Why would we need the cap to be $3m more? Kreider's hit is gone, as is Blais'. Would we have signed Trochek if we had Johnston plus Chytil stepping up? Buch and Fast are easily added. Johnston is on ELC. Would Robertson have gotten that $ from us? We likely would bridge.
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Bob Richards
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Averaging 31:25 TOI and playing on both PP units, Lafreniere will finally eclipse the 40 point mark.
Buch wasn't traded because of Kreider, the two have nothing to do with each other, he was traded to open up a spot for one of the four precious younglings. When were we trading Kredier for a first and Robertson? Who reported this?
Buch was traded for cap reasons- you think there's no relationship with that and one of the bigger contracts we have?
Bolded: thread, help me out here.
Machinehead
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We should have been more like the Bruins and convinced the best all-around center in the league to sign for $7.5 less than he gets on the market.
Well why couldn't Drury get a mix of finesse and grit on the Rangers to have a balanced roster? Bruins, Jets, Stars, Avs, Kings, Panthers have no issues with getting that type of balanced roster. Finese teams never make it past round 1 of the playoffs. I guess management wants this team to be like the Maple Leafs soft and choking
Not Kreider's contract. They don't even play the same position and he signed before they won the lottery. Who were the LWs in the system when he signed his extension?
bbny
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That specific core of Bruins players with Pastrnak hasn’t won a Cup, and when the Bruins last won a Cup in 2011 Marchand was a 40 point rookie so he was a decent piece but not the core piece yet that he is today. The Bruins have experienced a lot of losing with this current core, and in the last 9 years they’ve made it past the 2nd round twice (Stanley Cup losses to the Hawks, Blues). The major change between previous years and this one was coaching.
People here seem to just be looking for excuses to rag on the current Rangers core, probably with some underlying agenda. Maybe they hate one or two of them. Maybe they want the kids to get more ice time so they rip on the core blocking them. Kreider is an overpaid player who should be on the third line. Zibanejad shrinks in the face of adversity. Panarin is paid too much. Whatever it may be, the core is not why the team as a whole doesn’t know how to defend as a team. That’s not explained by a few individual players. It’s a team concept and it doesn’t exist here. That’s coaching.
Buch is playing LW now. He's a lefty. He always could've slotted in there for us.
Well here he played RW and can you please provide any evidence of proof they chose Kreider over him or that Dallas offered Robertson and a first. Why would the Rangers make a point in saying they moved Buch to make room for Kakko, Kravtsov or Laff instead of saying they moved him for Kreider? Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions.
The motivation for this bolded decision seems obvious to me. As for Robertson+1st/Kreider, the forum search isn't working now but it was reported on here many times.
Oscar Lindberg
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It was always one or the other between Kreider and Buch
If they moved Kreider they would have kept Buchnevich and obviously vice versa happened
What's obvious? Oh, people here reported it, then it must be true.
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Boston is where they are because they have they have absurd bargain contracts. Marchand and Hall both at 6 mil each was underpaid when they each signed them and is especially so now. But this biggest difference is Krejci being at 1 mil and Bergeron being at 2.5 mil. These were both super obvious loading-the-team contracts that almost all leagues try to avoid letting happen.
Of their 13 forwards, 4 are signed next season (Marchand/Hall/Coyle/Greer) and 1 is a RFA (Frederic). They have 8 UFA forwards from that group.
If they run it back next year with a bunch of team friendly things again you'll hear more grumblings.
Of their 13 forwards, 4 are signed next season (Marchand/Hall/Coyle/Greer) and 1 is a RFA (Frederic). They have 8 UFA forwards from that group.
If they run it back next year with a bunch of team friendly things again you'll hear more grumblings.
You think it'd work out well to tell the world that its x player's fault that y player got moved? Or instead use it as a challenge for players a, b and c to step up? Obvious.
I think you're trying to make Buch out to be the second coming of Jesus. If it's true, they made the right call. I take Kreider over Buch all day, and I liked Buch very much. But the reality was they had had two, top ten first round pick in Kakko and Kravtsov coming who play the right side, Buch played the right side. Doesn't seem all that difficult to figure out. Laff should learn how to play the right side. Kreider was/is more valuable to this team that Buch was.
KirkAlbuquerque
#WeNeverGetAGoodCoach
i mean if the Rangers haven't realized that Gallant ain't it by now then I don't have hope of them realizing it anytime soon
I don't know what you're even talking about anymore. I disagreed with your assertion that keeping Kreider had nothing to do with trading Buch. I pointed out Buch is a lefty and is playing LW now. He took shifts at LW for us. Contracts add up in the cap era. Anything other than that is your imagination.
Because it didn't. Not keeping Buch had everything to do to do with Kakko, Kravtsov, and Laff.
bbny
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It's only been a year and a half, but the rule of thumb with Gallant is two and change everywhere else he's coached.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
I mean @ this pt I'd be shocked if Laf knew how to tie his skates let alone "LEARN" how to play RW
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The lingering frustration with Kreider is due to the fact that he was a 50 point player for like his entire career, when not turning into an 80 point player may have cost us a Cup, said 50 point player was really a plus second liner or low-end first liner and thus not the ideal for a team desperately seeking star forwards for forever, he was reportedly tradeable for a massive haul and wasn't moved, and now he sits there eating up PP time while our first and second overall picks languish and it's a constant reminder of his not good enough-ishness.
If Lafreniere was on pace for 80 points this season and Kreider was just dominating the third line we'd love him. He'd still be expensive but we'd be looking to cut fat elsewhere. It's not the same situation as Trouba who is just bad right now.
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I notice this trend with you - do you look at contracts at all when making acquisition proposals?
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Well.... discount contracts are one reason the Avs and Bruins are so good. Can we find some more?
The reason I wanted to trade Kreider had nothing to do with the LW depth of the org at the time.
I recall Edge reporting that was the offer for Kreider.
In which case, if true, I can say as we sit here today that it was a mistake not taking it.
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