Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[pld459666]

Brooks discussed ROR on the Post podcast today. He mentioned Gallant doesn't believe in having a checking line. Gallant likes three scoring lines. Brooks likes ROR. He believes the Rangers have become a soft team again. Reaves is gone. Hunt is gone. Blais has been a disappointment. Most of the players Drury brought into the organization in the summer of 2021 are except for Goodrow.

Brooks believes the Rangers should bulk up with size and strength for the playoffs because the Rangers will get smacked. The Devils too.

ROR is Eric Staal all over again. AV didn't know how to use Staal. Gallant will not use the player properly. Why bother?

Brooks dumped Kane for ROR.

Ryan may ot be the right target, but Brooks is not wrong about the team being soft.

Babyshhhit soft.

 

[haohmaru]

They want a big body 3rd pair LD

If that's what they want they already have one.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Ryan may ot be the right target, but Brooks is not wrong about the team being soft.

Babyshhhit soft.

if we're soft wtf were the avs?
Or pittsburg?

The notion that you win the stanley cup by being nothing but grinders is an extremely outdated notion.
You win by having guys who can play in the corners and win battles. The battles are just tougher in the playoffs.

 

[RGY]

if we're soft wtf were the avs?
Or pittsburg?

The notion that you win the stanley cup by being nothing but grinders is an extremely outdated notion.
You win by having guys who can play in the corners and win battles. The battles are just tougher in the playoffs.

And the Avs had those guys. There is also something to be said about them being mentally a bit soft. RoR is battled test both physically and mentally for the playoffs.

 

[bhamill]

Lo

Chychrun is a great fit for this team, and young and talented enough where he is immediately a core piece. If the cost is somewhat reasonable (it's going to take 4 assets) and you get him 50% retained, it's the move to make. No one here likes any rentals so getting a guy you have for 3 playoff runs should be a home run.

The bitter pill to swallow is that Lindgren is certainly going to be a goner in the offseason if Chychrun comes aboard (unless by some miracle Kreider or Trouba are willing to waive, but thats highly highly unlikely imo).

There's zero chance the coyotes move him without a 2023 first. Everyone knows how good this draft is and the Rangers have a surplus of 1st Rounders next year. Something will have to give. And the odds of one of those players drafted in the first round giving us what Chychrun will for the next 3 years (minimum) is very low imo

2023 1st (whichever is later), 2024 1st, Zones, Cuylle/Berard for Chychrun(50% retained) + Bjugstad (rental)

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Kravtsov
Lafreniere-Chytil-Goodrow
Vesey-Bjugstad-Gauthier/Brodz/depth rental

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Chychrun-Schneider

Looks really good to me. Lindgren would be loss in the offseason, but you can probably recoup a future first by trading him (1 year left then RFA). Having a d core of Fox, Miller, Chychrun & Schneider long term and being able to have 1 or 2 of them on the ice at all times would in front of Igor would make us incredibly dangerous. I'm into it.

Logically, you’re right. But I’m loathe to give up that first rounder this year. And one next year. That’s three 1sts traded over 3 years… it’s a bad trend.

 

[bleedblue94]

If Drury step up with two firsts, the salary split and the other prospects can be negotiated. Jones doesn’t have a place here now or in the future if this kind of deal goes down. I haven’t been a fan of trading two firsts but Chychrun is playing really well. He really adds to the Ranger offense from the back end and his contract would be outstanding. I think it’s doable.

Go big or go home


Yes and very.

It's great that he's playing well but this kid has been made of glass and I would be VERY cautious blowing our wad of assets for him. You trade the pieces we are talking about here then how are they upgrading the forwards, bc the forwards do need upgrading. What are they trading? I think the assets used on an arz trade need to also be considered by what else will be gone from forward trades, and where does that leave the organization in the off-season.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Hold on to this years two first round picks. After this year go ham for all I care and make our firsts available.

 

[bleedblue94]

Move Goodrow, Kreider if you can. Lindgren is the more valuable piece to the team's present and future

Genuinely curious, if you do that who is backfilling those spots in the lineup? More dumpster diving for Kevin Rooney types? Where is the depth coming from? This lineup already lacks depth.

 

[Crease]

Genuinely curious, if you do that who is backfilling those spots in the lineup? More dumpster diving for Kevin Rooney types? Where is the depth coming from? This lineup already lacks depth.

Based on the Rangers track record of developing forwards, Othmann and Sykora can realistically be expected to break 40 points sometime around 2031.

 

[duhmetreE]

Chychrun is a great fit for this team, and young and talented enough where he is immediately a core piece. If the cost is somewhat reasonable (it's going to take 4 assets) and you get him 50% retained, it's the move to make. No one here likes any rentals so getting a guy you have for 3 playoff runs should be a home run.

The bitter pill to swallow is that Lindgren is certainly going to be a goner in the offseason if Chychrun comes aboard (unless by some miracle Kreider or Trouba are willing to waive, but thats highly highly unlikely imo).

There's zero chance the coyotes move him without a 2023 first. Everyone knows how good this draft is and the Rangers have a surplus of 1st Rounders next year. Something will have to give. And the odds of one of those players drafted in the first round giving us what Chychrun will for the next 3 years (minimum) is very low imo

2023 1st (whichever is later), 2024 1st, Zones, Cuylle/Berard for Chychrun(50% retained) + Bjugstad (rental)

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Kravtsov
Lafreniere-Chytil-Goodrow
Vesey-Bjugstad-Gauthier/Brodz/depth rental

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Chychrun-Schneider

Looks really good to me. Lindgren would be loss in the offseason, but you can probably recoup a future first by trading him (1 year left then RFA). Having a d core of Fox, Miller, Chychrun & Schneider long term and being able to have 1 or 2 of them on the ice at all times would in front of Igor would make us incredibly dangerous. I'm into it.

but switch Lindgren and Chychrun

 

[duhmetreE]

I've never not been on the Chychrun train just not as vocal as @duhmetreE. His contract is a huge value add as it stands but with retention? NYR also have a clear need at LD.

Agree w @McRanger92 that the bitter pill is it would most likely mean Lindgren is not re-signed. Tough to stomach but makes sense on paper. But it could also be one of those moves that makes sense on paper but then in the real world is a bit of a letdown. Lindgren is an underrated player and it is hard for us on the outside to fully assess the impact of his longstanding chemistry with Fox. And goes without saying but Fox is the NYR important skater today and moving forward.

In the hypothetical scenario we trade for Chychrun, we keep Lindgren too. The money works. I know everyone thinks its the end of the world but it's not.

In 2024 they can trade Trouba and re-sign Lindgren. Looking too far ahead is futile though imo. So much can change.

All I see is the best defensive group in the league for 3 playoff runs. Chychrun Fox even looks good in writing. If the forwards play up to their abilities and Shesty is Shesty, how do we not like our chances?

I think it's the best of all worlds. You still hold onto one 2023 1st rounder. Have all your kids still developing on cheaper bridge deals/ELCs. Vets still in their prime. and Igor on a 5.6M contract.

The time is now.

 

[bleedblue94]

Based on the Rangers track record of developing forwards, Othmann and Sykora can realistically be expected to break 40 points sometime around 2031.

But that's what I'm getting at, because if you're going to be looking to upgrade the forwards even after you spend all your major currency for a defenseman that we really don't need, then what are you trading the upgrade those forwards? Because realistically you're going to be dipping into those names that you mentioned. Nobody's trading you the type of forwards that we need for third round draft picks and maybe level prospects

I really really wish people would stop taking it for granted that fox is just going to mash and still be able to be the type of player he is now playing with any other decent defenseman. Sometimes pairs just work. Sometimes partners just work. He's an incredible talent but he himself is acknowledged the fact that playing with Lindy allows him to play a certain way that makes him the most effective that he is. Always throwing around these alternative partners for him can sound great in theory but it doesn't mean it's going to work. Those of us that were fanned through the 90s know another tremendous offensive defenseman who is at his best when he played with another defenseman that was not a first pairing guy but they worked perfectly together, and after his partner moved on they spent over a decade trying to figure out somebody else to pair with him to recreate that chemistry and it never happened

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Ryan may ot be the right target, but Brooks is not wrong about the team being soft.

Babyshhhit soft.

Disagree. We have guys like Goodrow, Trouba, Lindgren, Blais, Kreider, and Trocheck, who can play with an edge. Laf does it sometimes as well. I actually think most games the Rangers are the more physical team so no, I don't see your point. Oh and Brooks is a hack so I never pay attention to what he says anyway.

 

[bleedblue94]

Disagree. We have guys like Goodrow, Trouba, Lindgren, Blais, Kreider, and Trocheck, who can play with an edge. Laf does it sometimes as well. I actually think most games the Rangers are the more physical team so no, I don't see your point. Oh and Brooks is a hack so I never pay attention to what he says anyway.

Difference between a team being tough to play against and a team having a couple tough players. If you need to point out individuals to demonstrate the team isn't soft, then the team is soft just with a couple individuals that aren't. The bruins dont need to point to a few guys to justify that the team isn't soft, the whole league knows that's a tough group.

 

[duhmetreE]

But that's what I'm getting at, because if you're going to be looking to upgrade the forwards even after you spend all your major currency for a defenseman that we really don't need, then what are you trading the upgrade those forwards? Because realistically you're going to be dipping into those names that you mentioned. Nobody's trading you the type of forwards that we need for third round draft picks and maybe level prospects

I really really wish people would stop taking it for granted that fox is just going to mash and still be able to be the type of player he is now playing with any other decent defenseman. Sometimes pairs just work. Sometimes partners just work. He's an incredible talent but he himself is acknowledged the fact that playing with Lindy allows him to play a certain way that makes him the most effective that he is. Always throwing around these alternative partners for him can sound great in theory but it doesn't mean it's going to work. Those of us that were fanned through the 90s know another tremendous offensive defenseman who is at his best when he played with another defenseman that was not a first pairing guy but they worked perfectly together, and after his partner moved on they spent over a decade trying to figure out somebody else to pair with him to recreate that chemistry and it never happened

we do need a defenseman that can provide more offense than the blackholes that are Trouba and Lindgren. KAM is coming along.

The future is....
KAM Fox
Chychrun Schneider

embrace it

 

[NYR Viper]

The Rangers need a 3rd line RW who can provide a bit of speed and play with a bit of an edge. I like the Adam Erne idea. That makes the 4th line Vesey-Goodrow-Brodzinski which I think is a suitable 4th line. Sub in Gauthier as needed.

Another guy who I would like for that 3rd line or just as a depth winger is Puljujaarvi. Cost will be minimal and his possession game is solid. Adds another big bodied winger who is defensively responsible. If he plays up to his normal standards he’s someone the team could look to re-sign below his QO.

 

[bleedblue94]

we do need a defenseman that can provide more offense than the blackholes that are Trouba and Lindgren. KAM is coming along.

The future is....
KAM Fox
Chychrun Schneider

embrace it

And the reality is that trouba is going to be here for quite a while yet regardless whatever fantasies people want to rattle off. The other reality is that right now this team needs forward depth more than it needs defensive depth.

Regardless your post completely ignores the main fabric of what I said. If you blow your wad trying to trade for another defenseman then what are you trading to actually upgrade the forwards to an NHL caliber group for a playoff run? Right now it is not an NHL playoff caliber group up front. There's probably seven or eight guys that can make it right now through a series and you basically need to add a line worth of players and some actual depth that can contribute when there's injuries during the playoffs. You need three or four forwards right now. What are you trading for those guys?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Difference between a team being tough to play against and a team having a couple tough players. If you need to point out individuals to demonstrate the team isn't soft, then the team is soft just with a couple individuals that aren't. The bruins ont need to point to a few guys to justify that the team isn't soft, the whole league knows that's a tough group.

The Bruins are an exceptional team, best in the league, and have all the right elements so comparing any team to them is going to come up short. I still don't think they are soft and they do create problems for other teams. You think other teams want to see the Rangers on their schedule? I don't.

 

[duhmetreE]

And the reality is that trouba is going to be here for quite a while yet regardless whatever fantasies people want to rattle off. The other reality is that right now this team needs forward depth more than it needs defensive depth.

Regardless your post completely ignores the main fabric of what I said. If you blow your wad trying to trade for another defenseman then what are you trading to actually upgrade the forwards to an NHL caliber group for a playoff run? Right now it is not an NHL playoff caliber group up front. There's probably seven or eight guys that can make it right now through a series and you basically need to add a line worth of players and some actual depth that can contribute when there's injuries during the playoffs. You need three or four forwards right now. What are you trading for those guys?

We're one injury away from Hajek or Harpur in the top4. You talk about depth but every team having issues at forward. We have a top8. Gauthier should be in the top9 but Gallant is gonna Gallant. We have a 4th line of Vesey Goodrow Blais/Brodz... where is the depth issue? Sure, we can upgrade to a Motte on the 4th line

We have some of the best depth at forward in the league IMO. We need LHD. KAM or Lindgren getting hurt is CATASTROPHIC. That is the teams biggest weakness IMO

 

[duhmetreE]

The Rangers need a 3rd line RW who can provide a bit of speed and play with a bit of an edge. I like the Adam Erne idea. That makes the 4th line Vesey-Goodrow-Brodzinski which I think is a suitable 4th line. Sub in Gauthier as needed.

Another guy who I would like for that 3rd line or just as a depth winger is Puljujaarvi. Cost will be minimal and his possession game is solid. Adds another big bodied winger who is defensively responsible. If he plays up to his normal standards he’s someone the team could look to re-sign below his QO.

why not just try Gauthier?

have no clue what Gallant is waiting for.

 

[huerter]

Kreids - Zib - Labanc (50%)
Panarin - Tro - TyJo (50%)
Laf - Chytil - Kakko
Goodrow - Bonino - Vesey

 

[Boris Zubov]

we do need a defenseman that can provide more offense than the blackholes that are Trouba and Lindgren. KAM is coming along.

The future is....
KAM Fox
Chychrun Schneider

embrace it

It's like the royal road revolution for defense. I'm getting cised.

 

[duhmetreE]

It's like the royal road revolution for defense. I'm getting cised.

Imagine a defense that doesn't kill offense <mind blown>

Kreids - Zib - Labanc (50%)
Panarin - Tro - TyJo (50%)
Laf - Chytil - Kakko
Goodrow - Bonino - Vesey

That's great if the plan was to get worse

 

[duhmetreE]

This is my team post deadline

Kreider Zibs Kakko
Panarin Tro Kravtsov
Laffy Chytil Gauthier
Motte Goodrow Vesey

Chychrun Fox
KAM Trouba -
Lindgren Schneider


Chychrun, a unit that can skate and not suck offensively.
Trouba off of PP2. MASSIVE W
Think about how fresh our defenders can be; instead of gassing out like last season
Motte because why not? +PK +Speed +Tenacity +Memes
If Trouba doesn't get his head out of his ass, I really would like to see Schneider get some more time/looks.

why would you say no to that?

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

The Rangers need a 3rd line RW who can provide a bit of speed and play with a bit of an edge. I like the Adam Erne idea. That makes the 4th line Vesey-Goodrow-Brodzinski which I think is a suitable 4th line. Sub in Gauthier as needed.

Another guy who I would like for that 3rd line or just as a depth winger is Puljujaarvi. Cost will be minimal and his possession game is solid. Adds another big bodied winger who is defensively responsible. If he plays up to his normal standards he’s someone the team could look to re-sign below his QO.

Problem is this team needs someone who can finish, not someone who is Finnish The dude has 3 goals and 6 assists half way into the season. They already have Gauthier to fill that role.