Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Pawnee Rangers]

The rebuild just got shat upon

What’s wrong with this statement? Develop in practice but try and win games which means playing the guys who are playing best. He had Chytil and Krav out there late in a 1-1 game. At one point in OT he had Kakko, Chytil, and Schneider out for a shift. He’s not averse to playing young guys, he’s averse to playing young guys playing like shit. I don’t think there’s a coach in this league who would run this bench much different than Gallant.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I think there is a very large difference between the PP not scoring and the PP not being good. I thought it was very good yesterday and generated a lot of chances.

our bar is low because we are traumatized by the Torts PP era where we couldn't even control the puck. Guess what every team is able to maintain possession on the PP nowadays. Our setup sucks and Kreider is hardly even involved anymore. Zib takes one timers from the far wall closer to the blue line than the circle, Panarin and Fox just play patty cake and almost never shoot. Trochek does nothing but take faceoffs. PP stinks and won't get better until real changes are made.

 

[pld459666]

What’s wrong with this statement? Develop in practice but try and win games which means playing the guys who are playing best. He had Chytil and Krav out there late in a 1-1 game. At one point in OT he had Kakko, Chytil, and Schneider out for a shift. He’s not averse to playing young guys, he’s averse to playing young guys playing like shit. I don’t think there’s a coach in this league who would run this bench much different than Gallant.

Development comes from game reps, not practice where there is no serious pushback from the opposition.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Development comes from game reps, not practice where there is no serious pushback from the opposition.

It amazes me how people think the answer to a player playing bad is to gift him more ice time. Do you really think putting Laff in a scenario where he has to think and play faster on the PP is a good thing? If a player wants those opportunities he should just play better. Julian Gauthier has half the talent as Laff, except for speed, and does more with his 8-10 minutes a night than Laff does playing with better players. That’s sad.

 

[JimmyG89]

Development comes from game reps, not practice where there is no serious pushback from the opposition.

Yup and it's why young players are sent to minor/junior leagues to get those reps.

If the best source of building a player was practice with a top level team, none of the players with promise would be in those leagues, they'd be scratches or 4th liners/rotational D.

The best thing that happened for someone like Chytil was going to play in Hartford for a while and get those major minutes. He's the focal point on that team. Kravtsov got those major minutes in the KHL when he went back and he's building on that confidence in the NHL right now. You can see it every game. He made his patented between the legs deke on Hedman last night, not some scrubby defender.

The rushing of top picks to the NHL is probably the worst thing for the league. The only time that it is probably good is if you know the player will get put in those spots right away. I still say this goes back to Quinn not pushing those guys into those spots once they were on the team. Give them 10-20 games to find themselves on a lower line and then feed them minutes.

It amazes me how people think the answer to a player playing bad is to gift him more ice time. Do you really think putting Laff in a scenario where he has to think and play faster on the PP is a good thing? If a player wants those opportunities he should just play better. Julian Gauthier has half the talent as Laff, except for speed, and does more with his 8-10 minutes a night than Laff does playing with better players. That’s sad.

When you begin a new job, how do you end up getting better at it? Training and repetition is the best course of action. If that fails, you were not meant for the job. We have not seen those players given those reps. They've gotten the training at the NHL level, but no responsibility at that level. Next to no PP time, next to no PK time, not even as the extra skater while down 1 late in a game. You cannot learn how to play in a situation if you are not in that situation.

 

[pld459666]

It amazes me how people think the answer to a player playing bad is to gift him more ice time. Do you really think putting Laff in a scenario where he has to think and play faster on the PP is a good thing? If a player wants those opportunities he should just play better. Julian Gauthier has half the talent as Laff, except for speed, and does more with his 8-10 minutes a night than Laff does playing with better players. That’s sad.

Nope, but if you have paid attention to my posts, I have clearly put the kids on blast as they have not done enough themselves.

That said, getting ice time jerked around when they had few bad games after playing VERY WELL while winning 8 of 9 does NOTHING for these kids.

If this team want to accomplish ANYTHING, these kids have to be developed and again, its not gonna happen on practice.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

It amazes me how people think the answer to a player playing bad is to gift him more ice time. Do you really think putting Laff in a scenario where he has to think and play faster on the PP is a good thing? If a player wants those opportunities he should just play better. Julian Gauthier has half the talent as Laff, except for speed, and does more with his 8-10 minutes a night than Laff does playing with better players. That’s sad.

Worked for Miller and Schneider ? They sucked ass but we’re allowed to work through it

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Nope, but if you have paid attention to my posts, I have clearly put the kids on blast as they have not done enough themselves.

That said, getting ice time jerked around when they had few bad games after playing VERY WELL while winning 8 of 9 does NOTHING for these kids.

If this team want to accomplish ANYTHING, these kids have to be developed and again, its not gonna happen on practice.

I’d argue that Kakko, Chytil, Miller, Schneider have all been and are being successfully developed. Heck, even Kravtsov is starting to put it together. We all want to see Laff and the kids succeed people just need to be patient

 

[gravey9]

I don't know if Laffy would accept it, but the best thing for him is to go down for a few weeks and regain some confidence in the A. He needs 2-3 games just to break some habits. Then another few games to put some pucks in the net. I would think 5-10 game stint in the A would do him wonders. But does anyone have the guts to do it? The reason to send him down isn't to punish, it's to rekindle his confidence and let him be the man again. He hasn't been the man now for 2 and a half years fighting for ice on this vet team and figuring out what to do. Right now, he's hesitating and when you don't have top end speed, it'll make a funk seem a lot worse and can really mess with one's confidence. In his time with the team I've never seen his confidence this low. We've all seen him play better. The fact that the AHL hasn't been an option for him is a problem. He's only 21. He needs his mojo back.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Worked for Miller and Schneider ? They sucked ass but we’re allowed to work through

Worked for Miller and Schneider ? They sucked ass but we’re allowed to work through it

Laff has been unspectacular for almost three seasons and got more opportunities to suck than either of those two. He got scratched for one stupid game and y’all are losing your damn minds. Relax.

 

[Fitzy]

so if you go back and look at the TOI and PP TOI for the Sedin twins behind Bertuzzi Morrison Naslund, it was a little more than our kids but not a ton more.

GG days he’s here to win- that’s why if he fails to that end he will be gone sooner than later

 

[Good Intentions]

13 will be a solid NHL player because he has attributes that make him an average or above average pro player. That doesn’t mean I want him on my team. There are plenty of decent 2-way 50 point scorers on the open market every summer. He’s not a guy that I believe in (as already discussed at length) and I am accepting a return on him if there’s a player or future that makes sense in exchange. With that said, the organization is still at fault for a lot of the prospect/developmental issues that we have. Separate conversation, and it is important to differentiate between the two.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

The Zibanejad and Panarin doom and gloom posts are hilarious. There are some things they can do better. These are two of the best forwards talent wise this franchise has ever had

 

[The Crypto Guy]

What’s wrong with this statement? Develop in practice but try and win games which means playing the guys who are playing best. He had Chytil and Krav out there late in a 1-1 game. At one point in OT he had Kakko, Chytil, and Schneider out for a shift. He’s not averse to playing young guys, he’s averse to playing young guys playing like shit. I don’t think there’s a coach in this league who would run this bench much different than Gallant.

Problem is he has no problem playing vets who are playing like shit.

13 will be a solid NHL player because he has attributes that make him an average or above average pro player. That doesn’t mean I want him on my team. There are plenty of decent 2-way 50 point scorers on the open market every summer. He’s not a guy that I believe in (as already discussed at length) and I am accepting a return on him if there’s a player or future that makes sense in exchange. With that said, the organization is still at fault for a lot of the prospect/developmental issues that we have. Separate conversation, and it is important to differentiate between the two.

No there aren’t lol. And if there is one you are paying big bucks.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Problem is he has no problem playing vets who are playing like shit.

Problem is Laff has played even worse than the vets playing like shit. Vets have a track record at least all Laff has at the moment is his draft position and slick goal against Detroit last season. He needs to do more it’s really that simple. Just be goddam noticeable out there.

 

[Rangers in 7]

13 will be a solid NHL player because he has attributes that make him an average or above average pro player. That doesn’t mean I want him on my team. There are plenty of decent 2-way 50 point scorers on the open market every summer. He’s not a guy that I believe in (as already discussed at length) and I am accepting a return on him if there’s a player or future that makes sense in exchange. With that said, the organization is still at fault for a lot of the prospect/developmental issues that we have. Separate conversation, and it is important to differentiate between the two.

Losing faith in a 21 year old and trading him for futures is just a dumb move

 

[Fitzy]

Losing faith in a 21 year old and trading him for futures is just a dumb move

Depends on the 21 year old. Moving on from Lias was a good call

 

[Rangers in 7]

Depends on the 21 year old. Moving on from Lias was a good call

In the case of laf it’s a dumb move

 

[Fitzy]

In the case of laf it’s a dumb move

Im inclined to agree.

I think Jones is the most likely guy to be trade bait this year

 

[Rangers in 7]

Im inclined to agree.

I think Jones is the most likely guy to be trade bait this year

Sorry I thought you were the original poster I quoted. I was specifically replying to him and laf. Jones is going to get traded imo

 

[JimmyG89]

Nope, but if you have paid attention to my posts, I have clearly put the kids on blast as they have not done enough themselves.

That said, getting ice time jerked around when they had few bad games after playing VERY WELL while winning 8 of 9 does NOTHING for these kids.

If this team want to accomplish ANYTHING, these kids have to be developed and again, its not gonna happen on practice.

This is quite literally why the team made it as far as they did last season. If they didn't move forward, getting Copp, Vatrano, Braun, and Motte wouldn't have been enough added to make the team what it was. They also would never have been acquired.

This is supposed to be the leap forward season for all of them. I've seen a lot more from Kakko, Schneider, Miller, Chytil, and Kravtsov than last season. Lafreniere has been off and on, but more on than off. Have a feeling there is a really big game from him against Florida.

 

[leetch99]

I agree
The problem is kreider lost his touch
He's either missing the puck or his tips are going wide.
He went from best in the league at tip ins last year to average at best...
He had plenty of chances yesterday

That one is easy.....Fox shots are rushed more as they are all over him and Kreider spending more time on the side of the goalie versus in front of them. I wish they would start the 2nd unit and let the top unit finish the PP. It might be a way to get Fox some more room......and Kreider as well. Try it for a couple of attempts.

 

[leetch99]

Panarin needs to shoot less. He can't hit the net to save his life.

Maybe he needs glasses ? He should contact the Al Arbour family and get an old pair .

 

[zlev]

The Zibanejad and Panarin doom and gloom posts are hilarious. There are some things they can do better. These are two of the best forwards talent wise this franchise has ever had

Panarin was 5th in 5v5 GF% in 19-20 at 66% (700min played minimum, he played more minutes than anyone else in the t10), he was probably the best player to have on the ice in the whole NHL that year. He was fine in 20-21 at 60%, which makes sense since his linemates were worse (Blackwell instead of Fast). Even last year when everyone thought he sucked he was at 58%. this year he's at 48%. that is a huge drop off and really isn't acceptable for a guy making what he makes. if he was anywhere close to his 19-20 form this team would look so much different.

Mika has been fine but he's just such a different player than he was a couple years ago. He is much better defensively but worse offensively. It balances out to about the same.

 

[bhamill]

It amazes me how people think the answer to a player playing bad is to gift him more ice time. Do you really think putting Laff in a scenario where he has to think and play faster on the PP is a good thing? If a player wants those opportunities he should just play better. Julian Gauthier has half the talent as Laff, except for speed, and does more with his 8-10 minutes a night than Laff does playing with better players. That’s sad.

In all fairness we are talking about developing a player, not just taking a player who is what he is and throwing him out there when he’s playing bad…
That being said, BOTH game and non game (practice and off ice) experience are important to development.