Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[egelband]

I’m warming up to the idea of making a move for Chychrun. If the Coyotes would hold 50% of his salary, he becomes a flat out bargain. I’d offer a 2023 second that becomes a first (gulp) if the Rangers make the conference final, a 2024 first, Zac Jones and one forward prospect not named Othmann. That’s close enough to the Coyotes asking price to get a negotiation going. Not hearing anything out here other than the Coyotes would like to make a deal sooner than later.

He is playing extremely well and would really deepen the Rangers back end.

Is he really that good? Is he mobile? I don’t know much about him. My gut feeling is the defense is fine and I’m hoping Jones figures out the defensive end.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

No, I’m new here


You need to spend some time watching Arizona. Chychrun playing very well both ways.

I don’t disagree with that so my question to you is who’s playing on the third pair then? Do you really wanna break up Fox and Lindgren? Say you slide Miller to third pair, wouldn’t that hurt his development by getting less minutes? Then you have Chychrun, you don’t want to put him on the third pair either. I’m just playing devil’s advocate here because you’re going to trade for a guy who might not be utilized properly and then the team already has cap issues coming up and won’t be able to keep him long term.

 

[duhmetreE]

They want that for full price.


Or they just buy him out.

They’ll settle when we throw in Hajek

I don’t disagree with that so my question to you is who’s playing on the third pair then? Do you really wanna break up Fox and Lindgren? Say you slide Miller to third pair, wouldn’t that hurt his development by getting less minutes? Then you have Chychrun, you don’t want to put him on the third pair either. I’m just playing devil’s advocate here because you’re going to trade for a guy who might not be utilized properly and then the team already has cap issues coming up and won’t be able to keep him long term.

Roll 3 pairs. Keep them fresh. Play the hot hand

 

[bobbop]

Give me something Bob..

would AZ go for a 2023, 2024 1st and Jones for Chych at 50%?

IMO he upgrades this team a lot more than people realize


just saw this post.

I'm all in on it TBH.

If Drury step up with two firsts, the salary split and the other prospects can be negotiated. Jones doesn’t have a place here now or in the future if this kind of deal goes down. I haven’t been a fan of trading two firsts but Chychrun is playing really well. He really adds to the Ranger offense from the back end and his contract would be outstanding. I think it’s doable.

Go big or go home

Is he really that good? Is he mobile? I don’t know much about him. My gut feeling is the defense is fine and I’m hoping Jones figures out the defensive end.

Yes and very.

 

[mas0764]

I’m warming up to the idea of making a move for Chychrun. If the Coyotes would hold 50% of his salary, he becomes a flat out bargain. I’d offer a 2023 second that becomes a first (gulp) if the Rangers make the conference final, a 2024 first, Zac Jones and one forward prospect not named Othmann. That’s close enough to the Coyotes asking price to get a negotiation going. Not hearing anything out here other than the Coyotes would like to make a deal sooner than later.

He is playing extremely well and would really deepen the Rangers back end.

Way too much.

This guy is not even a true bona fide first pair defender. He’s like a tweener like Trouba is supposed to be (but currently isn’t).

 

[duhmetreE]

Way too much.

This guy is not even a true bona fide first pair defender. He’s like a tweener like Trouba is supposed to be (but currently isn’t).

Right now, he’d be 2nd in this team, only to Fox.

He is a top pair defender. They're not even in the same stratosphere, comparatively speaking. Chych would skate circles around Trouba

 

[mas0764]

Right now, he’d be 2nd in this team, only to Fox.

He is a top pair defender.

He’s a good player and a better player than Trouba but 2 firsts, a good prospect and a medium prospect is a star haul.

Not interested at that price.

 

[duhmetreE]

He’s a good player and a better player than Trouba but 2 firsts, a good prospect and a medium prospect is a star haul.

Not interested at that price.

He's worth that. 3 Playoff runs at an absurdly cheap cap hit. 2 late 1sts and a player that will never play on this team is not a steep price for what we're getting IMO

The only concern would be health.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Way too much.

This guy is not even a true bona fide first pair defender. He’s like a tweener like Trouba is supposed to be (but currently isn’t).

He could either slide into the third pair for this season, and immediately give us a monster three pairs, or he slides lindgren down to the third, and gives us a monster three pairs. He's never played with anyone near as good as fox, and schneider would be one of the best he's played with.

 

[duhmetreE]

He could either slide into the third pair for this season, and immediately give us a monster three pairs, or he slides lindgren down to the third, and gives us a monster three pairs. He's never played with anyone near as good as fox, and schneider would be one of the best he's played with.

The added benefit of keeping Fox and co fresh. People forget last year quickly...

Trouba was 100% out of gas last playoffs..... and seems he hasn't filled up since

Chychrun Fox would rival Toews Makar of last year

 

[Vitto79]

Is he really that good? Is he mobile? I don’t know much about him. My gut feeling is the defense is fine and I’m hoping Jones figures out the defensive end.

Pretty sure Jones is a goner as they want a big body D. How’s Robertson doing in the AHL?

Hajek will be gone soon

 

[IDvsEGO]

The added benefit of keeping Fox and co fresh. People forget last year quickly...

Trouba was 100% out of gas last playoffs..... and seems he hasn't filled up since

Chychrun Fox would rival Toews Makar of last year

Chychrun + fox would be better than toews makar.
It would also give us an incredible amount of depth. Because lindgren as a 3rd pair D would be incredible.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Lindgren is a fine player but giving Fox a more mobile, much more skilled partner could elevate him to another level. The cost will be tremendous especially if you are talking about retention but I think I would do it.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Probably mentioned but after taking another look at the cap landscape, the biggest news in that regard this season will likely be locking up Vesey for two years at 800k.

You get a competent 2 way player who can play up and down the lineup but at the very least you lock him in at 4th line LW and move on from Blais and his 1.525.

I think it’s obvious at this point they will let him walk unless he does a complete 180 the remainder of the season which is highly unlikely.

They have 16.8 projected to extend Miller, Chytil and Laf and Kravstov, Gauthier, Hajek, Harpur, and Halak if they choose to do so.

Isles about to lose. Great night for the Rangers

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Pretty sure Jones is a goner as they want a big body D. How’s Robertson doing in the AHL?

Hajek will be gone soon

I'm not sure how Robertson is doing this season but from the way Vince and others around the team talk about him, I get the feeling the organization sees him as part of the big club at some point.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Probably mentioned but after taking another look at the cap landscape, the biggest news in that regard this season will likely be locking up Vesey for two years at 800k.

You get a competent 2 way player who can play up and down the lineup but at the very least you lock him in at 4th line LW and move on from Blais and his 1.525.

I think it’s obvious at this point they will let him walk unless he does a complete 180 the remainder of the season which is highly unlikely.

They have 16.8 projected to extend Miller, Chytil and Laf and Kravstov, Gauthier, Hajek, Harpur, and Halak if they choose to do so.

Isles about to lose. Great night for the Rangers

Miller: 5 years, $4.5 million
Chytil: 4 years, $4.25 million
Laf: 1 year, $2.1 million
Kravtsov: 1 year, $1.2 million
Gauthier: 2 years, 900K
HHH: who cares

About $12.5 million in cap. $4.25ish million left for a 7th defenseman and a backup goalie. Very doable. Gives Drury room to make a move for Chychrun or Garland at 50%.. I go for Chychrun all things equal. Lots of young wing talent on ELC's coming down the pipeline....

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Except the Coyotes have said the price for him w/o retention is 2 firsts and a prospect. Whats the price with retention?

Chychrun is a great player for his cap hit, the problem becomes what assets do you give up to get him at 50% and does that make us a worse team in the long run.

He's got another 2 years after this at a fantastic value, but we've got too many kids to extend.

Why is my name attached to that? I'm positive I never said that. That's not my quote

 

[egelband]

Why is my name attached to that? I'm positive I never said that. That's not my quote

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Weird. That's originally @bobbop 's post.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

If Drury step up with two firsts, the salary split and the other prospects can be negotiated. Jones doesn’t have a place here now or in the future if this kind of deal goes down. I haven’t been a fan of trading two firsts but Chychrun is playing really well. He really adds to the Ranger offense from the back end and his contract would be outstanding. I think it’s doable.

Go big or go home


Yes and very.

Hey Bob, after taking time to think about it, I think I do it but I also think Arizona would ask for too much to retain half. I didn’t realize he had 2 years left after this season. 3 runs with him on d I think I do it but if Arizona publicly says they’ll retain half, you’re gonna see a massive bidding war which would probably be too rich for the Rangers’s blood.

 

[bl02]

Miller: 5 years, $4.5 million
Chytil: 4 years, $4.25 million
Laf: 1 year, $2.1 million
Kravtsov: 1 year, $1.2 million
Gauthier: 2 years, 900K
HHH: who cares

About $12.5 million in cap. $4.25ish million left for a 7th defenseman and a backup goalie. Very doable. Gives Drury room to make a move for Chychrun or Garland at 50%.. I go for Chychrun all things equal. Lots of young wing talent on ELC's coming down the pipeline....

If we can sign Miller for that I will jump for joy. I would easily add another million or 1.25 million.

 

[Good Intentions]

Wonder would Anaheim take a 2nd for Vatrano with 50% retained? We know he fits here, at 1.8 he'd be a steal, send blais back in the deal, not sure if him having 2 years left would be good or bad

You should get Vatrano for a 3 and Blais.

 

[apoptygma]

Getting Chychrun would make loosing Lindgren in the summer more palpable.
Would Arizona accept 24 & 25 1. rounders?
Say 24+25 1. rounders + Jones + a forward prospect.

In the summer Lindgren should give us back a 24 1. rounder and a decent prospect. Re-sign Harpur for 3. pairing duty next season and possible improve that spot a little at the 24 TDL.

Should set the D for the next 2,5 season.

 

[haohmaru]

No, I’m new here

Don't be snarky. Show me the math if you're going to act like another 2.3M is no big deal.

 

[haohmaru]

what a cluster

Yeah, it sure is a lot easier when you've got 4 guys on the roster that have never played an NHL game. 4.5M for Miller is pretty optimistic, IMHO. Where's Goodrow and his 3.6M?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Miller: 5 years, $4.5 million
Chytil: 4 years, $4.25 million
Laf: 1 year, $2.1 million
Kravtsov: 1 year, $1.2 million
Gauthier: 2 years, 900K
HHH: who cares

About $12.5 million in cap. $4.25ish million left for a 7th defenseman and a backup goalie. Very doable. Gives Drury room to make a move for Chychrun or Garland at 50%.. I go for Chychrun all things equal. Lots of young wing talent on ELC's coming down the pipeline....

More likely

Miller 5 x 5.25
Chytil 5 x 5
Laf 2 x 2.5
Kravtsov 1 x 1.4
Gauthier dealt or who cares

Those small additions in salary add up to a $2.1M difference