Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Zynbanejad]

Only Ranger fans could so spoiled to be gifted with and watch the most dynamic forward the organization has ever had, only to want to run him off cause he isn’t playing what they consider to be “the Ranger way”

Hate to break it to everyone but the Ranger way hasn’t won shit in almost 30 years

Which forward?

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Which forward?

Panarin. Dude acts like we didn't offer him a Scrooge McDuck-sized pile of loot in exchange for his services.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The Rangers got incredibly unlucky with Covid. Their 3 most onerous contracts (Panarin, Trouba, and Kreider) were all signed just prior to the Covid shutdown, and subsequent flat cap. We'd probably be looking at $3-4M less on those contracts had they happened just a year later. I know every team probably has a contract or two like that, but the Rangers spent BIG that summer assuming the cap would keep inflating, yet had something literally unprecedented happen to mess that up.

There’s nothing wrong with Kreider’s contract, Trochek’s is much worse

 

[bl02]

There’s nothing wrong with Kreider’s contract, Trochek’s is much worse

I would say let's give Trocheck a full year and a playoff run. He's had an up and down season (mostly down last few weeks). Still think his style should do well in the playoffs.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Id probably trade Laf and a 1st (maybe both?) if we could get Timo on an extension within reason. He's a stud.



I mean yeah in a perfect world. Boston wont let him leave though

LOL no

2 firsts in potentially the deepest draft in years for Meier? Oo and the 1st overall pick from 2 seasons ago whose in his 3rd year.

This board is out to lunch

 

[McRanger92]

LOL no

2 firsts in potentially the deepest draft in years for Meier? Oo and the 1st overall pick from 2 seasons ago whose in his 3rd year.

This board is out to lunch

Those firsts are burning a hole in Drury's pocket lol. I doubt he trades any for a rental, but Id bet he is on the lookout for a good player on a 2-3 year deal they can get on a retained contract. There are names out there.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Those firsts are burning a hole in Drury's pocket lol. I doubt he trades any for a rental, but Id bet he is on the lookout for a good player on a 2-3 year deal they can get on a retained contract. There are names out there.

Under no circumstances should any of those firsts be in play. Especially when you consider the cap could stay stagnant for another year. Good teams continue to stay good because they capitalize on deep drafts.

Including laf is just flat out dumb. Laf had 52 career nhl points before Meier was even an nhl player. At 20 Meier had 6 points and as a 21 year old he had 36…..the fascination of trading laf is laughable

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Id probably trade Laf and a 1st (maybe both?) if we could get Timo on an extension within reason. He's a stud.

Nope....one player is not going to put us closer to the Cup -- not even a "stud".

 

[McRanger92]

Under no circumstances should any of those firsts be in play. Especially when you consider the cap could stay stagnant for another year. Good teams continue to stay good because they capitalize on deep drafts.

Including laf is just flat out dumb. Laf had 52 career nhl points before Meier was even an nhl player. At 20 Meier had 6 points and as a 21 year old he had 36…..the fascination of trading laf is laughable

Id like them to keep 1 of them sure. Neither is untouchable, nor is Lafreniere.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Id like them to keep 1 of them sure. Neither is untouchable, nor is Lafreniere.

If I’m trading laf and 2 first round picks as you alluded to it sure as hell won’t be for f***ing Timo Meier.

Nothing is untouchable. But Timo Meier for all of those 3 assets is a terrible move

Laf and 2 firsts could get you a hell of a lot more. If laf is included in a deal you better be getting back a superstar. And by superstar I mean a superstar.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Under no circumstances should any of those firsts be in play. Especially when you consider the cap could stay stagnant for another year. Good teams continue to stay good because they capitalize on deep drafts.

Including laf is just flat out dumb. Laf had 52 career nhl points before Meier was even an nhl player. At 20 Meier had 6 points and as a 21 year old he had 36…..the fascination of trading laf is laughable

Odds are the 1sts will be in play, the Rangers are a competitive team with a core that includes 2 31 year olds, 2 29 year olds and a 27 year old goalie who has this year and 2 more before he becomes a UFA. Plus both picks are going to be later in the round.

As for the 2nd point, who cares, Meier is the much superior player right now and likely will be for the remainder of both of their careers. he also plays a position of need, which is top-6 RW. Rangers are in it to win it in the present, that's just the way it is.

 

[McRanger92]

Nope....one player is not going to put us closer to the Cup -- not even a "stud".

We are a Cup contender today. Add a player of Timo Meier's caliber and we are the clear favorite in the Metro and would have a good chance against any of the Big Bad's in the Atlantic

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Those firsts are burning a hole in Drury's pocket lol. I doubt he trades any for a rental, but Id bet he is on the lookout for a good player on a 2-3 year deal they can get on a retained contract. There are names out there.

I dont think either of the 1sts are burning a hole in Drurys pocket. Lets be real here, Drury in the past 2 drafts has started to put his stamp on the team, adding players who can play who has speed, grit, 2way, in your face type games.

Those (2) 1st round picks are more ammo for him at the draft to continue to build the foundation of this team in HIS image. While Meier is worth 1 of those picks, i dont want to move any 1sts for him if we cant resign him. Besides Meier and being unable to keep him post postseason there is nobody on the trade lists that Drury should be moving his 1st rounders for.

Again this is a very talented draft and great teams keep their window open for a long time by either drafting well and keeping their picks or by trading their picks for young ascending players who can play for their team for more than half a season.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Odds are the 1sts will be in play, the Rangers are a competitive team with a core that includes 2 31 year olds, 2 29 year olds and a 27 year old goalie who has this year and 2 more before he becomes a UFA. Plus both picks are going to be later in the round.

As for the 2nd point, who cares, Meier is the much superior player right now and likely will be for the remainder of both of their careers. he also plays a position of need, which is top-6 RW. Rangers are in it to win it in the present, that's just the way it is.

Lol that’s not their only core

Their core is shesty, fox, miller, Schneider, Kakko, laf, krav, Othmann, 2 first rounders this year

The rangers have the potential to be true contender for the next 10 years. But instead let’s blow it all for Meier, who while he is good and I’d love him, will be a rental. Idk how you expect us to pay him

And likely to be better than lafs entire career is laughable.

 

[McRanger92]

I dont think either of the 1sts are burning a hole in Drurys pocket. Lets be real here, Drury in the past 2 drafts has started to put his stamp on the team, adding players who can play who has speed, grit, 2way, in your face type games.

Those (2) 1st round picks are more ammo for him at the draft to continue to build the foundation of this team in HIS image. While Meier is worth 1 of those picks, i dont want to move any 1sts for him if we cant resign him. Besides Meier and being unable to keep him post postseason there is nobody on the trade lists that Drury should be moving his 1st rounders for.

Again this is a very talented draft and great teams keep their window open for a long time by either drafting well and keeping their picks or by trading their picks for young ascending players who can play for their team for more than half a season.

Keep 1 of the 1sts if it's so important to have one in the annual "strongest draft in decades." We can't develop prospects anyway so why are we hell bent on bringing in more that wont crack the lineup until Igor is 30 years old?. These picks will be in the mid-late 20s anyway (where admittedly the Rangers do quite well lol)

 

[Deleted member 23124]

We are a Cup contender today. Add a player of Timo Meier's caliber and we are the clear favorite in the Metro and would have a good chance against any of the Big Bad's in the Atlantic

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Lol that’s not their only core

Their core is shesty, fox, miller, Schneider, Kakko, laf, krav, Othmann, 2 first rounders this year

The rangers have the potential to be true contender for the next 10 years. But instead let’s blow it all for Meier, who while he is good and I’d love him, will be a rental. Idk how you expect us to pay him

And likely to be better than lafs entire career is laughable.

Obviously Fox is part of the core and you can make a case for Miller and maybe Fil. The others are not core players yet. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, and Trocheck are their core players up front. They want to win while they are still in their primes.

Not it's not laughable at all

 

[mike14]

How about Tony Duclair as a RW option with some finish? I know he's got another year left but it's only 3 mil AAV and probably easily moveable in the offseason.

I never loved him as a player but he fits the mold of a useful player that a cap strapped team may give away for nothing, like Vatrano last year.

Depends on how he comes back from the injury, but could be some very useful playoff depth at a reasonable price, and as you say should also be movable in the offseason if needed.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Krav will get moved, not Laf... at least not now.

Don't see Laf for Meier as a real thing either. There is no way they can afford Meier beyond this season with out some major salary being pushed out. I'd love it if they could be rid of Panarin but that isn't happening. We're stuck with him until the contract is up.

 

[mike14]

LOL no

2 firsts in potentially the deepest draft in years for Meier? Oo and the 1st overall pick from 2 seasons ago whose in his 3rd year.

This board is out to lunch

While we shouldn't just give them away, let's also not get too attached to the idea that those draft picks, both of which are likely going to be in the last 3rd of the round, are pretty much sure fire guaranteed players.
1. My (limited) understanding is that while the top end of this draft is excellent, once you get past around #10 it's pretty standard in terms of talent
2. Even in 2003, your more likely getting Pouliot, Stuart, Stewart, Boyle or Tambellini than you are Getzlaf or Burns. Some of those are handy players, but not "keep the picks at all costs".

 

[McRanger92]

Obviously Fox is part of the core and you can make a case for Miller and maybe Fil. The others are not core players yet. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, and Trocheck are their core players up front. They want to win while they are still in their primes.

Not it's not laughable at all

I dont get why this is so difficult for some to understand. The Rangers are a Cup Contender who made a deep run last year with multiple first round picks in an allegedly deep draft. Do the math. No one should be surprised if one of them gets moved.

 

[haohmaru]

Now we're talking about Meier? Calculators for everyone, please.

 

[McRanger92]

Now we're talking about Meier? Calculators for everyone, please.

Let us dream for an afternoon!

 

[Rangers in 7]

While we shouldn't just give them away, let's also not get too attached to the idea that those draft picks, both of which are likely going to be in the last 3rd of the round, are pretty much sure fire guaranteed players.
1. My (limited) understanding is that while the top end of this draft is excellent, once you get past around #10 it's pretty standard in terms of talent
2. Even in 2003, you’re more likely getting Pouliot, Stuart, Stewart, Boyle or Tambellini than you are Getzlaf or Burns. Some of those are handy players, but not "keep the picks at all costs".

I mean just 4 years ago miller was drafted 22nd overall

I just don’t see how you discount potential top line players not being available? Yeah we could miss or you draft Braden point…

 

[bl02]

I dont think either of the 1sts are burning a hole in Drurys pocket. Lets be real here, Drury in the past 2 drafts has started to put his stamp on the team, adding players who can play who has speed, grit, 2way, in your face type games.

Those (2) 1st round picks are more ammo for him at the draft to continue to build the foundation of this team in HIS image. While Meier is worth 1 of those picks, i dont want to move any 1sts for him if we cant resign him. Besides Meier and being unable to keep him post postseason there is nobody on the trade lists that Drury should be moving his 1st rounders for.

Again this is a very talented draft and great teams keep their window open for a long time by either drafting well and keeping their picks or by trading their picks for young ascending players who can play for their team for more than half a season.

agreed keep both picks. Go get someone with speed who can add some depth like a Vatrano for a later round pick or lesser prospect. This team should still be growing and getting better. Not gonna happen by trading for a UFA. I know we did it for Copp and it helped us get far but we can't be doing it every year. If this draft is as good and deep at C/RW as people are saying you need to try to keep both picks.