Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[bl02]

6.5 is still more than fair for Kreider even today.

11.5 is bad for Panarin if this is how he's going to be from now on.

And 8m for Trouba is a war crime.

Yep.
Production wise Panarin probably will get to 95 points (probably worth the money or in ball park) but if you watch how he has been playing it's not great for 11.5 million.
Agreed Trouba has to consistently be better and even then he's not worth 8 million. Maybe 5/5.5.

 

[Machinehead]

Lafreniere needs take a page from Kakko and start hanging on to the puck/puck possession instead of handgrenading it. There area plenty of slower players that are successful in the NHL - Stone, Draisatl, hell even Thompson. Laf needs get stronger and get tougher between the ears to take a step. He's still a young man and there's still hope.

People always talk about the skating and like, sure, but they're not Jason Allison. They're average skaters. Plenty of average skaters are good players.

For me, as you alluded to, it's that they never f***ing try anything.

Lafreniere always looks like he's trying to get rid of the puck as quickly as possible at gun point.

Kakko shows flashes but it's still not enough. He should doing that shit where he circles the entire zone twice on every shift. He has that ability.

 

[Machinehead]

People made fun of Nash for the butt move but you know what? Nash had a hell of a career. It was a career I'd sign up for Kakko having.

They're the same player. Neither have speed and neither of them are great shooters or passers. They're both tanks with all-time hands. Nash utilized that by forcing plays that nobody else could make.

With our Laissez Faire approach to offense, I doubt Kakko has been shown how to utilize it. It's probably been the opposite. Don't force anything because that's not "the right way."

 

[Leonardo87]

6.5 is still more than fair for Kreider even today.

11.5 is bad for Panarin if this is how he's going to be from now on.

And 8m for Trouba is a war crime.

I hate throwing players under the bus but Trouba has warranted a lot more heat than Kreider. I also don’t think Kreider should have any heat now. He is not matching his 50 goal pace from last season but that was well overachieving. It was just extra gravy.

If he hits 30-35 goals this season, while doing the little things like killing penalties , that’s very good for a 6-6.5 million dollar contract.

 

[huerter]

8 mil Mayfield isn’t even sucking right now. Lay off.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Because it directly effects compensation for other players, especially veterans. The NHLPA has a vested interest in all players getting their fair due in contracts because all those numbers effect negotiations for other players.

If a player wants to sign a hometown discount then so be it. NHLPA can’t stop that and a few hometown discounts arent going to effect negotiations for other players.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

People made fun of Nash for the butt move but you know what? Nash had a hell of a career. It was a career I'd sign up for Kakko having.

They're the same player. Neither have speed and neither of them are great shooters or passers. They're both tanks with all-time hands. Nash utilized that by forcing plays that nobody else could make.

With our Laissez Faire approach to offense, I doubt Kakko has been shown how to utilize it. It's probably been the opposite. Don't force anything because that's not "the right way."

Nash actually had sneaky speed for a big guy. But you’re right on about how the team views offense

 

[DuneGoon84]

People made fun of Nash for the butt move but you know what? Nash had a hell of a career. It was a career I'd sign up for Kakko having.

They're the same player. Neither have speed and neither of them are great shooters or passers. They're both tanks with all-time hands. Nash utilized that by forcing plays that nobody else could make.

With our Laissez Faire approach to offense, I doubt Kakko has been shown how to utilize it. It's probably been the opposite. Don't force anything because that's not "the right way."

I disagree strongly about Kakkos passing ability. Do you even watch? He is almost always on point with his passes.

 

[GAGLine]

Stupid question but does the performance bonus count towards the cap. Is Krejci taking 1 or 3 mil. of Boston's cap space?

Edit. Googlet it. Counts against the cap but you can exceed the maximum cap by a certain amount during the season because of bonuses.

In addition to what @mike14 posted, I wanted to make it clear how the bonuses work.

The bonus cushion is equal to 7.5% of the cap. If the total potential performance bonuses exceed 7.5%, any excess is deducted from the cap. We ran into this a couple years ago when we had Shesty, Laf, Kakko and others all had performance bonuses on their ELCs. At the end of the year, the league determines which bonuses were actually earned. If the team has unused cap space, that is used to pay off the bonuses, with any remainder rolling over into the next year.

Boston is using LTIR. They aren't going to have any unused cap space at the end of the year, so all earned bonuses will be deducted from next year's cap. In addition to the 2 mil for Krejci, Bergeron has already earned his 2.5 mil bonus. Boston basically borrowed 4.5 mil from next year's cap.

 

[Machinehead]

I disagree strongly about Kakkos passing ability. Do you even watch? He is almost always on point with his passes.

No, I don't watch.

I just rub the charts like a scratch and sniff until they turn lime green and then I have my answer.

 

[mike14]

No, I don't watch.

I just rub the charts like a scratch and sniff until they turn lime green and then I have my answer.

This explains so much...

 

[TheDirtyH]

People made fun of Nash for the butt move but you know what? Nash had a hell of a career. It was a career I'd sign up for Kakko having.

They're the same player. Neither have speed and neither of them are great shooters or passers. They're both tanks with all-time hands. Nash utilized that by forcing plays that nobody else could make.

With our Laissez Faire approach to offense, I doubt Kakko has been shown how to utilize it. It's probably been the opposite. Don't force anything because that's not "the right way."

This applies well enough to zibanejad and even nash post concussion in 2012. I couldn't tell you what the issue is, but I wonder sometimes if it's not an issue that begins with our defense first. Fox/DeAngelo was the first time since stralman/mcdonagh that we had two defensemen who could and did consistently break the puck out cleanly. Not to mention our longstanding issue at ceding the blue line like it's diseased. Less aggressive/talented defense means a lot less transition via turnovers and clean movement up ice. Just my two cents.

 

[Machinehead]

This applies well enough to zibanejad and even nash post concussion in 2012. I couldn't tell you what the issue is, but I wonder sometimes if it's not an issue that begins with our defense first. Fox/DeAngelo was the first time since stralman/mcdonagh that we had two defensemen who could and did consistently break the puck out cleanly. Not to mention our longstanding issue at ceding the blue line like it's diseased. Less aggressive/talented defense means a lot less transition via turnovers and clean movement up ice. Just my two cents.

I certainly think there's an argument to be made that our defense could be better at moving the puck. Our defense is good at scoring but they're not the same thing.

Trouba is probably fine (gonna get dragged for saying that and somebody will make a wiseass remark about a chart) but his teams consistently get a lot of shots with him on the ice 5v5. Miller is a weird profile offensively. He's good at carrying the puck but not good at sending or receiving passes. Schneider is a good finisher in the offensive zone, but not a puck-mover. Lindgren is fine for what he is but it's not in his deck. Whoever is playing 3LD these days just sucks, and that's probably the obvious spot for improvement.

So yeah, it's just Fox.

It's not a dire issue, Fox and Trouba is good enough, but it wouldn't hurt to add a LD.

 

[Alluckks]

Kulikov LD
Nick Ritchie 12th/13th F
Barabanov/Barbashev Bottom 9 F

That would be my TDL using only mid round picks and non-top prospects

 

[NYR Viper]

Kulikov LD
Nick Ritchie 12th/13th F
Barabanov/Barbashev Bottom 9 F

That would be my TDL using only mid round picks and non-top prospects

Kulikov or Holden
Puljujaarvi

I truly think Edmonton may dump Puljujaarvi for next to nothing to get cap space and I really think his next stop will provide a good opportunity for him to develop properly. He’s a big body who is defensively responsible. He’d fit what the Rangers could use in the bottom-6.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Kravtsov
Lafreniere-Chytil-Puljujaarvi
Vesey-Goodrow-Gauthier
Blais, Brodzinski

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Holden/Kulikov-Schneider

 

[bbny]

Kulikov LD
Nick Ritchie 12th/13th F
Barabanov/Barbashev Bottom 9 F

That would be my TDL using only mid round picks and non-top prospects

Not a Kulikov fan but I like the idea here. I've been on the Kane bandwagon, mostly because it's Kane and I've enjoyed watching him play for years including in the playoffs, but I think I like the idea of being a bit cheap this year more.

 

[bbny]

How far up in the draft could the Rangers move with two low-to-mid 20s 1st rounders?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

How far up in the draft could the Rangers move with two low-to-mid 20s 1st rounders?

Maybe somewhere between 10-13?

 

[Leonardo87]

Not a Kulikov fan but I like the idea here. I've been on the Kane bandwagon, mostly because it's Kane and I've enjoyed watching him play for years including in the playoffs, but I think I like the idea of being a bit cheap this year more.

Can give you a report on Kulikov if you like.

 

[bbny]

Can give you a report on Kulikov if you like.

Whatchya got?

 

[GENESISPuck94]

The recent Gallant quotes about Goodrow perfectly illustrates the issues with Gallant.

Something along the lines of he will promote Goodrow up the lineup at the expense of anyone (Krav, Laf, Kakko, Chytil). And how he (Goodrow) made a mistake "big deal" yet any time Krav, Laf, Kakko, or Chytil make a mistake they're benched or scratched...

This guy lives his coaching life by double standards. There's no accountability for the vets and no leeway whatsoever for the young forwards to grow.

 

[Leonardo87]

Whatchya got?

Well, he’s a solid bottom pairing D. He is playing way over his as the top paring RD with Fowler as his most common partner. Who is also playing over his head. He makes the big hits here and there and is fairly responsible in his own end. A lot of Ducks fans want to ship out Klingberg and Shatty but Kulikov doesn’t get the same treatment.

If he was on a team that was better coached, and had the depth , think he would do very well. He is probably one of the few bright spots with Anaheim’s D which you know is a nightmare…..although they did shut out Dallas last week, which was a shocker. lol

 

[Mandar]

The recent Gallant quotes about Goodrow perfectly illustrates the issues with Gallant.

Something along the lines of he will promote Goodrow up the lineup at the expense of anyone (Krav, Laf, Kakko, Chytil). And how he (Goodrow) made a mistake "big deal" yet any time Krav, Laf, Kakko, or Chytil make a mistake they're benched or scratched...

This guy lives his coaching life by double standards. There's no accountability for the vets and no leeway whatsoever for the young forwards to grow.

Do you think Laffy should be on PP1?

 

[bbny]

Well, he’s a solid bottom pairing D. He is playing way over his as the top paring RD with Fowler as his most common partner. Who is also playing over his head. He makes the big hits here and there and is fairly responsible in his own end. A lot of Ducks fans want to ship out Klingberg and Shatty but Kulikov doesn’t get the same treatment.

If he was on a team that was better coached, and had the depth , think he would do very well. He is probably one of the few bright spots with Anaheim’s D which you know is a nightmare…..although they did shut out Dallas last week, which was a shocker. lol

Do you know if there is a reason that Minnesota didn't keep him at the price point he was signed at? He posted arguably the best numbers of his career there last year.

 

[Leonardo87]

Do you know if there is a reason that Minnesota didn't keep him at the price point he was signed at? He posted arguably the best numbers of his career there last year.

I believe he had a poor playoffs. Minny fans said he was good on the bottom pairing but when asked to play above that , he struggled.

I think he’d be an upgrade to Harpur/Hajek on the 3rd LHD spot. Going to a playoff team will certainly motivate him.

Also, Anaheim got him for free, so don’t think the ask would be much.