the league if he can skate. Laffy doesn't skate well enough to have his game grow at this level. If his skating improves his game will likely blossom.
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Wrong…..
 
It's become quite apparent the path forward with this team is with the kids, and that's with putting them in consistent roles with increased icetime and letting them make mistakes. It's not a linear path but it's obvious certain veterans with NMC's are blocking this route from happening.
 
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Rangers in 7 said:
FWIW laf’s skating issue is overblown as hell

He doesn’t need to be a f***ing speedster to be successful. And if we are trying to turn him into a net front presence then we are f***ing dumb organization
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There is a difference between "speedster" and just being a good skater.

He also should not be made into a net front guy, but you should all have seen that was the org vision the moment he was picked as the net front guy for pp2 last year. I never understood it and that is part of why this summer I advocated for Vinny to be on pp2 in his normal net front role while moving laffy into a more skill position on one of the units.

Yet here we are...

Rangers in 7 said:
Wrong…..
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Great analysis ha contract incoming!
 
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bleedblue94 said:
How is this a dumb point? How? Skating has become the single biggest part of the NHL game at this point. It is a necessity. If you can't skate you can't play at this level. Skating has become in many ways more important than hockey sense from the standpoint of just being an average NHL player. Games and team structure is so tactical now that a player with average or weak hockey sense can play in the league if he can skate. Laffy doesn't skate well enough to have his game grow at this level. If his skating improves his game will likely blossom.
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This isn’t true.

I can point to many players who are great who also aren’t good skaters. ROR has been a monster for over a decade and he’s a dreadful skater.

Like outside of like handful of people in this league who can consistently skate around people, being able to go through opponents will always be a better road to success than not. If he can get faster? Great. It’s not a necessity though. Getting stronger is.
 
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This isn’t true.

I can point to many players who are great who also aren’t good skaters. ROR has been a monster for over a decade and he’s a dreadful skater.

Like outside of like handful of people in this league who can consistently skate around people, being able to go through opponents will always be a better road to success than not. If he can get faster? Great. It’s not a necessity though. Getting stronger is.
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Where did I say he has to get faster? Being a better skater does not mean faster...

And outside of ror who in the league is a great player that is a below average skater over the past 5 years? That list is slim. Laffy is currently a below NHL average skater...
 
Drury has completely painted himself in a corner. His reaction at games lately hasnt been subtle. He committed to these guys and built the roster. He needs to own the construction of the team, especially the forwards. It has to be wearing on him with some of the things we see from the core guys, a couple in particular. We all joke about Drury but when he played there were certain things he seemed to have expectations of that matriculated through his teams when he was in leadership roles and I think he sees some guys on this team right now that he would have an issue with if he was in the locker room with them based on the effort and attention by some of them. He made the group so he's trying to have patience but you can visibly see the frustration brewing.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
Where did I say he has to get faster? Being a better skater does not mean faster...

And outside of ror who in the league is a great player that is a below average skater over the past 5 years? That list is slim. Laffy is currently a below NHL average skater...
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Mark Stone
Jamie Benn
Leon Draisaitl (though his boots look worse than they actually are.)
Jason Robertson.


I wouldn’t call the likes of Matthews and Tavares great or even good skaters either.

They exist.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
Drury has completely painted himself in a corner. His reaction at games lately hasnt been subtle. He committed to these guys and built the roster. He needs to own the construction of the team, especially the forwards. It has to be wearing on him with some of the things we see from the core guys, a couple in particular. We all joke about Drury but when he played there were certain things he seemed to have expectations of that matriculated through his teams when he was in leadership roles and I think he sees some guys on this team right now that he would have an issue with if he was in the locker room with them based on the effort and attention by some of them. He made the group so he's trying to have patience but you can visibly see the frustration brewing.
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He's pretty stealth and ruthless. He'll make a move out of nowhere.
 
irishlaxburger2 said:
Draisaitl is a horrendous skater
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He isn't as bad as people make him out to be. He isn't graceful at all but he is an absolutely average and even above average skater even if he looks like someone with a beer gut doing ballet. He's also someone approaching generational player status so I think he would be considered an outlier in this conversation.

Roo Returns said:
He's pretty stealth and ruthless. He'll make a move out of nowhere.
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I'm waiting to see if he does it to one of his own guys. One of the people he advocated for even back when he was agm
 
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I like that move for both teams but more for Colorado. Nieto can help this year and Merkley is a nice project for them. If any organization can make an NHL player out of that kid, it’s Colorado (or Tampa).
 
BBKers said:
Ideas of a playoff roster
Artemi Panarin -- Mika Zibanejad -- ??? (trade)
Alexis Lafreniere -- Filip Chytil -- Kaapo Kakko
Chris Kreider -- Vincent Trocheck -- Nick Bjugstad (trade)
One of Jordan Greenway, Adam Erne or Nick Ritchie (via trade with some $ retained) -- Barclay Goodrow -- Jimmy Vesey

Spare (Joker): One of Vitaly Kravtsov or Julien Gauthier
Black Aces: Jake Leschyshyn, Jonny Brodzinski, Ryan Carpenter, Gustav Rydahl, Brennan Othmann
Back to Hartford (Still an Ace though): Will Cuylle
Dealt: One of Julien Gauthier or Vitaly Kravtsov, Samuel Blais, Zach Jones, Libor Hajek, picks (however - no 2023 1st rounder), prospect(s)

??? in the "Go for it option" = Vladimir Tarasenko (price?) or Ryan O'Reilly (price/injury status?)
??? in the "Less enthusiastic option" = Ivan Barbashev or Max Domi

We also need to acquire a real #5/#6 LD option
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I think we see Bjugstad or Nyquist as the rental RW; they will be cheaper options with some of the better/more expensive rentals being RWs (Horvat, Kane, Meier, Tarasenko)


Ritchie and Greenway are the 2 options for the bottom 6 I have liked hearing and make sense for what the rumor is we want to add


Kulikov seems like the obvious vet addition for the bottom pairing D; Logan Stanley could be an option if the Rangers want someone younger but I could see him being more of an offseason swap that we get


I also don't think we get another guy to fill in on your top line spot; more likely, whoever we get in trade of Nyquist/Bjugstad goes there, and then Vesey goes to 3RW (maybe Kravstov if he turns his game around)

Panarin - Zib - Nyquist/Bjugstad
Kreider - Trocheck - Vesey
Laf - Chytil - Kakko
Ritchie - Goodrow - Gauthier

Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Kulikov - Schneider
 
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