Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[McRanger92]

I've never not been on the Chychrun train just not as vocal as @duhmetreE. His contract is a huge value add as it stands but with retention? NYR also have a clear need at LD.

Agree w @McRanger92 that the bitter pill is it would most likely mean Lindgren is not re-signed. Tough to stomach but makes sense on paper. But it could also be one of those moves that makes sense on paper but then in the real world is a bit of a letdown. Lindgren is an underrated player and it is hard for us on the outside to fully assess the impact of his longstanding chemistry with Fox. And goes without saying but Fox is the NYR important skater today and moving forward.

Spot on. I will say that taking emotion out of it, Lindgren's play style and propensity to get banged up would be a reason to move him. I do love the guy though, we need more warriors like him, not less and he was excellent in the playoffs playing on 1 leg.

The other option would be to move Goodrow and just have the team built around the defense, which is honestly probably a good idea considering our young talent back there.

The nuclear option is moving Kreider. He is my favorite Ranger all time outside of Hank, but we all know hes got lots of mileage on him and hes not the same player he was 5v5. He is still a force on special teams, which has value, but I think his contract is tradeable and he is still on pace to follow up his 52 with 37. Laf has been underwhelming but it would behoove the Rangers to give him a real shot at LW in the top 6, and if moving him affords you the chance to keep all the RFAs, Lindy, Goodrow AND Chychrun, it has to be explored.

Trouba waiving his NMC after forcing his way here and being named Captain is the pipe dream of pipe dreams so I wont even entertain what it would look like.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Why would you trade Lindgren? He plays 1st pair D and makes 3 mil a year through next year.

Can’t keep everyone if you get Chyrchurn. And he’s the better player of the two.

Rangers would get a good return for Lindgren. Don’t necessarily want to move him but he might be the odd man out in that scenario

 

[UnSandvich]

Move Goodrow, Kreider if you can. Lindgren is the more valuable piece to the team's present and future

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I've never not been on the Chychrun train just not as vocal as @duhmetreE. His contract is a huge value add as it stands but with retention? NYR also have a clear need at LD.

Agree w @McRanger92 that the bitter pill is it would most likely mean Lindgren is not re-signed. Tough to stomach but makes sense on paper. But it could also be one of those moves that makes sense on paper but then in the real world is a bit of a letdown. Lindgren is an underrated player and it is hard for us on the outside to fully assess the impact of his longstanding chemistry with Fox. And goes without saying but Fox is the NYR important skater today and moving forward.

Lindgren is the most underrated player on this team and he's making 3 mil per through next year. He's also always been Fox's partner. Losing him after giving up a boatload of assets for Chychrun would be dumb. The smart thing to do would be to explore trading Trouba and his 8 million dollar contract after 23-24 season.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Can’t keep everyone if you get Chyrchurn. And he’s the better player of the two.

Rangers would get a good return for Lindgren. Don’t necessarily want to move him but he might be the odd man out in that scenario

You don't give up a ton of assets for a 1st pairing D man and then let another 1st pairing Dman walk. You explore other avenues to get rid of salary.

 

[B17 Apricots]

A professional hockey staff may help him over his college team

Chychrun is a month younger than Fox. Many players go through injury concerns early in their careers and get over it. My personal opinion is that Chychrun has taken his time getting healthy and the procedures he has had done were to prepare for his next team. It benefitted all parties for the Yotes to be able to trade a fully healthy player. Similar to Eichel in that his priority was always to be ready to go for his next team, not the one he is currently on

Idk I wouldn't put money on it that's for sure. His injury history is a laundry list. Surgery on both knees, torn ACL, torn ligaments, shoulder surgery, wrist injuries, ankle injuries. Unfortunately it's never ending with the guy. A couple of years ago he had injury concerns. 2 more years filled with injuries and it's not just a concern, it's a problem. 24 years old and it's a theme now in his career. Thats not Arizonas fault, it is what it is.

 

[Kords]

The upgrade of Chyrchrun over Lindgren might not be big enough to be worth pissing off literally every player in that locker room though. Most of all, your superstar franchise defenseman. Hockey is a buisness, but Lindgren has not only done nothing wrong, he's done everything right and for relatively cheap. Trading him would be a MASSIVE blow to that locker room and send a terrible message.

Plus the durability issue. Drury got burned by the Blais injury. No way to predict it would happen, but it was common knowledge he had injury issues. Can you imagine what happens if Lindgren goes and Chyrchrun gets hurt and misses any significant time? I don't see him taking that risk again so soon.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

You don't give up a ton of assets for a 1st pairing D man and then let another 1st pairing Dman walk. You explore other avenues to get rid of salary.

they wouldn’t be letting him walk though

They’d be moving him for another piece to build out the team. Whether it be a draft pick that could be traded elsewhere or a player itself

If given the option they should absolutely move Kreider but that seems unlikely to me. Lindgren is path of least resistance in that scenario.

 

[McRanger92]

The upgrade of Chyrchrun over Lindgren might not be big enough to be worth pissing off literally every player in that locker room though. Most of all, your superstar franchise defenseman. Hockey is a buisness, but Lindgren has not only done nothing wrong, he's done everything right and for relatively cheap. Trading him would be a MASSIVE blow to that locker room and send a terrible message.

Plus the durability issue. Drury got burned by the Blais injury. No way to predict it would happen, but it was common knowledge he had injury issues. Can you imagine what happens if Lindgren goes and Chyrchrun gets hurt and misses any significant time? I don't see him taking that risk again so soon.

Cant argue with any of this, but my counterpoint would be that a year and a half from now we may lose Lindgren anyway when hes up for a new contract (plus long-term durability issues of his own). A move for Chychrun is a tough decision anyway you slice it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The upgrade of Chyrchrun over Lindgren might not be big enough to be worth pissing off literally every player in that locker room though. Most of all, your superstar franchise defenseman. Hockey is a buisness, but Lindgren has not only done nothing wrong, he's done everything right and for relatively cheap. Trading him would be a MASSIVE blow to that locker room and send a terrible message.

If this is the guiding principle they’re operating under, then the Rangers are gonna be running it back with the same team for next X amount of years

Every player people are talking about moving for salary (Kreider, Goodrow, Trouba, Lindgren) are big fixtures in the locker room.

They’ll get over it if these guys are moved, it’s how the business works

 

[PuckLuck3043]

they wouldn’t be letting him walk though

They’d be moving him for another piece to build out the team. Whether it be a draft pick that could be traded elsewhere or a player itself

If given the option they should absolutely move Kreider but that seems unlikely to me. Lindgren is path of least resistance in that scenario.

There is not enough of a reason to sign Chychrun if the end result is not signing Lindgren. Is there that much of a difference really to give up so many assets? Lindgren does a lot of the right things and is a warrior. Somebody brought up Chychrun's injury history also. It's a concern and should be considered. I'm all onboard the Chychrun train but not at the expense of Lindgren. It will be a big mistake.

 

[McRanger92]

If this is the guiding principle they’re operating under, then the Rangers are gonna be running it back with the same team for next X amount of years

Every player people are talking about moving for salary (Kreider, Goodrow, Trouba, Lindgren) are big fixtures in the locker room.

They’ll get over it if these guys are moved, it’s how the business works

Theyve lost beloved locker room guys like Buch and Strome the last 2 summers and have been no worse for the wear.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

May be reading too much into it, but I also come back to the fact that extending Lindgren was the first thing Drury did as GM.

In an off season that was clearly about culture building, Drury prioritized Lindgren first when he didn’t have to.

That says a lot to me about how Drury feels about Lindgren’s importance to the team he is trying to build.

 

[mas0764]

He's worth that. 3 Playoff runs at an absurdly cheap cap hit. 2 late 1sts and a player that will never play on this team is not a steep price for what we're getting IMO

The only concern would be health.

Health is a big concern with this player. And you're talking about giving up a first in a very strong forward draft when we are in a situation that we need young forwards, especially centers.

I'm really not inclined to ever give up two firsts for anything less than a real star player.

He could either slide into the third pair for this season, and immediately give us a monster three pairs, or he slides lindgren down to the third, and gives us a monster three pairs. He's never played with anyone near as good as fox, and schneider would be one of the best he's played with.

I'm not saying he's not a good acquisition. If the cost was a 2024 first, a second, and Cuylle, ok.

I'm not interested in giving up two firsts and Jones. That's approaching a Rick Nash star forward package.

 

[McRanger92]

Health is a big concern with this player. And you're talking about giving up a first in a very strong forward draft when we are in a situation that we need young forwards, especially centers.

I'm really not inclined to ever give up two firsts for anything less than a real star player.

You do realize Mika, Trocheck & soon Chytil will be locked in long term at center right? Where are 2 18 year old centers contributing to this roster?

 

[mas0764]

Chychrun is a great fit for this team, and young and talented enough where he is immediately a core piece. If the cost is somewhat reasonable (it's going to take 4 assets) and you get him 50% retained, it's the move to make. No one here likes any rentals so getting a guy you have for 3 playoff runs should be a home run.

The bitter pill to swallow is that Lindgren is certainly going to be a goner in the offseason if Chychrun comes aboard

So really it's 5 assets.

Nah.

Unless the plan is to move Trouba for assets recouped in the offseason.

You do realize Mika, Trocheck & soon Chytil will be locked in long term at center right? Where are 2 18 year old centers contributing to this roster?

In the 2-3 years it will take those kids to arrive things will look very different around here.

No, the Rangers roster is not staying exactly the same for the 3 offseasons.

 

[McRanger92]

So really it's 5 assets.

Nah.

Unless the plan is to move Trouba for assets recouped in the offseason.

You can almost certainly get a first for Lindgren if you move him this summer. Just may not be in 23

 

[I Eat Crow]

More likely

Miller 5 x 5.25
Chytil 5 x 5
Laf 2 x 2.5
Kravtsov 1 x 1.4
Gauthier dealt or who cares

Those small additions in salary add up to a $2.1M difference

Not picking on you specifically, but what have Miller and Chytil done to deserve $5 million? Chytil will likely hit 20 goals for the first time in his career but had shown that he's injury prone. Miller isn't breaking 30 points any time soon even though his defensive play has improved. I think it's more likely Miller gets $5 million over Chytil, but if that's the number his camp wants, I would push for more UFA years in the deal. 6 or 7 years at that number instead of 4 or 5.

 

[mas0764]

Kravtsov is not getting moved, don't worry. This also forces the hand of trading Trouba in 2024

You should have jumped on board already

Tell me when and what I'm getting back for moving Trouba, keep Lindgren.

I'll deal a 24 first and Jones and maybe a throw in.

 

[McRanger92]

In the 2-3 years it will take those kids to arrive things will look very different around here.

No, the Rangers roster is not staying exactly the same for the 3 offseasons.

Our top 3 centers will be the same. And the main roster is not going to change much, we're in the window now. The organization will do everything in it's power to keep this group together for as long as possible. We havent even begun the LTIR shenanigans that every other contender takes advantage of every year. Trouba becomes more of a candidate with every passing year, the guy is already banged up

 

[mas0764]

Theyve lost beloved locker room guys like Buch and Strome the last 2 summers and have been no worse for the wear.

It is true that the "losing the locker room" argument is so overblown as to be basically irrelevant.

 

[duhmetreE]

Tell me when and what I'm getting back for moving Trouba, keep Lindgren.

I'll deal a 24 first and Jones and maybe a throw in.

Trouba will net a major return, despite how hes playing this season. 1st + prospect probably

 

[McRanger92]

It is true that the "losing the locker room" argument is so overblown as to be basically irrelevant.

"Losing the locker room" was more of a consideration for me when we weren't a clear top team in the league. These guys all know that a championship is at stake over the next number of years, thats what really matters

 

[mas0764]

Our top 3 centers will be the same. And the main roster is not going to change much, we're in the window now.

I doubt it will be the same, either the same 3 center or the main roster.

And again, unless Laf and Kakko continue to bloom exponentially, the team isn't winning anything.

Which is why we need to keep taking shots at high end forward prospects.

I'm really not convinced Trocheck nears the end of his deal either.

Trouba will net a major return, despite how hes playing this season. 1st + prospect probably

I've long suspected he would as well.

Again, if this is the path, it makes Chychrun way more appealing.

a) Chychrun is better, especially defensively, than Trouba.
b) Chychrun makes far less than Trouba, which means you can re-sign Laf, Kakko, etc, probably keep Lindgren as an elite third pair D, etc.
c) The first I'm giving up for Chychrun is replaced by the first I'll get back in 12-18 months for Trouba.
d) With Chychrun in, Jones becomes more expendable.

But I'm really not interested in moving a '23 first. The main scenario I foresee trading a '23 first being appealing to me, is in a package with the OTHER '23 first to move up and get a center you really love.

 

[duhmetreE]

I doubt it will be the same, either the same 3 center or the main roster.

And again, unless Laf and Kakko continue to bloom exponentially, the team isn't winning anything.

Which is why we need to keep taking shots at high end forward prospects.

I'm really not convinced Trocheck nears the end of his deal either.



I've long suspected he would as well.

Again, if this is the path, it makes Chychrun way more appealing.

a) Chychrun is better, especially defensively, than Trouba.
b) Chychrun makes far less than Trouba, which means you can re-sign Laf, Kakko, etc, probably keep Lindgren as an elite third pair D, etc.
c) The first I'm giving up for Chychrun is replaced by the first I'll get back in 12-18 months for Trouba.
d) With Chychrun in, Jones becomes more expendable.

But I'm really not interested in moving a '23 first. The main scenario I foresee trading a '23 first being appealing to me, is in a package with the OTHER '23 first to move up and get a center you really love.

It's give and take.

We will still have a 2023 1st rounder to find a player we like.

Think of it as Nils, 2024 1st and Jones type of package.