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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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I think for Chychrun- and look his value in the salary cap world is artificially inflated by his contract- I am fine giving up anything OFF the roster EXCEPT a 2023 1st and Othmann. Literally any combination of 3-4 assets outside of those two and I’d do it.

The player himself isn’t worth the price he’ll be dealt for but the Rangers would have a big, young, mobile top 4 D for $2.3M x 3? That’s something you have to strongly consider.

Maybe Chychrun (50%) for 2023 2nd, 2024 1st, Jones, (one other prospect not named Othmann)
 
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I Eat Crow said:
Miller: 5 years, $4.5 million
Chytil: 4 years, $4.25 million
Laf: 1 year, $2.1 million
Kravtsov: 1 year, $1.2 million
Gauthier: 2 years, 900K
HHH: who cares

About $12.5 million in cap. $4.25ish million left for a 7th defenseman and a backup goalie. Very doable. Gives Drury room to make a move for Chychrun or Garland at 50%.. I go for Chychrun all things equal. Lots of young wing talent on ELC's coming down the pipeline....
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If we gave miller. A 5 year deal that would make him a UFA at the end i believe. I dont think we go that route. More like a 3 yr or 4yr where it ends up his last year of RFA.
 
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If we can keep Chychurn then I’m all for it. But we need to be careful we have Jones and Robertson left, no high end Center and will most likely be promoting our only high end forward next season.
 
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Chychrun is a great fit for this team, and young and talented enough where he is immediately a core piece. If the cost is somewhat reasonable (it's going to take 4 assets) and you get him 50% retained, it's the move to make. No one here likes any rentals so getting a guy you have for 3 playoff runs should be a home run.

The bitter pill to swallow is that Lindgren is certainly going to be a goner in the offseason if Chychrun comes aboard (unless by some miracle Kreider or Trouba are willing to waive, but thats highly highly unlikely imo).

There's zero chance the coyotes move him without a 2023 first. Everyone knows how good this draft is and the Rangers have a surplus of 1st Rounders next year. Something will have to give. And the odds of one of those players drafted in the first round giving us what Chychrun will for the next 3 years (minimum) is very low imo

2023 1st (whichever is later), 2024 1st, Zones, Cuylle/Berard for Chychrun(50% retained) + Bjugstad (rental)

Kreider-Mika-Kakko
Panarin-Trocheck-Kravtsov
Lafreniere-Chytil-Goodrow
Vesey-Bjugstad-Gauthier/Brodz/depth rental

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Chychrun-Schneider

Looks really good to me. Lindgren would be loss in the offseason, but you can probably recoup a future first by trading him (1 year left then RFA). Having a d core of Fox, Miller, Chychrun & Schneider long term and being able to have 1 or 2 of them on the ice at all times would in front of Igor would make us incredibly dangerous. I'm into it.
 
Chytilmania said:
If we can keep Chychurn then I’m all for it. But we need to be careful we have Jones and Robertson left, no high end Center and will most likely be promoting our only high end forward next season.
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In all honesty. We dont need a center prospect that is ready to contribute immediately. Zib and trocheck are locked long term. Chytil should be locked up to. Thats a pretty strong top 3 centers.

What we lack is a top 9 RW. We have Kakko, and hopefully Krav. Then nothing.
 
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Ruggs225 said:
In all honesty. We dont need a center prospect that is ready to contribute immediately. Zib and trocheck are locked long term. Chytil should be locked up to. Thats a pretty strong top 3 centers.

What we lack is a top 9 RW. We have Kakko, and hopefully Krav. Then nothing.
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Yes we don’t need one yet, maybe not at all with those three, but my point was after the TDL it’s likely we don’t have any high end prospects at F or D. I love the guys we have to round out the bottom 6 and make us a deep team, don’t have to sign high priced free agents but we could use more high end talent again. I’d prefer not to go 4 years without picks and Brady Skjei is our only prospect.
 
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jerseyjinx94 said:
More likely

Miller 5 x 5.25
Chytil 5 x 5
Laf 2 x 2.5
Kravtsov 1 x 1.4
Gauthier dealt or who cares

Those small additions in salary add up to a $2.1M difference
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Why is Laf getting more than what Kakko got? I'd give him the same deal.

Miller at 5 years could potentially get that much, but there's also the distinct possibility that we sign him for only 2 or 3 years. Dobson's 3 years @ 4 mil is the primary comparable.

Chytil at 5x5 is probably a bit high. 4 x 4 makes more sense to me. He's playing well, but he's still stuck behind Zib and Trocheck, and he isn't going to get PP1 time any time soon. If he was in line for a larger role, then I can see the argument for paying him more, but we aren't going to pay our 3rd line center 5 mil per year.
 
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haohmaru said:
Yeah, it sure is a lot easier when you've got 4 guys on the roster that have never played an NHL game. 4.5M for Miller is pretty optimistic, IMHO. Where's Goodrow and his 3.6M?
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OK. Would it be better if it's another Hunt, Vesey, Brodz type? Because what's the difference? They are place holders. They will be given every chance to obtain the roster spot. If not obtained, there will be bargain bin signings.

This is what a flat cap roster looks like. We're not the only ones going to be having these issues.

2-3 years 4.5M for KAM is not optimistic. If anything, it's too much. As @GAGLine pointed out, Dobson just signed for 3x$4Mper
 
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Chytilmania said:
Yes we don’t need one yet, maybe not at all with those three, but my point was after the TDL it’s likely we don’t have any high end prospects at F or D. I love the guys we have to round out the bottom 6 and make us a deep team, don’t have to sign high priced free agents but we could use more high end talent again. I’d prefer not to go 4 years without picks and Brady Skjei is our only prospect.
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Well i do agree with this. But tthis team is also kinda built funkily. I mean we have alot of vets locked in long term and alot of high end youth playing. So we dont actually have much “high. End” prospect needs for the short term but rather have bottom 6 or 3rd pair needs other than a RW.

So we can technically get away with a a year or two without mich draft capital.

Though i would always prefer to keep draft capital instead of going to the FA route like we did in the past. But with the way our team is set i dont even think we go to the FA route all that much.

Now if only we had a coach that knew how to develop and win at the same time and to get the most from his personnel.
 
apoptygma said:
Getting Chychrun would make loosing Lindgren in the summer more palpable.
Would Arizona accept 24 & 25 1. rounders?
Say 24+25 1. rounders + Jones + a forward prospect.

In the summer Lindgren should give us back a 24 1. rounder and a decent prospect. Re-sign Harpur for 3. pairing duty next season and possible improve that spot a little at the 24 TDL.

Should set the D for the next 2,5 season.
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Why would you trade Lindgren? He plays 1st pair D and makes 3 mil a year through next year.
 
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Seeing everyone jump on the Chychrun train

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Chychrun is a top pairing defenceman. I was into the idea a year or 2 ago. Season after season he continues to cement the injury prone tag. Great player but I'm not paying a premium for a guy I know is missing a third of the season every year. 7 years in the league and he has one season where he didn't miss significant time, and that was the 20-21 shortened season of 56 games. For that very reason unless he comes at a discount I want no part in it. Same reason I wanted Blais for a pick last year. There's some players that just can't stay healthy
 
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Chychrun is a top pairing defenceman. I was into the idea a year or 2 ago. Season after season he continues to cement the injury prone tag. Great player but I'm not paying a premium for a guy I know is missing a third of the season every year. 7 years in the league and he has one season where he didn't miss significant time, and that was the 20-21 shortened season of 56 games. For that very reason unless he comes at a discount I want no part in it. Same reason I wanted Blais for a pick last year. There's some players that just can't stay healthy
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Chychrun is a month younger than Fox. Many players go through injury concerns early in their careers and get over it. My personal opinion is that Chychrun has taken his time getting healthy and the procedures he has had done were to prepare for his next team. It benefitted all parties for the Yotes to be able to trade a fully healthy player. Similar to Eichel in that his priority was always to be ready to go for his next team, not the one he is currently on
 
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B17 Apricots said:
Chychrun is a top pairing defenceman. I was into the idea a year or 2 ago. Season after season he continues to cement the injury prone tag. Great player but I'm not paying a premium for a guy I know is missing a third of the season every year. 7 years in the league and he has one season where he didn't miss significant time, and that was the 20-21 shortened season of 56 games. For that very reason unless he comes at a discount I want no part in it. Same reason I wanted Blais for a pick last year. There's some players that just can't stay healthy
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A professional hockey staff may help him over his college team
 
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I've never not been on the Chychrun train just not as vocal as @duhmetreE. His contract is a huge value add as it stands but with retention? NYR also have a clear need at LD.

Agree w @McRanger92 that the bitter pill is it would most likely mean Lindgren is not re-signed. Tough to stomach but makes sense on paper. But it could also be one of those moves that makes sense on paper but then in the real world is a bit of a letdown. Lindgren is an underrated player and it is hard for us on the outside to fully assess the impact of his longstanding chemistry with Fox. And goes without saying but Fox is the NYR important skater today and moving forward.
 
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Im fully on board on the Chych trade.

Unpopular opinion but id give a 1st in this years draft if they wanted it included in the package.

The time to win is within the next few years. We got the core needed to, with just a couple pieces missing. At this point let’s stop worrying about what picks could turn out to be. I’m not saying blow them on anyone and loose a trade but we can afford to trade the 1st and get a solid player back
 
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