It would help if some of the shots were on net. There were a boat load of shots last night that were wide of the net. Also talking about chances last night no one had more than Chytil.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted
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gravey9
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I know last year's run convinced many of us that the window of contention has officially opened. And much of that belief is due to Shesty being in his prime. But I think a great or very reliable goalie is only one element to becoming a contender. Another is, you have a few veteran go to players that have proven they can and will score when the team needs someone to step up in big moments.
Last year we certainly got timely goals and many from Kreider. One notable one from Panarin. But I would argue that we don't seem to have that kind of player on our roster. Not amongst the forwards. You certainly see Foxy stepping up when we need something. But back when the Rangers won the cup, we had Messier and Leetch who took on the brunt of that responsibility. Team needed a play and you could bet that one of Mess or Leetch would step up (at least that year and in 92). But I don't know that we have that forward right now. If we have them, they are one of the younger players who hasn't matured yet to that role.
Point is, I don't actually think we are legitimately in our window with this current core. And i don't think a rental is the type of addition that can get you that kind of leadership. I think it has to be a core piece. Which, to me, means, despite some popular analysis around here, I don't believe the Rangers have opened their contention window yet. Not unless I see something more robust, stout and reliable from one of the veteran players.
Furthermore, I would say the vet core we do have smacks of the kind that accels during the regular season but nec in the post season. We are far too perimeter. The issue is, that vet core that should be piling up points in the regular season are not getting it done this year. They are failing to lead in the regular season, not even the playoffs. I think some of that has to do with the long run last year and lingering aftermath. But otherwise this team feels like we don't have our Messier or Mackinnon yet. What is in our interest is to do whatever we can to help the kids grow into that role in the future. Can Laffy or Kakko or Chytil or Kravy become that? Despite what many impatient posters around here believe, the jury on that issue is very much still out. All this to say, team better find a way to keep developing its kids.
Last year we certainly got timely goals and many from Kreider. One notable one from Panarin. But I would argue that we don't seem to have that kind of player on our roster. Not amongst the forwards. You certainly see Foxy stepping up when we need something. But back when the Rangers won the cup, we had Messier and Leetch who took on the brunt of that responsibility. Team needed a play and you could bet that one of Mess or Leetch would step up (at least that year and in 92). But I don't know that we have that forward right now. If we have them, they are one of the younger players who hasn't matured yet to that role.
Point is, I don't actually think we are legitimately in our window with this current core. And i don't think a rental is the type of addition that can get you that kind of leadership. I think it has to be a core piece. Which, to me, means, despite some popular analysis around here, I don't believe the Rangers have opened their contention window yet. Not unless I see something more robust, stout and reliable from one of the veteran players.
Furthermore, I would say the vet core we do have smacks of the kind that accels during the regular season but nec in the post season. We are far too perimeter. The issue is, that vet core that should be piling up points in the regular season are not getting it done this year. They are failing to lead in the regular season, not even the playoffs. I think some of that has to do with the long run last year and lingering aftermath. But otherwise this team feels like we don't have our Messier or Mackinnon yet. What is in our interest is to do whatever we can to help the kids grow into that role in the future. Can Laffy or Kakko or Chytil or Kravy become that? Despite what many impatient posters around here believe, the jury on that issue is very much still out. All this to say, team better find a way to keep developing its kids.
nsvoyageurs
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Lias had other issues. Mainly, maturity, which I don't think Lafreniere has had (that I am aware of).
Van fan coming in peace.
Do you guys think JT Miller would have put you guys over the top?
We really regret not taking the supposed Chytil, Lundqvist, 1st round deal.
Is there still a deal to be made for Miller?
Do you guys think JT Miller would have put you guys over the top?
We really regret not taking the supposed Chytil, Lundqvist, 1st round deal.
Is there still a deal to be made for Miller?
UnSandvich
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Boys, it’s simple. We put Fox and Shesty on LTIR for the remainder of the season and draft Bedard. Package Trochek and whatever for a legitimate 3C who can’t challenge Bedard for top six minutes. Fox and Shesty are WELL rested next season. Boomski.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Wow he’s that bad and he’s still going to score 100 points, imagine how many points he’d get if he didn’t suck
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
He doesn't suck but he's a far cry from the MVP level player he was his first year here.
Raspewtin
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and we already have plenty of shit defensive players and slow players. we didn’t need another one. especially one that needs to be able to break games open
KirkAlbuquerque
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Gudas would cost more and Florida can’t really spare any dmen to begin with
HFsNumber1Heel
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Florida will be in sell mode in about five week post All Star Break. Gudas is a RHD though so unless he can play the offside, redundant.
The only LHD they have who would make sense is.....Marc Staal.......(I hear a pin drop).......
Nick Cousins, Ryan Lomberg, Chris Tierney are all low cost pieces who are good for depth.
Rangers can always send back a Hajek or a Scanlin in a larger deal. Florida's top guys are too rich for next year's cap.
HFsNumber1Heel
FKA Roo Returns...Still A Contrarian Apparently
@Raspewtin nice picture. Psylocke was my favorite character in Children of the Atom and also The Clones Wars Saga on Sega Genesis.
I really hope she gets a do over in the MCU Phase 5. They can even start her as OG Betsy and do the body swapping with Kwannan/Revanche and eventually her as Captain Britain as part of the storyline (please leave all of Cyclops/Magneto and especially Jean Gray out of the first two new films).
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Rangers actually could use a fiery guy like Miller. But I’m sure they can’t afford him. I would probably consider Kreider for Miller but that’s kind of a lateral move and I think the rangers front office and lots of fans are in love with Kreider so that’s probably a non-starter anyhow.
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80shockeywasbuns
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The hilarious thing is that they thought their best way to accelerate the rebuild was turning Pavel Buchnevich into a poo poo platter of Reaves, Nemeth, Tinordi, Blais, Goodrow, etc. Just unbelievable. No matter what angle you analyze the last few years from, it all comes back to the same thing. The trash grit caveman philosophy that just poisons everything about how the team operates. It’s why every fwd prospect underperforms and/or requests a trade. It’s why the systems and player deployment are horrendous leading to very poor 5v5 play. It’s why Ben Harpur is currently employed by the team and Zac Jones is in Hartford. Its unfathomable how behind the times NYR is with how much high end talent they’ve lucked into.
Mojo, maturity. I think that's what galls Gallant. Laf cannot be this goofy kid just having fun floating on his talent anymore. He's a pro now on a team that seeks to enter serious contender status. So far this season the team has regressed when it should have grown. Imo a large part of that is on the coaches/management, but Gallant is set in his ways and can only try to squeeze the players to perform better.
Circus86
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Disagree. The team signed two players in their mid 20s at the start of a so called rebuild that take up 25% of the teams cap. A team that just started a real rebuild does not do that. It was meant to be a small retool from a start. No real rebuild.
I don't want to be rude but how can the Rangers afford another $8M cap hit?
Miller was better last season. Vancouver blew it when they didn't trade him last season.
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Forget it. New herd cry here is that it’s all Gallant’s fault (I assume other fans turn on their teams head coaches just as the NYRHFB posters). I don’t see anything wrong with Gallant’s word to the media but anything can be twisted and turned into something else. Lafreniere is a third year pro. He’s had enough meh games this season to be called out for not consistently giving an effort that’s expected of him (and seen from him already). No, it’s better enabling him to play half-assed hoping again and again that he decides to maybe it’s time to show up. Nuts.
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Lias’ main issue was talent which was exacerbated by lack of work ethics.
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If you shelter the leaders on this group and bury the kids it most certainly is a coaching issue. The two tiered system never works in any league I've been involved in. Most good coaches will sit a mainstay as a message to the rest to pick it up, scratching Laf just puts more pressure on him to play more safe hockey to stay under the radar, something nobody should hope he does.
Fox quietly putting up 35 points in 42 games, without him we're a pretty bad team imo.
haohmaru
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Your view is so… biased to put it mildly. No one is burying kids no one is asking Lafreniere to play “safe”. Playing responsibility and with an effort like let’s say Kakko or Chytil is not burying. Even Kravtsov who has his own warts stemming from lack of physical preparedness because of missed year last year has played with more effort on a shift by shift basis.
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