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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off that Kreider or Zibanejad weren't named captain

Oscar Lindberg said:
And saying he’s better than Hajek isn’t a high bar to clear. You or I could be better than Hajek lmao
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Hajek's been solid this season, whether we would like to admit it or not. His ceiling is a 3rd pair guy, but I think he's proven he belongs in the NHL.
 
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McRanger92 said:
He has got to be on the same trajectory as Schneider, especially considering he's a few months older
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I think his upside is below Schneider's but I'm surprised he hasn't yet gotten a trial run on the 3rd pair.
 
IDvsEGO said:
The owners and GM’s want the cap to go up next year as well.
This isn’t a “it only benefits the players” argument.
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Bettman makes these decisions. The owners also want an expanded playoff format. More playoff teams. More revenue. Bettman wants no part of it. The NHL asked the NHLPA to make a deal before the shortened 2021 season. The NHLPA said no. The players got paid all of their money for a 56 game season. The players owed $1B to the owners. Now the players want to make a deal? They should have made a deal two years ago.

Instead of the cap increasing by $1M next summer, it will increase by $3M. What will Bettman want in return for an extra $2M increase?

The PA had their opportunity to make a deal two years ago.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Bettman makes these decisions. The owners also want an expanded playoff format. More playoff teams. More revenue. Bettman wants no part of it. The NHL asked the NHLPA to make a deal before the shortened 2021 season. The NHLPA said no. The players got paid all of their money for a 56 game season. The players owed $1B to the owners. Now the players want to make a deal? They should have made a deal two years ago.

Instead of the cap increasing by $1M next summer, it will increase by $3M. What will Bettman want in return for an extra $2M increase?

The PA had their opportunity to make a deal two years ago.
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Bettman’s boss is the owners. He’s their hatchet man, but he does answer to them.
 
Owners do not want the cap to go up. Paying players more money means less profit. That is an odd argument to make. GMs want the cap to go up.

If you can keep your employees from making more money, while you continue to profit more and more from the product they provide, why would you want to change that?

Also, I am not sure revenue is shared 50/50. I do not believe the players get a cut of certain streams. I can not say which streams those are for sure, but here is a good quote that is at the heart of the issue:

"'Hockey-related revenue' is a term that encompasses direct or indirect ways the league earns money. This can include ticket sales, concessions and merchandise sales, broadcasting agreements, sponsorships, and parking.

Income from interest, relocation or sale of an existing team, or loans do not count as hockey-related revenue."

"Hockey-related revenue" is the weak point. It has been suggested that it is easy to consider something not "hockey-related" and the players are not happy about that.
 
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MrAlmost said:
Owners do not want the cap to go up. Paying players more money means less profit. That is an odd argument to make. GMs want the cap to go up.

If you can keep your employees from making more money, while you continue to profit more and more from the product they provide, why would you want to change that?

Also, I am not sure revenue is shared 50/50. I do not believe the players get a cut of certain streams. I can not say which streams those are for sure, but here is a good quote that is at the heart of the issue:

"'Hockey-related revenue' is a term that encompasses direct or indirect ways the league earns money. This can include ticket sales, concessions and merchandise sales, broadcasting agreements, sponsorships, and parking.

Income from interest, relocation or sale of an existing team, or loans do not count as hockey-related revenue."

"Hockey-related revenue" is the weak point. It has been suggested that it is easy to consider something not "hockey-related" and the players are not happy about that.
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Well the players were involved in what is considered HRR so if they aren't happy that certain things aren't included then they should have negotiated better.
 
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Gospel of Prospal said:
The more I think about it, the more it pisses me off that Kreider or Zibanejad weren't named captain



Hajek's been solid this season, whether we would like to admit it or not. His ceiling is a 3rd pair guy, but I think he's proven he belongs in the NHL.
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Trouba hasnt played well, but that seems largely a function of his injury. As a leader it seems like the team is responding to him (and quite frankly if Kreider wanted the C he would’ve had it by now)

Hajek is one of the worst defensemen in the league. Like Jack Johnson level. After his first couple games (which were surprisingly mediocre), he’s been awful since.

pld459666 said:
Would Arizona part with Crouse AND retain 50%?

VK, Lower of the two 1sts this draft coming and a 2nd in 2024.
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That’s more than I would give up, but it’s not *bad* like some of the other proposals I have seen recently
 
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RangerBoy said:
Bettman makes these decisions. The owners also want an expanded playoff format. More playoff teams. More revenue. Bettman wants no part of it. The NHL asked the NHLPA to make a deal before the shortened 2021 season. The NHLPA said no. The players got paid all of their money for a 56 game season. The players owed $1B to the owners. Now the players want to make a deal? They should have made a deal two years ago.

Instead of the cap increasing by $1M next summer, it will increase by $3M. What will Bettman want in return for an extra $2M increase?

The PA had their opportunity to make a deal two years ago.
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After owing over $1B, $70m seems pretty trivial. I don't know what Bettman would ask in return for the cap going up sooner since this is a different inflationary / cost of borrowing environment it seems a repayment of let's say $77m (still pretty trivial) instead of $70m would be a proper thing to offer or ask.
 
pld459666 said:
Would Arizona part with Crouse AND retain 50%?

VK, Lower of the two 1sts this draft coming and a 2nd in 2024.
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I would love Crouse but can he play RW or is he just a LW? He would give the Rangers some skilled grit for the playoffs. He is a power winger. What was the Panthers thinking?
 
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Gostisbehere is the guy I would like to add on defense if he comes with a price tag that's not insane. I expect he will cost a bit more than wanted though which is unfortunate. He's having a really good year.

Looking over the rental market there isn't much out there in terms of LD. Gavrikov, Oesterle, Kulikov, Holden, Mikkola. All would be upgrades over what we have but none of them are particularly appealing at all.
 
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pld459666 said:
Would Arizona part with Crouse AND retain 50%?

VK, Lower of the two 1sts this draft coming and a 2nd in 2024.
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Why would any team sign a player to a 5 year deal and then retain 50% on the contract for the last 4 of those years? It's not happening. Arizona already has 3 2nds in 2024 and 4 more in 2025. Given Kravtsov's history, I doubt that's something Arizona would want to take a chance on.
 
If they're just aiming for upgrading 3LD, they can inquire on guys like Matt Irwin and Nick Seeler. They're not flashy or sexy names, but they're good depth dmen that will be cheap and serve their role well. I don't see any reason why PHI or WSH would want to hold onto them for the entire year anyways, and if they both like their respective cities, they can always just re-sign in the offseason like Braun did with PHI.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Bettman’s boss is the owners. He’s their hatchet man, but he does answer to them.
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Has Bettman steered them wrong? No. They have won every labor battle with the players. This topic was discussed on 32T. The podcast was released a few hours ago. Elliotte Friedman said Bettman doesn't like an expanded playoff format and agreeing to negotiate the cap increase. Teams want those things but Bettman is not crazy about it. Bettman protects the owners and he wants the debt repaid by the players before the cap increases. If it does happen, it will be on Bettman's terms.
 
GAGLine said:
Why would any team sign a player to a 5 year deal and then retain 50% on the contract for the last 4 of those years? It's not happening. Arizona already has 3 2nds in 2024 and 4 more in 2025. Given Kravtsov's history, I doubt that's something Arizona would want to take a chance on.
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GMs do some very stupid things. Lol

UnSandvich said:
Trouba hasnt played well, but that seems largely a function of his injury. As a leader it seems like the team is responding to him (and quite frankly if Kreider wanted the C he would’ve had it by now)

Hajek is one of the worst defensemen in the league. Like Jack Johnson level. After his first couple games (which were surprisingly mediocre), he’s been awful since.


That’s more than I would give up, but it’s not *bad* like some of the other proposals I have seen recently
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I went a tad bit overboard for the retention
 
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That stuff coming out from Gallant is pure comedy... Just admit that you don't know. We don't know either. 1 night we love Laf-Zib-Kakko, the next night we love the kid line. And hate them in between.

Speaking of the kid line:
 
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