Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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Sign me up for guys like Dadonov, Nieto & Stanley. Will any of those guys cost more than a 3rd or 4th round pick? I doubt it. But all 3 are NHL quality players who can help us. There would be very little risk to adding 2 forwards and a defenseman at those low costs.

As for the cap situation going forward, Miller & Chytil are the priority. I don't see a ton of trouble getting either guy signed to comparable RFA contracts that weve discussed (4-5 mil for Chytil, 4.5 to 5.5 for Miller). Laf will be bridged like Kakko. The rest of the RFAs will take the minimum or be gone. Goodrow buyout (saves ~4mil on the cap the next 2 years) is the failsafe if something unforseen arises. Krav/Gaut or Hajek will go to arbitration to keep the second buyout window open.

I'm an optimist, but winning the Cup this year with a team like Boston out there is going to be a very tall task. I do think once were in, the Rangers can beat anyone and have as good a shot as anyone to come out of the Metro. The only way we go further than that is if Hartemi returns. We will have a better shot to win Cups with the core of Fox, Miller, Mika, Igor, the young D and the Kid line progressing. We have 8 major contributors under the age of 24. Make sure to lock those guys up and we will be a 10 year contender like everyone wants.

I truly think this is the way to go. Get a few good depth players. Find guys who the team has some interest in trying out for the future. Nieto, Leivo, Stanley. I am curious if a guy like Dadonov would take a low cap hit deal for next season if he found a role that fit him.
 
I truly think this is the way to go. Get a few good depth players. Find guys who the team has some interest in trying out for the future. Nieto, Leivo, Stanley. I am curious if a guy like Dadonov would take a low cap hit deal for next season if he found a role that fit him.

Dadonov is one of those guys who will probably go to the KHL if a deal doesn't develop in the summer. I do definitely foresee "bottom half of the roster" guys needing to take 1 or 2 year 800K deals like Vesey just to guarantee employment until the cap grows. Every team is being suffocated by the flat cap, it's not a problem exclusive to the Rangers, and if anything its not hurting us too bad.
 
Yup. People complain that the Rangers don't give enough time to our young players and site Hughes as an example of how to do it. If they actually watched a single second of him play from the moment he stepped on the ice he was fast, dynamic and hungry. He got more time cause he was too good not to give it to him.
Did you watch his rookie year? He was “not good.” Scored the same amount of points in his rookie season as Laf did in his, Hughes in 5 games more getting 4 mins more a game. Laf out scored him EV 21 to 12. Horrendous D, physically outmatched. The Devils stuck with him through the growing pains and they were rewarded for it. Hughes looks awesome now, but it’s totally revisionist to say he was good from the get go. Does this mean Laf would look great right now if we had given him the same treatment? No. But he would certainly be farther along in his development if we had. NYR and NJD were in completely different situations, NJ wasnt winning anything anyway, and there weren’t stars blocking Hughes from first line and pp1 time. So they just stuck with him even when he looked bad. Can’t fault NYR much for continuing to try to win, but Laf’s development rate is a cost of that.
 
I don’t agree with this. Rangers would have had a spot for Hughes in top six
Which center would they have displaced for him? Zib or Strome? Strome seems the choice but he’s Breads boy… But I’d still say there was a better chance he got top 6 because he’s a center.
 
Did you watch his rookie year? He was “not good.” Scored the same amount of points in his rookie season as Laf did in his, Hughes in 5 games more getting 4 mins more a game. Laf out scored him EV 21 to 12. Horrendous D, physically outmatched. The Devils stuck with him through the growing pains and they were rewarded for it. Hughes looks awesome now, but it’s totally revisionist to say he was good from the get go. Does this mean Laf would look great right now if we had given him the same treatment? No. But he would certainly be farther along in his development if we had. NYR and NJD were in completely different situations, NJ wasnt winning anything anyway, and there weren’t stars blocking Hughes from first line and pp1 time. So they just stuck with him even when he looked bad. Can’t fault NYR much for continuing to try to win, but Laf’s development rate is a cost of that.
I watched. He was weak, not bad. They are different. Just like Laf is slow, not bad. Those things can be remedied, but the player needs to take the initiative. Hughes did. Hopefully, Laf does as well.
 
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I watched. He was weak, not bad. They are different. Just like Laf is slow, not bad. Those things can be remedied, but the player needs to take the initiative. Hughes did. Hopefully, Laf does as well.
sure they’re different. And I’ve never thought either was a bust. My main point is that Hughes really didn’t earn all that ice time and responsibility. The Devs gave it to him and stuck with him through the rough patches. And for them it was the right choice. I have no doubt Laf would be father along with that treatment, I’m not saying a 50 goal pace, just farther along his arc and without the confidence problem.
And I totally agree Lafreniere needs to take the initiative this off season to improve his athleticism, skating and strength.
 
A dman that will clear the crease and stick up for teammates. A bigger Lindgren type



















Rangers should do what they can to get this done. good team player.


played with Trouba in his rookie year in Winnipeg


get me Watson at the deadline as well


I remember keeping an eye on him in his draft year. I believe Steve K liked him. He's done OK with WPG as far as development goes. They are the land of the Giants up there. He's also somewhat buried on the depth chart. Morrissey, Dillon, Samberg ahead of him on the left side. All of them are signed. Samberg is protected. RFA at the end of the season.

He is aggressive in his own zone.

He drop's the mitts, but i wouldn't call him a great fighter by any means. Size works to his advantage there but he's got a lot to learn. Then again, Cairns used to be terrible at it when he was younger, then became one really good at it later on so maybe theres room to improve.


Here's a pic when he played for Kitchener.

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I remember keeping an eye on him in his draft year. I believe Steve K liked him. He's done OK with WPG as far as development goes. They are the land of the Giants up there. He's also somewhat buried on the depth chart. Morrissey, Dillon, Samberg ahead of him on the left side. All of them are signed. Samberg is protected. RFA at the end of the season.

He is aggressive in his own zone.

He drop's the mitts, but i wouldn't call him a great fighter by any means. Size works to his advantage there but he's got a lot to learn. Then again, Cairns used to be terrible at it when he was younger, then became one really good at it later on so maybe theres room to improve.


Here's a pic when he played for Kitchener.

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They need someone on D that other teams need to be aware of in front of the net. Trouba has not been that player this year & Miller is improving in the physical department but he's not there yet. Fox and Lindgren are battlers but their size holds them back. Stanley-Schneider would be apretty intimidating pair.
 
sure they’re different. And I’ve never thought either was a bust. My main point is that Hughes really didn’t earn all that ice time and responsibility. The Devs gave it to him and stuck with him through the rough patches. And for them it was the right choice. I have no doubt Laf would be father along with that treatment, I’m not saying a 50 goal pace, just farther along his arc and without the confidence problem.
And I totally agree Lafreniere needs to take the initiative this off season to improve his athleticism, skating and strength.
I think offseason preparation is a big part of the equation. Folks have short memory issues in these parts but there were enough stretches last year where Lafreniere looked very good himself as well as in comparison to older Kakko. Scoring 19 ES goals last season wasn't a small feat and did get notice around the league. Unfortunately, IMO long season, successful finish and public accolades contributed to Lafreniere taking it easy in the offseason (Vally made somewhat similar implications). It should be a le$$on learned resulting in a cheap bridge deal - surely not what Lafreniere wanted / expected. We've seen a significant improvement in Kakko's game as he clearly worked hard in the offseason. I expect to see a similar if not more significant improvement in Lafreniere next year. I have a lot more faith in his commitment than Kravtsov's for comparison but maybe I will be surprised with the Russian too. Unfortunately, this development won't help the team much the rest of this season and playoffs.
 
Maybe a minor league deal with Nashville involving Tomasino.

One of Kulikov, Määtä, Gudas or Stanley on D
One of the big Arizona Boys (Bjugstad or Ritchie) as a mid-level FWD
Speed on the 4th line as in Erne or Nieto.
Then sit tight and see, if anything very cheap appears last minute at the TDL. It might...
 
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Maybe a minor league deal with Nashville involving Tomasino.

One of Kulikov, Määtä, Gudas or Stanley on D
One of the big Arizona Boys (Bjugstad or Ritchie) as a mid-level FWD
Speed on the 4th line as in Erne or Nieto.
Then sit tight and see, if anything very cheap appears last minute at the TDL. It might...
We need better forwards to complete THE TEMPLATE. Otherwise everyone is gonna be poopy pants that our kids are being buried for marginal players.
 
Maybe a minor league deal with Nashville involving Tomasino.

One of Kulikov, Määtä, Gudas or Stanley on D
One of the big Arizona Boys (Bjugstad or Ritchie) as a mid-level FWD
Speed on the 4th line as in Erne or Nieto.
Then sit tight and see, if anything very cheap appears last minute at the TDL. It might...

I wonder if something like Zac Jones for Tomasino would interest the Preds. Nashville has an older high priced D core with Fabbro needing a new deadl, maybe theyd be interested in a guy like Jones to offset that
 
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Stanley is not good. He's just big. He also kills possession by taking tons of completely unnecessary point shots not to mention he takes a lot of penalties. And his value will be artificially high because "former first round pick." Zero interest. We can find someone better.
 
I wonder if something like Zac Jones for Tomasino would interest the Preds. Nashville has an older high priced D core with Fabbro needing a new deadl, maybe theyd be interested in a guy like Jones to offset that


I’d take that and run as a Rangers fan. Love Tomasino. I’d have him replace Sammy Stone Heads Blais
 
Stanley is not good. He's just big. He also kills possession by taking tons of completely unnecessary point shots not to mention he takes a lot of penalties. And his value will be artificially high because "former first round pick." Zero interest. We can find someone better.

Just looking at stats from last year. He played almost 2 1/2 minutes on the PK every game and, while he had 44 PIM's, he had 20 Mins in fighting majors (4 fights per hockey fights website) so that's 24 minutes of PIM's in 58 games? I wouldn't call that a lot of penalties really especially for a 23/24 year old 6'7 d-man who is still filling out and learning how to play in the NHL. I mean that's 12 penalties over 58 games or a penalty every 5 games?
 
Friedman saying Stevie Y is having difficulty getting a deal done with Larkin. Cant believe the best GM in Hockey cant get his homegrown captain under contract
Larkin might not be looking for money, but a place where he’s not gonna be rebuilding for another 3 years of an 8 year deal.
Detroit was expected to take a major step this year.
 
Just looking at stats from last year. He played almost 2 1/2 minutes on the PK every game and, while he had 44 PIM's, he had 20 Mins in fighting majors (4 fights per hockey fights website) so that's 24 minutes of PIM's in 58 games? I wouldn't call that a lot of penalties really especially for a 23/24 year old 6'7 d-man who is still filling out and learning how to play in the NHL. I mean that's 12 penalties over 58 games or a penalty every 5 games?

He played 2.5 mins/game on the PK with dreadful results and yes took 12 minors in 58 games which is not good for someone you're bringing in as depth.
 
Friedman saying Stevie Y is having difficulty getting a deal done with Larkin. Cant believe the best GM in Hockey cant get his homegrown captain under contract
I remember hearing on 32T during the summer, Yzerman got sticker shock after the deals to Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou, Tage Thompson and JT MIller.
 
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