Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Mac n Gs]

Multiply it by 2.

Seriously, these adds are f***ing pure fiction/fantasy/dreamland shit. Honestly. I don't know how else to put it. The cap is likely, according to Bettman, going up 1M next year. How the hell are we adding anyone that has term beyond this year? We CAN'T. Period.

I don't think that $1M figure is fully locked into place yet, but knowing Bettman, it's going to be a painfully drawn out process where they'll ultimately compromise somewhere in the $2M-3M range.

The numbers still seem super sketchy with how much money the league is generating right now, but hopefully the NHLPA doesn't botch this somehow. It's for the best interest of the league to break this cap hell now. It's honestly embarrassing.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

**ventures to the main boards**

**reads that Adam Fox is the most overrated player in the league**

**remembers to never go to the main boards**

Pretty weird take since he's A) Not overrated and B) Even if he is, he's not even close to being the most overrated player on the Rangers, much less the entire league.

 

[haohmaru]

The numbers still seem super sketchy with how much money the league is generating right now, but hopefully the NHLPA doesn't botch this somehow. It's for the best interest of the league to break this cap hell now. It's honestly embarrassing.

The owners paid an entire season of salaries in a gate driven league where there wasn't a gate for a year. I mean, whatever that number is it's a huge number - probably approaching 2 billion dollars. That's a lot to make up for and, obviously, it has taken years.

I mean, I get the pro player perspective, but you also have to acknowledge that the players don't take any of the risks associated with running a business. If an owner loses money on the team, the players aren't assuming any of that risk and certainly aren't contributing to make up for losses.

Honestly, it should be a luxury tax cap. Let the big teams spend a percentage above the cap and let the revenue trickle down to the Arizonas of the world so their teams can be more competitive.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The owners paid an entire season of salaries in a gate driven league where there wasn't a gate for a year. I mean, whatever that number is it's a huge number - probably approaching 2 billion dollars. That's a lot to make up for and, obviously, it has taken years.

I mean, I get the pro player perspective, but you also have to acknowledge that the players don't take any of the risks associated with running a business. If an owner loses money on the team, the players aren't assuming any of that risk and certainly aren't contributing to make up for losses.

Honestly, it should be a luxury tax cap. Let the big teams spend a percentage above the cap and let the revenue trickle down to the Arizonas of the world so their teams can be more competitive.

That argument doesn’t hold water when they’re the only professional sport who had their players pay back shit.
Every other major sport had to operate under the same restrictions but yet managed to not charge players.
I’d also be amazed if the owners didn’t have insurance that also paid out for this. Likely double dipping.

 

[Crease]

The NHL and the teams sued their insurance carriers for business interruption coverage. Their claims were denied. They are claiming $1 billion in losses. Even if they win on coverage, the maximum recovery under the policies is well under $1 billion and probably closer to low 9 figures.

Can’t speak to other leagues, but the NHL has a unique revenue sharing system with the players. Owners get 50%. Players get 50%. During covid, revenue came in $1 billion short of estimates. Yet player salaries did not go down a penny. The owners could smooth out the players’ debt over more years. They will probably negotiate that.

 

[haohmaru]

That argument doesn’t hold water when they’re the only professional sport who had their players pay back shit.
Every other major sport had to operate under the same restrictions but yet managed to not charge players.
I’d also be amazed if the owners didn’t have insurance that also paid out for this. Likely double dipping.

Other sports aren't nearly as gate driven as the NHL. All of the other major sports make A LOT more money than the NHL does. You're comparing apples to oranges. The big 3 doesn't include the NHL for a reason.

The NHL and the NHLPA are in a revenue partnership. When the revenue flatlined during the pandemic the PARTNERS came up with this solution. The owners don't just assume the losses because you think they should - that's not what was agreed to.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Bullshit. There were a lot more crying then. At least some folks now are able to recognize that kids are getting prime ES minutes and can’t get on PP1 because it works in its current structure.

I disagree but I'm not gonna argue over memory. And yes that current structure worked so well in the 3 weeks they went from top 5 to top 20. Worked so well it probably cost us a few games.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

The owners paid an entire season of salaries in a gate driven league where there wasn't a gate for a year. I mean, whatever that number is it's a huge number - probably approaching 2 billion dollars. That's a lot to make up for and, obviously, it has taken years.

I mean, I get the pro player perspective, but you also have to acknowledge that the players don't take any of the risks associated with running a business. If an owner loses money on the team, the players aren't assuming any of that risk and certainly aren't contributing to make up for losses.

Honestly, it should be a luxury tax cap. Let the big teams spend a percentage above the cap and let the revenue trickle down to the Arizonas of the world so their teams can be more competitive.

The danger of revenue sharing is the low revenue team putting that money into their pockets. (see Pirates, Pittsburgh; and they get a lot more revenue sharing money than any NHL team would) That won't make them more competitive.

 

[Taluss]

Remember being worried about this 5 game stretch? (Yes I was too)

Yeah about that…

LFG RANGERS!

Safe to say Gallant keeps his job for a while. Maybe we can consider some solid pieces at tdl if this keeps up

 

[mas0764]

Remember being worried about this 5 game stretch? (Yes I was too)

Yeah about that…

LFG RANGERS!

Safe to say Gallant keeps his job for a while. Maybe we can consider some solid pieces at tdl if this keeps up

No rentals.

 

[Guyute]

That dude Harper was pretty solid tonight.

 

[bbny]

Edge seems long gone from here, however...Prior to his departure, the one guy that seemed to mention in trade talks in the Roster Building thread is a pending UFA. Per Edge that was the guy they coveted most. No room for him now, but wonder if the Org could have done things differently to obtain him?


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There's room, but I doubt anyone would want to make the required sacrifice for it to happen.

 

[QJL]

If Chytil was playing in Panarin’s spot, he would be a point per game player. It’s simply power play depth that is keeping Fil from costing $6M-$7M next season.

 

[RangerBoy]

The owners paid an entire season of salaries in a gate driven league where there wasn't a gate for a year. I mean, whatever that number is it's a huge number - probably approaching 2 billion dollars. That's a lot to make up for and, obviously, it has taken years.

I mean, I get the pro player perspective, but you also have to acknowledge that the players don't take any of the risks associated with running a business. If an owner loses money on the team, the players aren't assuming any of that risk and certainly aren't contributing to make up for losses.

Honestly, it should be a luxury tax cap. Let the big teams spend a percentage above the cap and let the revenue trickle down to the Arizonas of the world so their teams can be more competitive.

Bettman will want something in return for increasing the cap without the players having paid off their escrow balance. Just wait another season and the cap increase takes place in 2024.

Remember being worried about this 5 game stretch? (Yes I was too)

Yeah about that…

LFG RANGERS!

Safe to say Gallant keeps his job for a while. Maybe we can consider some solid pieces at tdl if this keeps up

You liked the way the Rangers played last night?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I am hoping that it becomes a habit in giving PP1 the first minute and if theres a whistle or no goal scored, the second unit jumps over the boards for the entire remainder - and not be shy about keeping Fox out there with them.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

I am hoping that it becomes a habit in giving PP1 the first minute and if theres a whistle or no goal scored, the second unit jumps over the boards for the entire remainder - and not be shy about keeping Fox out there with them.

Trouba still being out there just shows this coaching staff is completely lost. It's so obvious that Fox has to stay there. There is no reason for this not to happen.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Trouba still being out there just shows this coaching staff is completely lost. It's so obvious that Fox has to stay there. There is no reason for this not to happen.

Hes a Norris winner for chrisssake. And likely to be a finalist this season as well. He doesnt expend much energy working the PP anyway, I agree.

Coaches will change lines during a game like a traffic light but they become so rigid with PP units. I never understood that. I know you practice with the units but you practice 5 on 5 and defensive coverages with the forward lines as well.

And even if its a slightly altered game plan with the different PP personnel, Fox is f***ing Fox and he can adapt to octopuses raining down from the stands during live play.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

The owners paid an entire season of salaries in a gate driven league where there wasn't a gate for a year. I mean, whatever that number is it's a huge number - probably approaching 2 billion dollars. That's a lot to make up for and, obviously, it has taken years.

I mean, I get the pro player perspective, but you also have to acknowledge that the players don't take any of the risks associated with running a business. If an owner loses money on the team, the players aren't assuming any of that risk and certainly aren't contributing to make up for losses.

Honestly, it should be a luxury tax cap. Let the big teams spend a percentage above the cap and let the revenue trickle down to the Arizonas of the world so their teams can be more competitive.

How are the players personal injury risks mitigated by the owners? Serious question. IE - player has an ACL tear in a contract year. The players may not take on business risk, but they have risks of their own that I would imagine the owners couldn't care less about. Also - if the gate for a given team is BETTER than expected, do the players get a cut of that? Should go both ways if the players are to pay back the owners for lost revenue. Lastly - the owners make most of their money from valuation and equity in their teams. Gate is just cash flow and a team might strive to break even or make a small profit. Do players get a cut of equity in the team? If a team wins the Stanley cup that team is worth a lot more money in the wake of it. All done by the players and the owner gets the benefit.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don’t give a f*** about the owners and their pockets

Expand the salary cap so the sport continues to grow, not this stagnated cap BS

 

[haohmaru]

How are the players personal injury risks mitigated by the owners? Serious question. IE - player has an ACL tear in a contract year. The players may not take on business risk, but they have risks of their own that I would imagine the owners couldn't care less about. Also - if the gate for a given team is BETTER than expected, do the players get a cut of that? Should go both ways if the players are to pay back the owners for lost revenue. Lastly - the owners make most of their money from valuation and equity in their teams. Gate is just cash flow and a team might strive to break even or make a small profit. Do players get a cut of equity in the team? If a team wins the Stanley cup that team is worth a lot more money in the wake of it. All done by the players and the owner gets the benefit.

Personal injury - contracts are insured so a career ending injury is covered

Revenue is shared - including playoff revenue, 50/50. Nobody is lining pockets with secret money. Also, if a team like the Coyotes is losing money do the players suffer and have to foot the bill to cover the loss? No. There is acknowledged and different risks on both sides. But, keep in mind that both sides agreed to this CBA so painting one or the other as evil is kind of moronic. Both sides are doing as much as they can to make the agreement better for their side. The players aren’t innocent victims here.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Bettman will want something in return for increasing the cap without the players having paid off their escrow balance. Just wait another season and the cap increase takes place in 2024.


You liked the way the Rangers played last night?

The owners and GM’s want the cap to go up next year as well.
This isn’t a “it only benefits the players” argument.

 

[McRanger92]

It seems like its going to be a pretty light year on the trade market for defenseman, which hurts the Rangers. They have plenty of forwards (i still expect a Motte type to add more speed to the bottom 6), but adding another good defenseman to their 6 is a must, and im talking about someone better than Justin Braun.

Harpur should get these 4 games before the Xmas break, then i think we need to see what we have in Matt Robertson for a couple months before the deadline, like Schneider last year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It seems like its going to be a pretty light year on the trade market for defenseman, which hurts the Rangers. They have plenty of forwards (i still expect a Motte type to add more speed to the bottom 6), but adding another good defenseman to their 6 is a must, and im talking about someone better than Justin Braun.

Harpur should get these 4 games before the Xmas break, then i think we need to see what we have in Matt Robertson for a couple months before the deadline, like Schneider last year.

There was a tweet about Robertson that had a scout saying he’s an nhl player already and better than hajek

 

[McRanger92]

There was a tweet about Robertson that had a scout saying he’s an nhl player already and better than hajek

He has got to be on the same trajectory as Schneider, especially considering he's a few months older

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

There was a tweet about Robertson that had a scout saying he’s an nhl player already and better than hajek

His play in the preseason did not suggest an NHL player

And saying he’s better than Hajek isn’t a high bar to clear. You or I could be better than Hajek lmao