Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[SA16]

Shane Wright has been scratched a bunch
Marco Rossi has been scratched a bunch
Brandt Clarke has been scratched a bunch
Alexander Holtz has been scratched a bunch
Dylan Holloway has been scratched a bunch

It is really not a big deal or uncommon. Kravtsov will get back in the lineup at some point and hopefully take advantage of the opportunity.

 

[bleedblue94]

Shane Wright has been scratched a bunch
Marco Rossi has been scratched a bunch
Brandt Clarke has been scratched a bunch
Alexander Holtz has been scratched a bunch
Dylan Holloway has been scratched a bunch

It is really not a big deal or uncommon. Kravtsov will get back in the lineup at some point and hopefully take advantage of the opportunity.

They are also all younger and have projected to be more mature in their handling of scratches. I hope kravtsov can handle this well and work his way back in but now we have the passive aggressive social media wipe from him which isn't a great sign of that maturity.

 

[Daves a mess]

I think Ryan Lindgren looks like Jeffrey Dahmer

Jeff was taller. Surprisingly Big dude.

The goons are gone with the dinosaurs. I wish people would stop pining for useless fighters who only fight the other useless fighters.

There are people who like it. Grew up on it. Played it. You don't like it. That's fine. Some do. You hoping that they don't will not happen. Difference of opinion. That's ok.

 

[Daves a mess]

This is the dumbest organization ever

You going to follow Krav to his next team ( Ala Webster) or stay a Ranger fan?

 

[Mandar]

What has kravtsov done to deserve ice? What impact has he had when he has played? If we didn't use a top 10 pick on him he wouldnt even be a topic here. Hoping the kid does something to make an impact but he's been worse here this year then he was when he had that cameo at the end of the season years ago.

Absolutely correct…..and indisputable.

Kudo’s to you.

 

[EdJovanovski]

You going to follow Krav to his next team ( Ala Webster) or stay a Ranger fan?

Who’s Webster?
I’ll root for him as a player but I will always be a Ranger fan. If it were a choice I would’ve abandoned this cursed organization years ago

 

[Daves a mess]

Who’s Webster?
I’ll root for him as a player but I will always be a Ranger fan. If it were a choice I would’ve abandoned this cursed organization years ago

Remember that guy who followed around and posted only about Zuccarello and EVERYTHING Zuccarello a few years ago? You were here then right?
He was absolutely crushed when Zucc got moved by the NYRs. He defended Zucc at every turn and blamed the Rangers for everything. People swore it was Matts brother Fabian. Some still do.

Then Zucc got traded to Dallas and he became a Stars fan. Then on to Minny where he became a Wild fan. Truth is he just roots for the player.

Glad you'll stick around when he's gone.

Hope he ends up on the Islanders or Devils so you start eating Lexapro like PEZ candy.

 

[egelband]

I think they recognize that, you do need more than one style of player. That’s why they coveted Othmann, he seems to have that edge to his game. Lafreniere has that edge to his game too if he ever gets the confidence. You don’t need a whole team of Tkachuks you just need 1 or 2

Yep. I mentioned this somewhere else. Need a critical mass of grit and it will prop up the finesse guys enough. The ‘toughness tipping point’. Not sure this team is there, but hopefully on the right track.

 

[egelband]

Soft and easy to play against, but you don't need shannahan to fix that. Nyr is starting to mirror the leafs in it's soft, top heavy construction but they have done with by committing most of the big money to 30 year olds or soon to be 30 year olds (except fox). It's a generally soft, finesse group with tremendous individual skill that is easier to play against than they ever should be.

I tend to agree. But I’m surprised because by any measure most of the roster is fairly gritty. Trouba, Schneider, Goodrow, Blais, Trocheck, Lindgren all play with snarl and I don’t see most of the others as pushovers or guys another team would target. Gauthier, Kakko, Chytil, Hajek, Lafreniere, Carpenter, Kreider are all big and pretty robust. Fox doesn’t get hit much at all. Mika, Kravtsov, Panarin, Jones are the only guys I’d consider vulnerable.

 

[duhmetreE]

Our loss was because of hitting the post six times.

Our loss was because we didn't score enough. We were playing the worst team in the league. The worst defense in the league. The worst PK in the league.

hitting the post is not good enough.
almost scoring is not good enough.
winning the xG battle is not good enough.

It's been the same issue, save a few games.

 

[egelband]

doesnt Gallant like tougher teams? Even those Florida teams had some bite on them. I feel Rangers are getting younger to replace Reaves maybe will call up Cuylle or Rempe sooner than later. .

Gallant himself was a tough player but I’ve never considered his teams as tough, per se. I actually think he coaches a pretty stand-up game but I am no expert.

 

[egelband]

We've had turd final score games. The last game the Rangers out chanced the Ducks 2-1 and hit six posts along with a Halak freebie.

The problem now is the balanced lineup. He's not going in on the 4th line and really hasn't earned displacing someone else in front of him. Goodrow is on pace for 20 / 20. Vesey has points in three of four. He has to wait.

Blais looks to be laboring. He can sit a game or two. And I like Blais. But let him sit for a bit.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Blais looks to be laboring. He can sit a game or two. And I like Blais. But let him sit for a bit.

Laboring is an understatement. He can barely skate.

 

[GAGLine]

If we cant get patty kane at deadline (I really think we will), thoughts on
- max domi for the same exact copp deal last year
- Tyler motte and nick holden for a 2023 3rd and 2024 4th.

Based on todays line this would result in
Bread-zib-kreider
Kids
Vesey-trocheck-domi
Motte-goody-goat
Blais

Holden added as 6th/7th dman insurance

Domi doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of value.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Gallant himself was a tough player but I’ve never considered his teams as tough, per se. I actually think he coaches a pretty stand-up game but I am no expert.

His teams were physical though, I thought the Vegas team was physical when he coached them.

 

[bleedblue94]

I tend to agree. But I’m surprised because by any measure most of the roster is fairly gritty. Trouba, Schneider, Goodrow, Blais, Trocheck, Lindgren all play with snarl and I don’t see most of the others as pushovers or guys another team would target. Gauthier, Kakko, Chytil, Hajek, Lafreniere, Carpenter, Kreider are all big and pretty robust. Fox doesn’t get hit much at all. Mika, Kravtsov, Panarin, Jones are the only guys I’d consider vulnerable.

But the point is look at where you grouped the core of this team. It's three best players are in your vulnerable group. Then you have 3 or 4 more of your core in the robust group (Miller is also missing) but who out of them is hard to play against or has that edge to them? At this point out of laffy kakko Kreider and chytil I would argue that kakko has become a stubborn player to play against while chytil might be the most annoying and difficult guy from that group for the opposition with his skating and impact, and this is coming from someone who has been openly very critical about both these players but they have been two of our better players this year. All the players in the gritty/hard to play against grouping are not the players that typically are your impact players. Trouba is paid like one but that group at this point isn't the drivers on this team. You need the mentality to permeate through the lineup and not just be tied to a few bottom 6 players. That's why players with an edge that can play beyond the bottom 6 are invaluable, by even if you have an edge to the rest of the players that are loaded with skill it has an effect. I mean look at the avs. MacKinnon isnt a grinder but that guy has an edge to him. Rantanen isn't Bob probert but he's hard to play against. Landeskog bonds it all together and he did that even before he became a point producer. Say what you will about Tampa but their skill guys have an edge to them and it goes through the lineup. It matters in this sport and it isn't something that you can quantify in analytics.

 

[bleedblue94]

His teams were physical though, I thought the Vegas team was physical when he coached them.

That team had an edge bc they had the no one wanted us mentality. They had a chip on their shoulder and it helped make them better and hard to play against. Gallant here does a MASTERFUL job managing the media and quelling most fires before they can start. He is terrific at saying stuff without giving the media fodder and protecting his guys. That's why when he kicks them in the media or is such a big idea, but where is that from the players themselves? Where is something beyond the typical vanilla "the guys battled hard" blah blah blah. Someone (a team leader) should be standing up whether in the room or to the media saying we are better than this, we know we are, it's time to stop messing around and start imposing our will on other teams instead of just taking what other teams give us.

Laboring is an understatement. He can barely skate.

Unfortunately injuries have crushed him. The subban play really wrecked this guy. He was really starting to find a grove by providing physicality with some playmaking. It was a nice combo to see but F subban

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

At this point I have no idea wtf this organization is doing anymore. Even I think Krapsoft needs to play. He’s going to have growing pains he’s a kid and still trying to find his way/find a comfort zone. The past is the past, I thought it was all about a clean slate with him. The injuries haven’t helped but for God’s sake you wasted a top 10 pick on him and the other options aren’t really any better. Give him a long leash and let’s see what the kid is made of. It’s becoming more and more realistic that this organization could pull an Edmonton Oilers and waste 4 top 10 picks in a row. Unbelievable. Imagine if this team didn’t draft Igor, trade for Fox, it would be the Dark Ages all over again.

 

[kovazub94]

Shane Wright has been scratched a bunch
Marco Rossi has been scratched a bunch
Brandt Clarke has been scratched a bunch
Alexander Holtz has been scratched a bunch
Dylan Holloway has been scratched a bunch

It is really not a big deal or uncommon. Kravtsov will get back in the lineup at some point and hopefully take advantage of the opportunity.

But Kravtsov “wiped” his IG account, it’s different.

 

[egelband]

His teams were physical though, I thought the Vegas team was physical when he coached them.

Physical, yes. Physical like the Callahan rangers were physical. Definitely. But not an intimidating type physical. I thought that was the suggestion, so I might be just misunderstanding.

But the point is look at where you grouped the core of this team. It's three best players are in your vulnerable group. Then you have 3 or 4 more of your core in the robust group (Miller is also missing) but who out of them is hard to play against or has that edge to them? At this point out of laffy kakko Kreider and chytil I would argue that kakko has become a stubborn player to play against while chytil might be the most annoying and difficult guy from that group for the opposition with his skating and impact, and this is coming from someone who has been openly very critical about both these players but they have been two of our better players this year. All the players in the gritty/hard to play against grouping are not the players that typically are your impact players. Trouba is paid like one but that group at this point isn't the drivers on this team. You need the mentality to permeate through the lineup and not just be tied to a few bottom 6 players. That's why players with an edge that can play beyond the bottom 6 are invaluable, by even if you have an edge to the rest of the players that are loaded with skill it has an effect. I mean look at the avs. MacKinnon isnt a grinder but that guy has an edge to him. Rantanen isn't Bob probert but he's hard to play against. Landeskog bonds it all together and he did that even before he became a point producer. Say what you will about Tampa but their skill guys have an edge to them and it goes through the lineup. It matters in this sport and it isn't something that you can quantify in analytics.

Yeah. For sure. Our top guys have zero ‘edge’. But I don’t think there’s much we can do about that. I can’t see Drury moving Panarin or Zibanejad and I don’t even think Fox is soft anyhow. Would love to have a gritty star, sure.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Physical, yes. Physical like the Callahan rangers were physical. Definitely. But not an intimidating type physical. I thought that was the suggestion, so I might be just misunderstanding.

Gallant's Knights teams were more aggressive than they were physical. But Reaves Carrier & Nosek hit everything in site as a very effective 4th line. This years' Reaves has lost 3 steps since then.

 

[duhmetreE]

Serious question. Who on this team looks sharp, skill wise?

Is this not a problem?

 

[Fitzy]

Serious question. Who on this team looks sharp, skill wise?

Is this not a problem?

I don't think that's the issue at all. We saw NYR teams without much skill make things happen in the 2010's and this team clearly has talent in scores.

Zuccarello is a talented player- no doubt- but when he came here it was almost a revelation, we hadn't had a player that could weight passes like Jagr and Nylander had for a long ass time.

I think the problem is that we've got a style that doesn't work against forechecking pressure and cynical hockey. Even the most talented NHL rosters had lines and players who mixed things up- the Penguins, Hawks, and other dynasties. We don't have the roster balance of skill and grit that we need.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Laboring is an understatement. He can barely skate.

Subban is such a selfish PoS.

Dude was toast. He knew he was toast. Still, he hit the ice to steal that last year of salary and in the meanwhile used slewfooting as a defensive tool on the regular to cover up his lack of effective skating.

So many players up and down the conference got dumped by a has-been last year. Blais was unfortunate enough to have what looks like career altering issues from it. Lest we forget his first victim, Revo.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Physical, yes. Physical like the Callahan rangers were physical. Definitely. But not an intimidating type physical. I thought that was the suggestion, so I might be just misunderstanding.


Yeah. For sure. Our top guys have zero ‘edge’. But I don’t think there’s much we can do about that. I can’t see Drury moving Panarin or Zibanejad and I don’t even think Fox is soft anyhow. Would love to have a gritty star, sure.

I wish we had Callahan type physical. Not a goon like Reaves. I miss those Torts hard working teams. Rangers need to get back to that hard working blue collar mentality. A team that relies on their skill and that has too much finesse goes nowhere in the playoffs