Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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Kreider has scored 82!! goals since the start of last season and people can't wait to ship him off. It's comical.


Outside of Buch and maybe Fast, I've yet to see this team not keep a player they wanted because of the cap.

Buch and Skjei to keep Kreider and sign a guy like Trocheck I would say is mismanagement. Or Troubas contract forcing us to let Lundkvist go. All mistakes that if we continue will send us to the dark ages once this older core doesn’t win their 1 cup.
 
Buch and Skjei to keep Kreider and sign a guy like Trocheck I would say is mismanagement. Or Troubas contract forcing us to let Lundkvist go. All mistakes that if we continue will send us to the dark ages once this older core doesn’t win their 1 cup.
Kreider is better than Buch and made a bigger impact on his position here than Skjei did. You seem to forget how much slack Skjei caught here his last season. And Trocheck has been a great signing, what more do you want from a 2C? He's been better than Strome. Lundkvist left because he asked for a trade, I'm pretty certain he would have gotten another crack this season considering the revolving door at 6 D.
 
Been watching the Bruins closely the last 20 or so games. Core players play like they are annoyed to be stopped. Team despises losing, doesn't play down to lesser teams, refuses to be outworked, and backs each other up 1000%.

Zib, Bread, and Kreider are NO Bergeron, Marchand and Pasternak.

Those Bruins players have been together a while. It doesn't explain how the team is so dominant this year. The difference is the coach. Montgomery has implemented a terrific system for that team.

Once the Rangers figure out they have peaked under Gallant, they can get the right coach in here to implement a legitimate system:

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The closest the Rangers came to getting Tkachuk was March of 2001. The dealbreaker was when Theo Fleury entered the NHL substance abuse program. Gretzky tried to get his buddy Fleury to come to Arizona. Mike York and Travis Green were both in the trade. Gretzky was caught completely off guard when Fleury entered the NHL program.
2000-01 was Sather's first year running the Rangers. I seem to recall Sather trying to get both Tkachuk and Khabibulin in the same trade but it was earlier that season. The Coyotes were having ownership issues. The Rangers would have paid most of the money left on Richter and Fleury. Theo was the player I didn’t remember. Then Khabibulin was traded to TB near the deadline in 2001 and Tkachuk went to STL that same deadline. Sather wanted to make a big trade for just Tkachuk but he was traded to the Blues after the Blues tried to acquire Lindros. The Blues doctors looked at the medical records and told the Blues management to forget about Lindros. The Rangers ended up with Lindros after not getting Jagr that summer.
 
Kreider is better than Buch and made a bigger impact on his position here than Skjei did. You seem to forget how much slack Skjei caught here his last season. And Trocheck has been a great signing, what more do you want from a 2C? He's been better than Strome. Lundkvist left because he asked for a trade, I'm pretty certain he would have gotten another crack this season considering the revolving door at 6 D.

Kreider is most definitely not better than Buch. He’s also on a cheaper contract and what 5 years younger? All huge factors. Trocheck has been fine so far, how is he going to be at 5.6 million dollars at 34 years old? These contracts haven’t hit the point yet that they are upside down but Panarins is close to being a net negative contract so I’d Kreiders, Trochecks will take probably two years and Troubas has been upside down since day one. If we lose Lindgren, Miller, Schneider, Kakko, Laf, Chytil, Kravy or any of the core this team drafted for these aged out terrible contracts it will most likely be the last straw for me. It’s infuriating that there was a letter we were finally getting a true rebuild so we could build up a dynasty now look at us. Back to square one. Capped out with aging vets locked into shitty deals and not even a whiff of a cup.
 
Those Bruins players have been together a while. It doesn't explain how the team is so dominant this year. The difference is the coach. Montgomery has implemented a terrific system for that team.

Once the Rangers figure out they have peaked under Gallant, they can get the right coach in here to implement a legitimate system:

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Explains a lot to me. Sorry it doesn't to you.
 
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Kreider is most definitely not better than Buch. He’s also on a cheaper contract and what 5 years younger? All huge factors. Trocheck has been fine so far, how is he going to be at 5.6 million dollars at 34 years old? These contracts haven’t hit the point yet that they are upside down but Panarins is close to being a net negative contract so I’d Kreiders, Trochecks will take probably two years and Troubas has been upside down since day one. If we lose Lindgren, Miller, Schneider, Kakko, Laf, Chytil, Kravy or any of the core this team drafted for these aged out terrible contracts it will most likely be the last straw for me. It’s infuriating that there was a letter we were finally getting a true rebuild so we could build up a dynasty now look at us. Back to square one. Capped out with aging vets locked into shitty deals and not even a whiff of a cup.
Kreider's contract is a negative? For real? How so?
 
Also you all can be as cynical as you want about this team but with the exception of Boston, I don't think there is another team in the league that doesn't also have a myriad of flaws and problems.

There isn't a team in our division I don't think NYR would have at least a 50-50 shot of beating in a 7 game series. Even Carolina has a major question mark in goal.
 
Kreider's contract is a negative? For real? How so?
Read closely. “Close to being a net negative” or soon to be however you want to phrase it. He’s leaving his prime and if he wasn’t playing with Mika or netfront on our PP he would be a middle 6 winger. On the bruins a legit cup contender Kreider is their 3rd line left winger.

And yes I believe signing a career 50 point winger at age 30 to a 6.5 million dollar contract until he is 36 was a horrible decision.
 
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Read closely. “Close to being a net negative” or soon to be however you want to phrase it. He’s leaving his prime and if he wasn’t playing with Mika or netfront on our PP he would be a middle 6 winger. On the bruins a legit cup contender Kreider is their 3rd line left winger.

And yes I believe signing a career 50 point winger at age 30 to a 6.5 million dollar contract until he is 36 was a horrible decision.
Kredier is performing well above his salary and he'd be on the second line ahead of both Debrusk and Foligno if he were on Boston. You're just making stuff up now. It's funny you had use the best team in the league to try and make your point.
 
Kreider has scored 82!! goals since the start of last season and people can't wait to ship him off. It's comical.


Outside of Buch and maybe Fast, I've yet to see this team not keep a player they wanted because of the cap.
Swap Buch, Fast, Robertson and Johnston in for Kreider and I think you have a better team.
 
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Read closely. “Close to being a net negative” or soon to be however you want to phrase it. He’s leaving his prime and if he wasn’t playing with Mika or netfront on our PP he would be a middle 6 winger. On the bruins a legit cup contender Kreider is their 3rd line left winger.

And yes I believe signing a career 50 point winger at age 30 to a 6.5 million dollar contract until he is 36 was a horrible decision.
6.5M is 2nd line pay for a UFA and he has 71 goals in a season and a half l. It's one of the great non-elc or bridge value contracts in the league.

Bonkers. And I don't even like Kreider!
 
Swap Buch, Fast, Robertson and Johnston in for Kreider and I think you have a better team.
4-1? Lol, sure. Why not add McDavid to the list while you're at it.

6.5M is 2nd line pay for a UFA and he has 71 goals in a season and a half l. It's one of the great non-elc or bridge value contracts in the league.

Bonkers. And I don't even like Kreider!
Add another 10 in the playoffs last season. Led the team. But sure, he's easily replaceable.
 
Swap Buch, Fast, Robertson and Johnston in for Kreider and I think you have a better team.
Wait if there was perfect hindsight and the cap was magically $3m more because reasons the Rangers would be better? Big, if true.
 
This is why this board can't have nice things.
Buchnevich became a PPG player the day he left the Rangers and I have no doubt Kreider is also suffering from whatever poison James Dolan has been putting in his forwards' eggs for 20 years.

Could you imagine him somewhere else? 52 goals probably wouldn't be seen as a fluke.
 
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Been watching the Bruins closely the last 20 or so games. Core players play like they are annoyed to be stopped. Team despises losing, doesn't play down to lesser teams, refuses to be outworked, and backs each other up 1000%.

Zib, Bread, and Kreider are NO Bergeron, Marchand and Pasternak.
exactly. This team is not going to win a cup with this core.

If you don't win with speed, posession, and skill like Colorado, then you need to play mean, heavy, and direct like Tampa/St Louis. We don't have the speed, we're soft, our leadership are LAZY players who don't want to pay the price. Sure we can be a yearly playoff team but thats about it.
 
Those Bruins players have been together a while. It doesn't explain how the team is so dominant this year. The difference is the coach. Montgomery has implemented a terrific system for that team.

Once the Rangers figure out they have peaked under Gallant, they can get the right coach in here to implement a legitimate system:

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they haven't figured it out by now, I don't have high hopes
 
Buchnevich became a PPG player the day he left the Rangers and I have no doubt Kreider is also suffering from whatever poison James Dolan has been putting in his forwards' eggs for 20 years.

Could you imagine him somewhere else? 52 goals probably wouldn't be seen as a fluke.
Kreider is the whipping boy for the "we suck at drafting and developing first round talent" crowd and they're completely oblivious to the irony of it all. We never get good non-Kredier players!!!
 
4-1? Lol, sure. Why not add McDavid to the list while you're at it.
If not signing Kreider to that contract because we traded him for Robertson and a 1st allows us to keep Buch and Fast, then yeah its 4-1. You're telling me Kreider prevented us from getting McDavid too?! Damn.
 
Goodbye Othmann. I just have a gut feeling the way Drury has made bonehead trades. Too much grit in that player for this soft core. Hope I am wrong.
Such an absurd suggestion. There’s no chance of this occurring. l Good opportunity for me to refresh myself with the “block” button. Absolutely brutal.
 
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