Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[DanielBrassard]

As much as I'd like Meier we can't afford to trade Fil. Wouldn't make any sense.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Just because San Jose seeks a young center doesn't mean that they will get one.

 

[McRanger92]

Carolina is much more solid in net and on D than last year, an Pacioretty is a potentially big piece at F for them. and Colorado is getting healthy and imo about to go on a run.

Carolina looks the same as they always do. Great regular season team. Kotchetkov couldnt stop a beach ball against us and I'll believe Freddie Andersen is a threat if they can get him out of the tub long enough. I have always maintained that their lack of elite talent holds them back compared to other eastern Playoff teams that are mostly star laden. Patches will help, but hes another guy who is always hurt.

Colorado also just lost Makar on top of all their other issues. Landeskog's return is not on the horizon and they have a massive hole at 2c because Newhook has been underwhelming in a larger role (it's not just us apparently). Regardless, I'll be happy to get a crack at the Avs because it means we're in the Finals.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

Carolina is much more solid in net and on D than last year, an Pacioretty is a potentially big piece at F for them. and Colorado is getting healthy and imo about to go on a run.

colorado losing both burakovsky and kadri is huge. that's 2/3 of a top line. newhook and company are still working on being a cohesive effective unit.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Yes, I do. The only real difference would be that they skate faster. In fact l wouldn’t be surprised if all 3 rode the bench more, given they turn the puck over at a much higher rate

Bold

 

[gravey9]

This is the stance that has caused this franchise to win 1 Stanley Cup in 80+ years.

If that's the stance we're going to take, we might as well trade the majority of our 1st round picks (which, not surprisingly, we've done in the past). Also not surprisingly, we haven't developed many great homegrown scorers and haven't had a ton of Stanley Cup success. Because we've been about taking developed assets from other organizations whose best days are likely behind them, paying them tons of money they quickly won't deserve based on downward production trends, and tried to fit that in the most restrictive salary cap in sports. And surprisingly, it hasn't worked.

Maybe we should stop having this sentiment and actually believe in development. Especially forward/scoring development. Because having offensive production from "kids" on discounted ELC or RFA contracts ss actually the best way to handle such a restrictive cap structure.

Well, the issue is, if it's not a development league why the F are we having 18 year olds start in the NHL? If it's not a development league, no one should be in the NHL until they're like 22. With very very rare exception for the truly generational #1 picks like Crosby and Ovy and McDavid. But the issue is, a good 1/3 of the Rangers are 23 and unders. Like it or not, we are developing kids even if it's not our focus. It's just a part of the biz of the NHL these days. The whole, the NHL is not a development league may be a truism, but it's ignoring the economic realities of the cap era, let alone the flat cap era. Teams are beholden to develop some players in the NHL. The Rangers who were hellbent on rushing every first round pick to the NHL have a responsibility to all those first round picks to develop them in the NHL. It's an abdication of their responsibility to these young men. And to the success of the org.

 

[duhmetreE]

Just because San Jose seeks a young center doesn't mean that they will get one.

technically they have a great chance in getting one... in Bedard, Fantilli, Yager or Smith.

 

[McRanger92]

Well, the issue is, if it's not a development league why the F are we having 18 year olds start in the NHL? If it's not a development league, no one should be in the NHL until they're like 22. With very very rare exception for the truly generational #1 picks like Crosby and Ovy and McDavid. But the issue is, a good 1/3 of the Rangers are 23 and unders. Like it or not, we are developing kids even if it's not our focus. It's just a part of the biz of the NHL these days. The whole, the NHL is not a development league may be a truism, but it's ignoring the economic realities of the cap era, let alone the flat cap era. Teams are beholden to develop some players in the NHL. The Rangers who were hellbent on rushing every first round pick to the NHL have a responsibility to all those first round picks to develop them in the NHL. It's an abdication of their responsibility to these young men. And to the success of the org.

In the flat cap world development needs to happen at the NHL level. Luckily for the Rangers, it's going pretty well. despite the narrative. Only one of the u23 guys on the roster doesnt look good right now, but he's just struggling like Kakko & Fil did last year, theyll all be fine.

 

[haohmaru]

This is the stance that has caused this franchise to win 1 Stanley Cup in 80+ years.

If that's the stance we're going to take, we might as well trade the majority of our 1st round picks (which, not surprisingly, we've done in the past). Also not surprisingly, we haven't developed many great homegrown scorers and haven't had a ton of Stanley Cup success. Because we've been about taking developed assets from other organizations whose best days are likely behind them, paying them tons of money they quickly won't deserve based on downward production trends, and tried to fit that in the most restrictive salary cap in sports. And surprisingly, it hasn't worked.

Maybe we should stop having this sentiment and actually believe in development. Especially forward/scoring development. Because having offensive production from "kids" on discounted ELC or RFA contracts ss actually the best way to handle such a restrictive cap structure.

No, it’s the stance of every NHL organization - it’s just that our 1OA got drafted to a team that has better players in front of him which isn’t the norm.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Just because San Jose seeks a young center doesn't mean that they will get one.

Yeah I think a deal could still get done without Fil involved I was just speaking to the idea of trading him specifically.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Trading Chytil would be such a dumb move. Investing 5 seasons into the growing pains of a young homegrown center and then dealing him right when he looks to be taking a step in his development. Such a dumb suggestion. The logical move is to lock him up and promote him above Trocheck and be 3C deep at reasonable cap hits.

 

[bhamill]

Do you think Jack Hughes would currently be struggling if teams and roles were reversed with Laff? Zegras? Stutzle? Because I don't.

Hard to say, no? Since they actually got treated like high draft picks, had no one blocking them, and were stuck with in responsible roles/powerplay time/top line minutes.
What I think matters little. We can't know. BUT since you ask, I think they'd all be farther along than Laf, because they are all three smaller speed/shiftiness players that tend to develop a bit more quickly... but not where they are. Everyone talks about their confidence and such... why do you think they HAVE that? Because their teams let them play through their growing pains. Look at Jack Hughes' rookie year and tell me how it was better than Laf's... Woof.
Point remains: how do we rationally expect the normal high pick development arc when the player is not getting the normal high pick usage/responsibility? That makes no sense.

The NHL is not a developmental league.

Sure. But then they should leave 18-21 year olds in CHL, College, AHL, etc... because they all need to develop.

 

[leetch99]

Can or does Drury use LTIR as a workaround for next season ? Panarin-Trouba both prime injury candidates after a long playoff run and likely could use a half seasons rest . Also Lindgren and Goodrow will be spent as well . I'm not sure how it would work with regard to the timing of it all and contracts that need to be signed by certain dates and the Summer Cap situation . Other clubs have abused LTIR....haven't they ??? Kucherov ? Anyways...just asking .....half a season from Panarin and Trouba would cover Meier salary ? How do we get them to the Kucherov state ?

 

[kovazub94]

Counter counterpoint: gifting ice time to a kid who is clearly struggling and fighting the puck is also not development.

Counter counterpoint: gifting ice time to a kid who is clearly struggling and fighting the puck is also not development and will ensure we won't win in the future either.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think I would probably go into a depression if they moved Chytil for 3 months of Meier

 

[NYR Viper]

The move is Labanc people. Not Meier. Back-up is Dadonov.

Beef up the 4th line with the team's version of Marron in Brett Ritchie.

Go find a depth d-man somewhere for cheap ala Braun last year. Holden is my preference but there are others.

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah I think a deal could still get done without Fil involved I was just speaking to the idea of trading him specifically.

If were going off recent history, the best comp is Kevin Fiala (80 point winger, 26 years old, RFA with a high QO). Minnesota got a 1st & D prospect Brock Faber for him (with a 7.875 AAV extension). 1st and Zac Jones may not be quite enough but it's close considering the strong draft and only getting a couple months of Meier

 

[TheDirtyH]

Lebancs track record is concerning. He's exactly the kind of player who would get here and revert to what put him in San Jose's doghouse for three years.

Well, the issue is, if it's not a development league why the F are we having 18 year olds start in the NHL? If it's not a development league, no one should be in the NHL until they're like 22. With very very rare exception for the truly generational #1 picks like Crosby and Ovy and McDavid. But the issue is, a good 1/3 of the Rangers are 23 and unders. Like it or not, we are developing kids even if it's not our focus. It's just a part of the biz of the NHL these days. The whole, the NHL is not a development league may be a truism, but it's ignoring the economic realities of the cap era, let alone the flat cap era. Teams are beholden to develop some players in the NHL. The Rangers who were hellbent on rushing every first round pick to the NHL have a responsibility to all those first round picks to develop them in the NHL. It's an abdication of their responsibility to these young men. And to the success of the org.

Its a truism, but I'm not convinced it's true anymore. As you point out, the league is getting younger at an accelerating rate, and it's just unheard of for players picked in the slots Kakko and Lafreniere were picked to be given roles and usage like they were. Its not a development league, but teams are more and more willing to accept losses in return for giving young talent opportunity. Colorado had one of the worst seasons of all time with MacKinnon, Rantanen, and landeskog at the top of their roster.

 

[McRanger92]

Can or does Drury use LTIR as a workaround for next season ? Panarin-Trouba both prime injury candidates after a long playoff run and likely could use a half seasons rest . Also Lindgren and Goodrow will be spent as well . I'm not sure how it would work with regard to the timing of it all and contracts that need to be signed by certain dates and the Summer Cap situation . Other clubs have abused LTIR....haven't they ??? Kucherov ? Anyways...just asking .....half a season from Panarin and Trouba would cover Meier salary ? How do we get them to the Kucherov state ?

I dont know enough about CBA hijinks but its absolutely something the organization needs to be aware of

 

[Savant]

Just because San Jose seeks a young center doesn't mean that they will get one.

Grier knows what we have. If there is a doable package they will be able to find one

 

[DanielBrassard]

If were going off recent history, the best comp is Kevin Fiala (80 point winger, 26 years old, RFA with a high QO). Minnesota got a 1st & D prospect Brock Faber for him (with a 7.875 AAV extension). 1st and Zac Jones may not be quite enough but it's close considering the strong draft and only getting a couple months of Meier

The big difference is Minnesota was in a cap crunch where they couldnt afford Fiala, SJ is not in a bind with Meier and could always choose to keep him. I would imagine it would take more than Jones+1st.

 

[McRanger92]

The big difference is Minnesota was in a cap crunch where they couldnt afford Fiala, SJ is not in a bind with Meier and could always choose to keep him. I would imagine it would take more than Jones+1st.

Fair point. SJ just wont get a player of Chytil (or Laf's) ability without an extension in place

 

[UnSandvich]

Honestly depending on the price, Puljujarvi could be a decent deadline add for the bottom 6. Could always flip him in the off-season, and considering EDM is trying to clear cap I can’t imagine he costs a fortune.

 

[haohmaru]

Sure. But then they should leave 18-21 year olds in CHL, College, AHL, etc... because they all need to develop.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all and you know it.

If there's a spot for the guy and you know your team isn't doing shit this year then, sure, have it and let him do his thing.

The thing with Lafreniere that blows all of this up is that he hasn't shown flashes of being better than anyone in front of him - even with some looks on the top line and the PP. It's not like he's languishing on the 4th line and playing seven minutes a night. He's playing fifteen. FIFTEEN against the other team's 3rd best offering most of the time and he hasn't scored in 16 games. He's on pace for EIGHT goals. There has been nothing there for a month and a half. They should send him to the Pack for two weeks and, if the talent is there, let him light the AHL on fire and come back with renewed confidence.

This whole "developmental" argument would make a whole lot more sense if Lafreniere were tantalizing you with bits and pieces of what might be. He hasn't.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The move is Labanc people. Not Meier. Back-up is Dadonov.

Beef up the 4th line with the team's version of Marron in Brett Ritchie.

Go find a depth d-man somewhere for cheap ala Braun last year. Holden is my preference but there are others.

yeah I like this approach, similar to last year. I think Labanc May cost a bit with 50% retention through next year but we should try. dadonov would come for nothing. I’d like to kick the tires on Berbashev as well. I also check in with Kulikov and Maata before I arrive at Holden but conceptually this is it.