Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[GoAwayPanarin]

We see mostly highlights of our former players after they move on. We watch almost every minute of every game when it comes to our own players.

It's sampling bias.

I peeped the numbers because I was curious. He's legitimately been better in Minnesota.

That probably won't keep up as he isn't going to magically find his 30 year old legs and we've already seen him wear down over the course of a long season but what ever sparked his desire to actually be half decent through 10 games in Minnesota wasn't here. Don't know if it was complacency, growing tired of Artemi's country club or what ever, but it was a thing.

 

[DanielBrassard]

He's been horrific, everyone is speculating about a hand or wrist injury but I hope he has a torn groin or something because the guy has zero mobility. Never the most nimble on his feet but this year has been worse than ever.

 

[Ruggs225]

So they're not horrible reads then are they? If he can get away with it, he can get away with it. Its why he applies pressure so high up the ice and its what makes him effective.

Lindgren doesn't carry ANY of the transition responsibilities on his pair. Literally has the LOWEST attempt rate on the team because he has Fox carry nearly all of the load there. He's made plenty of mistakes this year too but I guess they're not as big of a deal bc he hits people. Again I think Lindgren has been better this season than he was last year, but the narrative would be MUCH different if he were tasked with playing with Trouba instead of Fox.

Miller has been better and it really hasn't been that close. I don't really see a "tail off" in his play this year. His partner has been bad, hes been mostly good (and pretty terrific of late.)

Yes they are still horrible reads and he doesnt always get away with it.

If u dont notice his drop in play compared to last year thats on you. Last year Miller was playing great, this year not nearly as much. Even his rushes usually end up on the oppositions stick. He has been fighting it all year.

Lindgren isnt flashy and wont get u offense, but he is miles ahead of miller defensively and is much less prone to letting up the big play.

Again, i think u are confusing actual play to potential. Potential wise, miller blows lindgren put of the water. He does so in flashiness too. He does not in consistency at all.

Right now Lindgren is better. And fox plays better with lindgren at his side than without. Not that Fox wouldnt be amazing without Lindgren, but he always play his best when paired with Lindy. Lindgren is a steadying presence on any unit he is put on. Miller is not.

He's been horrific, everyone is speculating about a hand or wrist injury but I hope he has a torn groin or something because the guy has zero mobility. Never the most nimble on his feet but this year has been worse than ever.

Yeah its shocking how bad he has been. But i blame gallant for not having the nuts to tell trouba to sit a game or two or more to heal. Its for the betterment of everyone.

But gallant likes to let his vets run everything.

 

[Ruggs225]

One thing i noticed about this franchise the last couple years is that we are lucky with injuries. Like we really havent had much at all.

But when i think about it, is it actually lucky for all our stars to stay healthy for basically all 82 games, or do u actually need some injuries.

The reason i ask this is injuries force “lesser” players to take on bigger roles and responsibilities, thus giving them more experience. It also usually results in call ups which could give those players some experience and playing the system.

I look at teams like Pitt and Col who seem to always have tons of major injuries and just cant help but wonder if it actually helps them as a team in the PO’s (assuming their stars are back healthy)

Like once the Avs get back to health late this year will all that extra ice time to younger players make them that much better come playoffs?

Like would the rangers be better off if panarin and kreider had to sit for a month forcing more time to laff, kakko and krav?

Im not hoping for injuries, more just food for thought with how little injuries we have had to overcome compared to some other top teams.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yes they are still horrible reads and he doesnt always get away with it.

If u dont notice his drop in play compared to last year thats on you. Last year Miller was playing great, this year not nearly as much. Even his rushes usually end up on the oppositions stick. He has been fighting it all year.

Lindgren isnt flashy and wont get u offense, but he is miles ahead of miller defensively and is much less prone to letting up the big play.

Again, i think u are confusing actual play to potential. Potential wise, miller blows lindgren put of the water. He does so in flashiness too. He does not in consistency at all.

Right now Lindgren is better. And fox plays better with lindgren at his side than without. Not that Fox wouldnt be amazing without Lindgren, but he always play his best when paired with Lindy. Lindgren is a steadying presence on any unit he is put on. Miller is not.


Yeah its shocking how bad he has been. But i blame gallant for not having the nuts to tell trouba to sit a game or two or more to heal. Its for the betterment of everyone.

But gallant likes to let his vets run everything.

I think the issue is 100% on Trouba.

KAM will be inconsistent until he fully matures/develops. He had a rock to lean on before, specifically last season. Trouba has not been an NHL defender.

KAM has been essentially dragging around a Tinordi all season. Is it a coincidence he looked much better with Fox and Schneider?

Lindgren is a solid defenseman. As Girardi was. Fox and McDonagh elevated them to another possible tier.

That's why I'd like Chychrun. He'd be our best LHD and 2nd to only Fox. You need offensive defenseman for modern day NHL. If you're attacking with 3, you will be hard pressed to score.

 

[SA16]

So Reaves, great leader and locker room guy, just quit on the team because he wanted out? Sounds like a real great influence on the younger players.

 

[duhmetreE]

So Reaves, great leader and locker room guy, just quit on the team because he wanted out? Sounds like a real great influence on the younger players.

You might be the biggest, driest, most passive aggressive contrarian that ever walked the earth

 

[Taluss]

Lindgren Fox
Chychrun Trouba
KAM Schneider

best d group in the league.

Do it.

Love it.

What do we have to do cap wise to make this happen moving forward?

 

[MrAlmost]

We see mostly highlights of our former players after they move on. We watch almost every minute of every game when it comes to our own players.

It's sampling bias.

Fair point. I have only watched 1 Wild game since Reaves was traded so that could make sense.

 

[kovazub94]

My last paragraph addresses that. The majority now was the few then. Don’t lump us all into one group.

Bullshit. There were a lot more crying then. At least some folks now are able to recognize that kids are getting prime ES minutes and can’t get on PP1 because it works in its current structure.

 

[duhmetreE]

Love it.

What do we have to do cap wise to make this happen moving forward?

It'll barely fit next year w/ Chytil @ 4.5, KAM at 3M and Laffy @ 2.3

then a bunch of kids/bargain bin 750k-900k filling the rest of the spots

 

[Guyute]

**ventures to the main boards**

**reads that Adam Fox is the most overrated player in the league**

**remembers to never go to the main boards**

 

[duhmetreE]

**ventures to the main boards**

**reads that Adam Fox is the most overrated player in the league**

**remembers to never go to the main boards**

was it started by a New Jersey fan? Or Colorado? possibly a piles fan

 

[Guyute]

was it started by a New Jersey fan? Or Colorado? possibly a piles fan

I didn't bother to check and I'd rather not go back to find out

 

[Taluss]

**ventures to the main boards**

**reads that Adam Fox is the most overrated player in the league**

**remembers to never go to the main boards**

Now that your adventure over there was so fun, why don’t ya go venture over to the main board laf thread and try to stick up for him?

Great times

 

[BBKers]

Pretty juiced up. Do not give me any ideas

 

[Lion Hound]

I don't know, he basically had to be dragged into a fight here imo, he seems more willing to go the extra mile now.

He had 2 fights in 12 Games this season for the Rangers. Another with MN in 10 games. That's more then enough for the role.

The reality of it is he doesn't have many opponents looking for it. Also doesn't want to put them down a man. As a new age enforcer he was as good as your going to get. But...whats done is done.

Jeezus! Thats not what you want from the $8 Million Dollar Man!

 

[Lion Hound]

Edge seems long gone from here, however...Prior to his departure, the one guy that seemed to mention in trade talks in the Roster Building thread is a pending UFA. Per Edge that was the guy they coveted most. No room for him now, but wonder if the Org could have done things differently to obtain him?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Edge seems long gone from here, however...Prior to his departure, the one guy that seemed to mention in trade talks in the Roster Building thread is a pending UFA. Per Edge that was the guy they coveted most. No room for him now, but wonder if the Org could have done things differently to obtain him?


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Horrifying to imagine what Stevie Y would have taken from us in a deal like that. Granted, he would be phenomenal on this Rangers team.

 

[Lion Hound]

Langdon wiped the ice with him .

He was as tough as they come. Might have been Grimson that said, it's scary to fight a guy who can take whatever you throw at him and just keep coming at you.

Horrifying to imagine what Stevie Y would have taken from us in a deal like that. Granted, he would be phenomenal on this Rangers team.

No doubt. Tough to win any trades with that guy.

 

[Taluss]

Horrifying to imagine what Stevie Y would have taken from us in a deal like that. Granted, he would be phenomenal on this Rangers team.

Don’t take my word for it but I could swear that back at the time I read stuff on here about them liking Lundkvist and Krav.

I could be wrong but I’m pretty certain I remember reading that a few times

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Don’t take my word for it but I could swear that back at the time I read stuff on here about them liking Lundkvist and Krav.

I could be wrong but I’m pretty certain I remember reading that a few times

 

[haohmaru]

Love it.

What do we have to do cap wise to make this happen moving forward?

Multiply it by 2.

Seriously, these adds are f***ing pure fiction/fantasy/dreamland shit. Honestly. I don't know how else to put it. The cap is likely, according to Bettman, going up 1M next year. How the hell are we adding anyone that has term beyond this year? We CAN'T. Period.

 

[UnSandvich]

**ventures to the main boards**

**reads that Adam Fox is the most overrated player in the league**

**remembers to never go to the main boards**

i have a sick curiosity as to what this person is trying to use to justify that take

 

[haohmaru]

It'll barely fit next year w/ Chytil @ 4.5, KAM at 3M and Laffy @ 2.3

then a bunch of kids/bargain bin 750k-900k filling the rest of the spots

KAM is looking like 4+
Chytil without injuries on a 52 point pace. Not sure 4.5M gets that done and he has arbitration rights. Honestly, this might be Buchnevich 2.0. Not sure we can afford him as sad as that shit is.
LaF bridged unless he gets on fire then all bets are off.
Kravtsov is likely gone with arbitration rights
Gauthier
Hajek gone

Cap Space 17M

7 forwards (that includes Brodzinski)
4 Defensmen
1 Goalie

8-9 players to sign. We cannot make Chychrun work even with 50% retained. I don't see it unless a major NMC is moved out of here.