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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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irishlaxburger2 said:
If you don't realize the coach speak you're getting from players in interviews is likely regurgitated from the actual coach, you're not paying very close attention.
Our team is built to play east/west hockey though. When Artemi Panarin, Mika Zibanajed, and Adam Fox are your top offensive producers, you're inevitably going to be an east/west team.
I'm also not saying this formula *doesn't* lead to a lot of wins. It does. But it can also lead to long stretches of anemic offense, which is exactly what this team has been this season. Inconsistency doesn't win Cups.
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irishlaxburger2 said:
If you don't realize the coach speak you're getting from players in interviews is likely regurgitated from the actual coach, you're not paying very close attention.

Our team is built to play east/west hockey though. When Artemi Panarin, Mika Zibanajed, and Adam Fox are your top offensive producers, you're inevitably going to be an east/west team.

I'm also not saying this formula *doesn't* lead to a lot of wins. It does. But it can also lead to long stretches of anemic offense, which is exactly what this team has been this season. Inconsistency doesn't win Cups.
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Which is exactly why this team will never win.

Not with Panarin and Mika leading the way.
 
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duhmetreE said:
The most inconsistent part of this team is scoring those greasy goals. It's hard when you vacate the middle of the ice.

I dont know what happened to Kreider and his deflections.

We play a game and Gallant talks about it occasionally... 'own the boards'. If all players are on the boards to 'own them' there's a vacuity in the middle. This is where we get stuck on offense. There's no transition to 'attacking'. It's a perpetual circling of the perimeter.
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The leadership group of this team is the driving factor is why this team will not win

irishlaxburger2 said:
Then we should be openly discussing how we rid ourselves of Panarin's contract, primarily.
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Do not disagree.
 
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kovazub94 said:
Then please explain because not seeing "us" beating Boston, TBL, Colorado can be applied to virtually all other team. So what they just need to give up now and not buy at TDL or even better become sellers? Maybe just run ECF between Bruins and Canes and something similar out West and be done?
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If you can honestly look at the Rangers, as currently constructed, and believe we are capable of knocking over those teams, then we have a fundamental differing view of what this team is and what it can do.

Wasting assets for a CHANCE that the acquired player can not only even the playing field, but tilt the odds in our favor is silly.

So, no. You do not give up, but not giving up doesn't mean you have to waste assets to do something that had failed more than it succeeds to a very large degree.

McRanger92 said:
Mika is part of the problem now? How do you figure that?
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Soft perimeter player that is just as unwilling to change the way he plays to a more successful style.
 
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Raspewtin said:
He literally just had 24 points in 20 PO games
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Ok. And 0 points in the last three games against Tampa.

I will give him credit for stepping up in games 6&7 against Pitt and game 7 against Carolina where accumulated 10 of the 24 points.

I'm not saying the Mika is not a good player, just not someone I'd look to lead my team to a cup
 
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pld459666 said:
So, no. You do not give up, but not giving up doesn't mean you have to waste assets to do something that had failed more than it succeeds to a very large degree.
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Again you’re trying to change the point that for about half of the teams - buying at TDL is just a normal part of team-building process, not a “waste of assets” as you call it. However if you mean pushing all chips to the middle like moving both 1st this year as well as 2024 1st and multiple other assets in top prospects etc - sure there’s no reason for this level of spending. There’s a (lot of) room between not doing anything at all at TDL and completely mortgaging the future.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
Why are we asking one of the best two way centers in the game to change his style?
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To improve the team.

kovazub94 said:
Again you’re trying to change the point that for about half of the teams - buying at TDL is just a normal part of team-building process, not a “waste of assets” as you call it. However if you mean pushing all chips to the middle like moving both 1st this year as well as 2024 1st and multiple other assets in top prospects etc - sure there’s no reason for this level of spending. There’s a (lot of) room between not doing anything at all at TDL and completely mortgaging the future.
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its really not a normal part of team building as most of thise players are soon to be UFA's and more often than not walk after the playoffs.

hence the term rental

want to tell me we can get a Hagel for a 1st. I'm game, but those types of transactions are the exception, not the rule
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
I won't disagree that we spend too much time along the boards, but we also don't need to totally change the way we try to play to make it better. We can still drive offense via royal road passes (like we did during last playoffs) without doing it along the boards or in the middle of the ice. This team needs to be playing more around the dots. That's the middle ground, and I truly believe that's how you get Mika and Panarin going 5v5. They're never going to be net-front players (at least outside of transition).

If we want our bottom 6 primarily focused on greasy net-front offense, I'm for it. But again, that's simply asking certain players to do one thing, and others to do another. If we had clear, definitive line pairings, we could do that. But it kind of just feels like we're throwing both lines and tactics in a blender these days just to see what works. It all feels direction-less.
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That's a two part issue. You need to be consistently attacking the middle of the ice and/or shooting for those cross ice passes to open up. We don't do it enough to alter the way teams defend us.

The Zibs PPG is the perfect example, last game. From what I remember, Fox shot it off a one timer right before it happened. The PKer then tried defending the pass back to Fox from Panarin instead of the cross seam pass to Zibs. It's poor defense but it's the chess game thats going on during play.

You're setting traps throughout the game. I have a better chance of landing a knockout if I hit you with bodyshots first. Those body shots lead to the instinctual defense... When I establish the body shot, I then go for the head. It creates holes in your defense. It's the same premise. If I'm only headhutting, 'looking for cross seam passes', it's easier to defend.
 
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It's pretty obvious that I do not share the same level of optimism as some here regarding Panarin and Mika leading this team.

I do hope I am wrong, I don't think I am but I do hope I am.
 
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