Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[RagFinMet]

I think there is a very large difference between the PP not scoring and the PP not being good. I thought it was very good yesterday and generated a lot of chances.

I agree
The problem is kreider lost his touch
He's either missing the puck or his tips are going wide.
He went from best in the league at tip ins last year to average at best...
He had plenty of chances yesterday

 

[McRanger92]

I think there is a very large difference between the PP not scoring and the PP not being good. I thought it was very good yesterday and generated a lot of chances.

One dimensional. Has been all year. Having possession and not hitting the back of the net doesnt make it good. The numbers are what they are.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Nah, I get the same thing with the Knicks. Lil' Jimmy just wants to assure every game is a sellout.

His corporate friends take care of that....

 

[Avery16]

I'm disturbed by the comments by GG, but that said, Lafreniere HAS to take ownership of not forcing the issue as he has been invisible often.

What bothers me is that his current production is on par with Kakko's, who has an extra year development. Laf was demoted to 4th, then scratched. Meanwhile, Kakko is elevated to the 1st line. It should be one standard.

 

[McRanger92]

What bothers me is that his current production is on par with Kakko's, who has an extra year development. Laf was demoted to 4th, then scratched. Meanwhile, Kakko is elevated to the 1st line. It should be one standard.

Its very obviously not about point totals or production. No one can say with a straight face that Kakko hasnt been worlds better than Laf and last years version of himself.

 

[SA16]

One dimensional. Has been all year. Having possession and not hitting the back of the net doesnt make it good. The numbers are what they are.

It's not one dimensional. The Zibanejad play is just a meme complaint at this point. He's attempted 27% of the teams shot on the PP when on the ice. That's 31st in the league among players with 50+ PP mins. They're one of four teams with two guys with 7+ PPGs.

 

[McRanger92]

It's not one dimensional. The Zibanejad play is just a meme complaint at this point. He's attempted 27% of the teams shot on the PP when on the ice. That's 31st in the league among players with 50+ PP mins. They're one of four teams with two guys with 7+ PPGs.

Rationalize all you want but the fact is they havent been nearly as good as they were last year on the PP and they are coming up small when the team needs them quite a bit this year. If it's just regression from last year, I can accept the logic of that, but you dont not address an issue because youre chalking it up to regression.

Panarin and Fox need to shoot more, full stop. And the coaching staff (or players) need to adjust and put Trocheck and Kreider netfront. The team is allergic to having traffic in front in any situation.

 

[SA16]

Rationalize all you want but the fact is they havent been nearly as good as they were last year on the PP and they are coming up small when the team needs them quite a bit this year. If it's just regression from last year, I can accept the logic of that, but you dont not address an issue because youre chalking it up to regression.

Panarin and Fox need to shoot more, full stop. And the coaching staff (or players) need to adjust and put Trocheck and Kreider netfront. The team is allergic to having traffic in front in any situation.

So change for the sake of change? Also, Panarin and Fox both have the second highest PP shot rates of their career this year. Maybe they should shoot less. The PP had better results last year when they weren't shooting as much.

 

[haohmaru]

Panarin and Fox need to shoot more, full stop. And the coaching staff (or players) need to adjust and put Trocheck and Kreider netfront. The team is allergic to having traffic in front in any situation.

Panarin needs to shoot less. He can't hit the net to save his life.

 

[Raspewtin]

I think the last few games should be evident that we are witnessing the real time ES declines of Panarin and Zibanejad. Especially defensively. It's not mentioned much but Panarin went from outstanding defensively to one of the worst defensive forwards in the league seemingly overnight. He's lost a lot of his movement ability too. He's much slower and less slippery. I wonder what happened ther. Zibanejad is way better defensively but he's a PP specialist at this point. His acceleration was always better than his speed but his speed at this point is legit below average. Really not ideal that they cost $20M combined to be like this.

Rationalize all you want but the fact is they havent been nearly as good as they were last year on the PP and they are coming up small when the team needs them quite a bit this year. If it's just regression from last year, I can accept the logic of that, but you dont not address an issue because youre chalking it up to regression.

Panarin and Fox need to shoot more, full stop. And the coaching staff (or players) need to adjust and put Trocheck and Kreider netfront. The team is allergic to having traffic in front in any situation.

They're shooting more on the PP than they ever have,

Sometimes there's no good reason the goals aren't going in. Especially on the powerplay.

 

[Avery16]

Trying to remember the last time Brooks actually wrote something inobvious or broke a story.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I'm surprised to read so much praise for Harpur on here and elsewhere.

Guy makes Dan Girardi look like Adam Oates. He is good for single-handedly keeping the puck pinned in the defensive zone 2-3 shifts per game.

Maybe just a low bar for him to clear.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I'm surprised to read so much praise for Harpur on here and elsewhere.

Guy makes Dan Girardi look like Adam Oates. He is good for single-handedly keeping the puck pinned in the defensive zone 2-3 shifts per game.

Maybe just a low bar for him to clear.

This is why I want chychrun. Pair him with fox and then put Lindgren with Schneider

Chychrun is averaging a point per game since his return from injury. He’d also give us someone other then Trouba to play the point on PP2

@duhmetreE

 

[pld459666]

Rationalize all you want but the fact is they havent been nearly as good as they were last year on the PP and they are coming up small when the team needs them quite a bit this year. If it's just regression from last year, I can accept the logic of that, but you dont not address an issue because youre chalking it up to regression.

Panarin and Fox need to shoot more, full stop. And the coaching staff (or players) need to adjust and put Trocheck and Kreider netfront. The team is allergic to having traffic in front in any situation.

This is and has been my issue with this team for years.

They need more guys that LIKE to engage in physical battles not guys that perfer prance their way around the ice.

I hate the soft make up of our top guys.

 

[pld459666]

I think the last few games should be evident that we are witnessing the real time ES declines of Panarin and Zibanejad. Especially defensively. It's not mentioned much but Panarin went from outstanding defensively to one of the worst defensive forwards in the league seemingly overnight. He's lost a lot of his movement ability too. He's much slower and less slippery. I wonder what happened ther. Zibanejad is way better defensively but he's a PP specialist at this point. His acceleration was always better than his speed but his speed at this point is legit below average. Really not ideal that they cost $20M combined to be like this.


They're shooting more on the PP than they ever have,

Sometimes there's no good reason the goals aren't going in. Especially on the powerplay.

This is soo concerning, specifically for Mika in that we still have 7+ years of this guy.

If in fact he IS declining to a PP specialist less than a year into that contract, well that's just disgusting and terrible foresight on Drury's part.

 

[McRanger92]

This is and has been my issue with this team for years.

They need more guys that LIKE to engage in physical battles not guys that perfer prance their way around the ice.

I hate the soft make up of our top guys.

I think the Kids are far more willing to battle down low and in front of the net than the vets are. Good for the future but not so much for the present

 

[pld459666]

I think the Kids are far more willing to battle down low and in front of the net than the vets are. Good for the future but not so much for the present

Problem is that they are being shown the way by our Prancing Ponies.

And with the way GG is jerking around their ice time, they have not been able to gain any traction.

In fairness, the kids have not been good at taking the bull by the horns either, but some trust may go a long way in that regards.

But GG is here to win, not develop. So, there's that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Can we please find someone who can play and stick up for our players as well, i wasn't a fan of how both Perry was last night against Chytil and how Bogosian was manhandling Kravtsov like they knew nobody would do a damn thing about it.

Problem is that they are being shown the way by our Prancing Ponies.

And with the way GG is jerking around their ice time, they have not been able to gain any traction.

In fairness, the kids have not been good at taking the bull by the horns either, but some trust may go a long way in that regards.

But GG is here to win, not develop. So, there's that.

GG's job is contingent on keeping the team winning, and that comes from Sather and Dolan, i dont blame him myself, i blame the other two donkies.

This is soo concerning, specifically for Mika in that we still have 7+ years of this guy.

If in fact he IS declining to a PP specialist less than a year into that contract, well that's just disgusting and terrible foresight on Drury's part.

Or maybe having Goodrow as a winger on the top line is a bad idea.

 

[SA16]

This is why I want chychrun. Pair him with fox and then put Lindgren with Schneider

Chychrun is averaging a point per game since his return from injury. He’d also give us someone other then Trouba to play the point on PP2

@duhmetreE

Chychrun doesn't play the point on the PP in ARI. He's the shooter like Zibanejad. Gostisbehere plays the point. He also has horrible results on the PP in his career probably because, like Trouba, he shoots way too often (when he is on the point and not in the circle).

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think the last few games should be evident that we are witnessing the real time ES declines of Panarin and Zibanejad. Especially defensively. It's not mentioned much but Panarin went from outstanding defensively to one of the worst defensive forwards in the league seemingly overnight. He's lost a lot of his movement ability too. He's much slower and less slippery. I wonder what happened ther. Zibanejad is way better defensively but he's a PP specialist at this point. His acceleration was always better than his speed but his speed at this point is legit below average. Really not ideal that they cost $20M combined to be like this.


They're shooting more on the PP than they ever have,

Sometimes there's no good reason the goals aren't going in. Especially on the powerplay.

It's sad to see Panarin's physical skills declined so quickly, that's why he has to force so many passes now that get picked off. He used to skate and create open lanes for himself but now he's often flatfooted and throwing hope passes to nobody. One thing I will mention though is that while in the offensive zone he misses having a RD that is extremely active in jumping down the weak side looking for that seam pass. He and ADA had incredible timing with that but ever since he left that threat hasn't been there for Panarin to exploit. Zibanejad's problem is he's really just a straight line player, he's not the most deft on his edges, he doesn't cut into holes, he doesn't really stickhandle around defenders. Ideally he is going to find soft spots on the ice when the team is setup and shoot the puck. That's fine when you have two other players who can cycle and hold onto pucks and then find Zibanejad for the shot, but that's not happening as often.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

It's sad to see Panarin's physical skills declined so quickly, that's why he has to force so many passes now that get picked off. He used to skate and create open lanes for himself but now he's often flatfooted and throwing hope passes to nobody. One thing I will mention though is that while in the offensive zone he misses having a RD that is extremely active in jumping down the weak side looking for that seam pass. He and ADA had incredible timing with that but ever since he left that threat hasn't been there for Panarin to exploit. Zibanejad's problem is he's really just a straight line player, he's not the most deft on his edges, he doesn't cut into holes, he doesn't really stickhandle around defenders. Ideally he is going to find soft spots on the ice when the team is setup and shoot the puck. That's fine when you have two other players who can cycle and hold onto pucks and then find Zibanejad for the shot, but that's not happening as often.

One day it will come out what exactly happened to him after the Tom Wilson incident. I forget which poster alluded to it but Panarin had a chronic injury after that game. Not concussion. For all we know he's opting to get surgery after his playing career is done.

That doesn't mean he can't backcheck. That was a beautiful play he made in the third period yesterday. He can do more of that.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Harpur has been a serviceable third pair guy. Much better than I thought.

Ok I know I usually complain about a few common things here but time to bring up my grievance with that doofus skills coach Mark Ciaccio again.

The team is shooting wide consistently and Laf is scratched? Shouldn't this guy be on both? Work on skills and drills to get the players back to hitting the net? Spend time with Laf on video and drills?

What does this guy actually do? Any of us who have lifted weights can show some amateurs basic form. Does it make us certified trainers and health professionals? Hell no.

I'm not saying can the guy but I really hope Drury is evaluating this issue and addresses it over the summer (bring in another co-skills coach or get this guy some help).

 

[Profet]

Team is once again outside of playoff position and looking in.

This scares me as I think Drury will make a hasty decision soon.

 

[n8]

I'm surprised to read so much praise for Harpur on here and elsewhere.

Guy makes Dan Girardi look like Adam Oates. He is good for single-handedly keeping the puck pinned in the defensive zone 2-3 shifts per game.

Maybe just a low bar for him to clear.

Harpur also makes a lot of bone headed dump ins with no support and takes weak unscreened shots at the net that kill our attack flow.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Team is once again outside of playoff position and looking in.

This scares me as I think Drury will make a hasty decision soon.

Barely and there's a long way to go.

They'll go on another winning streak soon, maybe as soon as Sunday.

All they have to do is be good enough this year to qualify. It's a six team race for five spots (both WCs are coming out of the Metropolitan Division this year).

I expected regression this season because of cap and not enough depth. It doesn't matter if they win the division or take either WC, the East is much tougher this year. Metro you need to go through Pittsburgh and Carolina with presumably healthy goalies, and pain in the ass 2/3 of Islanders/Washington/Devils.

Atlantic a WC gets you a date with the Bruins, and then if you survive most likely Tampa.

This is not last year where it was two good teams with backup goalies.

The right move is to keep the firsts, upgrade the 3rd pair D (Kulikov or Maata), and add a Derek Grant or someone like a Motte.

I can see O'Reily ending up on Boston.