Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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So did ottawa.
Those teams that looked at the rangers progress and said “we’re there”
Might just give perspective that “3 years of rebuilding” isn’t bad.

Ottawa didn't really give out bad contracts. Norris got hurt, which is unfortunate, but Stützle has been great and Giroux has been worth every penny.

Our problem is that DJ Smith should be coaching a beer league team, our defense is trash, and we have zero depth in our bottom-6.

This leads me to my question. The Sens have a good top-6, but should probably trade one of their guys to help balance the roster.

Would there be any interest in a deal centred around Drake Batherson for Braden Schneider?
 
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Ottawa didn't really give out bad contracts. Norris got hurt, which is unfortunate, but Stützle has been great and Giroux has been worth every penny.

Our problem is that DJ Smith should be coaching a beer league team, our defense is trash, and we have zero depth in our bottom-6.

This leads me to my question. The Sens have a good top-6, but should probably trade one of their guys to help balance the roster.

Would there be any interest in a deal centred around Drake Batherson for Braden Schneider?
Likely not. And honestly, that goes for every team in the league. He will not be signed or moved until more is known about his situation off the ice.
 
Ottawa didn't really give out bad contracts. Norris got hurt, which is unfortunate, but Stützle has been great and Giroux has been worth every penny.

Our problem is that DJ Smith should be coaching a beer league team, our defense is trash, and we have zero depth in our bottom-6.

This leads me to my question. The Sens have a good top-6, but should probably trade one of their guys to help balance the roster.

Would there be any interest in a deal centred around Drake Batherson for Braden Schneider?

Nah without Schneider we'd be playing Libor Hajek every night. The Rangers have made it clear Braden is untouchable
 
Likely not. And honestly, that goes for every team in the league. He will not be signed or moved until more is known about his situation off the ice.

I think you're confusing Batherson and Formenton.

Batherson is currently playing (40pts/46games), is signed for 4 more seasons after this one at $4.9 AAV and has denied being part of the group accused in the HC scandal (although there's belief that he was "in the room" at one point, but left).
 
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I think you're confusing Batherson and Formenton.

Batherson is currently playing (40pts/46games), is signed for 4 more seasons after this one at $4.9 AAV and has denied being part of the group accused in the HC scandal (although there's belief that he was "in the room" at one point, but left).
Ah yes you are correct. I am getting their stories mixed up. Still a no though. Rangers dont have money for that, Ott likely just keeps him cause he is young and playing well, and off ice stuff could be a headache if things change.
 
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Yzerman gave out some baaaaaad contracts last summer.
The greatest GM in the history sports? You must be mistaken.

There were certain Rangers fans saying he was a better prospect than Seider, dude. And then the Stars fans took that shit and ran with it. So did Debbies and Fish fans.

So, I think the discussion is appropriate.
I’m sure at least one person on earth said Blais is better than Tkachuk at one point too
 
He played 2.5 mins/game on the PK with dreadful results and yes took 12 minors in 58 games which is not good for someone you're bringing in as depth.

Where are you pulling the results of his PKing? I'm legitimately curious as I can't find it.

Braden Schneider has 8 minors in 46 games so far this year which correlates to ~10 minors in 58 games. I don't consider 12 in 58 games someone I would classify as 'prone to penalties' I guess is my point.
 
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Frank and Mike McKenna discussed Gavrikov. He is #4-#6 D. He is not very physical D. Smart with puck. Defends well. McKenna isn't convinced Gavrikov is worth a #1 pick. TB gave up a 1st and 3rd Savard and a 4th for double retention. That was a big price.

Elliotte and Jeff said Columbus have given teams permission to speak with Gavrikov. Third pair D on a Cup winning team. Gavrikov is looking for a big contract. Maybe teams don't want to pay the price for a rental and Columbus said you can talk to him in a sign and trade.

They also discussed Georgiev's inconsistency.
 
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Frank and Mike McKenna discussed Gavrikov. He is #4-#6 D. He is not very physical D. Smart with puck. Defends well. McKenna isn't convinced Gavrikov is worth a #1 pick. TB gave up a 1st and 3rd Savard and a 4th for double retention. That was a big price.

Elliotte and Jeff said Columbus have given teams permission to speak with Gavrikov. Third pair D on a Cup winning team. Gavrikov is looking for a big contract. Maybe teams don't want to pay the price for a rental and Columbus said you can talk to him in a sign and trade.

They also discussed Georgiev's struggles.


He's David Savard 2.0. He's a good defenseman on a bad team so he is playing more than he should be. I hope some other team throws picks/prospects Columbus' way.

Nick Holden will cost peanuts comparatively and would fit better
 
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Where are you pulling the results of his PKing? I'm legitimately curious as I can't find it.

Braden Schneider has 8 minors in 46 games so far this year which correlates to ~10 minors in 58 games. I don't consider 12 in 58 games someone I would classify as 'prone to penalties' I guess is my point.

Braden Schneider has 1 minor penalty this year and 7 total PIM (one fight against Boston).


His PKing is a relatively moot point anyway since I don't think he would even be one of the top 4 PK options or on the PK at all. That role Harpur/Hajek/Jones has barely PKd. Schneider doesn't even PK. And I don't think come the playoffs they are going to do things that involve playing Fox less to give marginal players more ice time. And if they did want to do that, they already have Schneider available as the next man up.
 
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The greatest GM in the history sports? You must be mistaken.


I’m sure at least one person on earth said Blais is better than Tkachuk at one point too
May have happened, sure. But most of us can remember the Lundkvist stuff since we saw it on our board and the main board pretty regularly. Some random person somewhere out there thinking something about Blais and Tkachuk isn't really comparable, lol.
 
There were certain Rangers fans saying he was a better prospect than Seider, dude. And then the Stars fans took that shit and ran with it. So did Debbies and Fish fans.

So, I think the discussion is appropriate.
You (not specifically you, speaking generally) have to be better than the bad takes

When have they made that clear? link?
I think he would have been dealt already if he wasn’t untouchable to be honest
 

I feel for Blais. He never had a chance to live up to Buch, but he did have a chance to be a fan favorite and a cog in our return to contention. It's time to cut our losses though. f*** you Subban.
 
Logan Stanley is not what this team needs.

What they need back there is a Brett Kulak type of a player and to sit Trouba until he's healthy enough to not suck.

I'm old enough to remember some claiming he was better than Schneider and now he cant beat out Joel Hanley for a spot in the lineup

We had posters, more than a handful, who said he was better than Miller.

The twitter hype did him no favors here. He sucks less this year than he did last year and has shown at least some flashes of really good things, but he won't ever be anything more than a bottom pairing D at this level.
 


26:34 they discuss the Rangers. They must read this board. The Rangers have to figure what they've got. The Rangers don't know where everyone fits. They know more about Chytil. They don't know where Kakko and Lafreniere fit.
 
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Any worthwhile Euro/NCAA FAs this year?
The big name in the NCAA is Ryan McAllister. Leads the league in scoring. Plays for Western Michigan in the NCHC, which isn't a bad division. More often than not you usually see that from a player closer to his mid 20s that's been in the NCAA for a few years. Turned 21 last month, first year in college. You gotta figure teams will be all over him, it'll be interesting to see whether he stays in college or tries to turn pro right away. Ryan McAllister at eliteprospects.com

TJ Hughes played with McAllister where they dominated the AJHL. Surprisingly they've both transitioned to the NCAA nicely. Hughes plays a big role for Michigan. Same as above, 21, first year. I'd be surprised if he doesn't stay in college longer but he's definitely someone to watch T.J. Hughes at eliteprospects.com

Outside of maybe McAllister I don't know if there's really a Kevin Hayes or Vesey sort of FA. There's a few interesting ones but none that carry that sort of hype. Jami Krannila, Matt Brown, etc... I've seen a bit of Brown at BU. He's top 5 in scoring this year but hes a little older. Theres some skill there but I'm not sure how much it'll translate to the pros. If players like Aidan McDonough and Jackson LaCombe decline to sign with their teams this off-season it'll make the NCAA FA pool much better.

In the SHL defenceman Samuel Johannesson is someone to keep an eye on. Turned 22 three weeks ago. On pace for 41 points in 52 games. Tied for 10th in the entire league for scoring and 2nd for defenceman. The thing worth noting here is that he spent a few years playing a very limited role for Rögle before moving to Brynas this year where he's become a go-to player. He went from very little ice time to almost 20 minutes a game and now he's broken out this year. Whether he has an NHL future or not who knows, but seeing as we just traded Nils and our organizational depth on the right side is pretty weak I think it makes a lot of sense to take a chance here.

I'm not sure of the implications of the NHL and KHL severing ties because of the Russia/Ukraine thing but there are a handful of interesting players. Many of them do still have a year or 2 left on their deals, but in the past they've been able to get out of their contracts to sign in North America. I'm assuming that's still the case but I'm not sure. Stepan Nikulin, 21. He doesn't play a huge role for Lokomotiv but he's doing numbers. According to the KHL site he still has an extra year so he'd have to terminate his deal. If he remains in the KHL don't be surprised if he emerges as a top guy with more minutes. https://en.khl.ru/players/30641/
Vancouver just signed UDFA Kuzmenko from the KHL this past summer. He's quietly almost a point per game player and a candidate for rookie of the year. I'd be looking to poach young KHL players every off-season. Daniil Isayev and Dmitri Nikolayev are both emerging as goaltenders with real potential. Again though, both would have to get out of their deals. https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/339467/daniil-isayev
 


26:34 they discuss the Rangers. They must read this board. The Rangers have to figure what they've got. The Rangers don't know where everyone fits. They know more about Chytil. They don't know where Kakko and Lafreniere fit.


I think we see a repeat of last year's deadline where 2-4 depth pieces are added for cheap and they roll with that through the playoffs. I want to say they will move a core piece if they come up short, but we are probably stuck with the roster we have until the cap jumps and Trouba & Kreider's NMCs turn into NTCs in the summer of 2024, which is not the worst thing it the world but it will be a lot of the same whining here.
 
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