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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
If Eichel is going to be a no go for us, who else do we think that we're going to pursue? I'm curious who could possibly be had in a trade aside from him.

This is a weird offseason with the flat cap and coming off a covid year and also the fact that NHL GMs are notoriously risk averse to begin with. Very curious to see who we target and who will even be available.

People talk about Barkov but there's an extremely miniscule chance he leaves Florida. I don't even know who else would be available for us to target.

We're going to be interested in a top 6 center, top 4 LD and some grit, yeah?
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Larkin and Lindholm come on down
 
Rangerboy030 said:
A bit nutty, but on the topic of acquiring elite Cs (who also have recent serious injury issues), how about throwing Pettersson an offer sheet?
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With the number of RFA players the Rangers will have in the next few years I doubt you see them firing the first shot in an offer sheet war.
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
If Eichel is going to be a no go for us, who else do we think that we're going to pursue? I'm curious who could possibly be had in a trade aside from him.

This is a weird offseason with the flat cap and coming off a covid year and also the fact that NHL GMs are notoriously risk averse to begin with. Very curious to see who we target and who will even be available.

People talk about Barkov but there's an extremely miniscule chance he leaves Florida. I don't even know who else would be available for us to target.

We're going to be interested in a top 6 center, top 4 LD and some grit, yeah?
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I'd say thats fair.

I'd wait to see how the playoffs play out. Someone will disappoint and look to shake things up, someone will go further than expected and think they're further along than they actually are (Minnesota) so there will be teams ripe to be ripped off.
 
My gut tells me this is going to be a buying year. They could use a cheap veteran who could play up and down the lineup. The guy doesn't need to be able to play PP, but they could use a veteran who has been around who you can trust when games get rough or when you need to protect a lead late in a game. Someone like Ian Cole who has been around the block, played on a Cup winner, the guy plays both sides, isn't going to cost you a fortune, and if the kids progress better than expected, he's going to be an easy guy to move. If we don't trade our first for someone who fits this bill, I would probably trade down assuming we don't win the lotto again, and go off board for guys who bring the old school game as the pendulum looks like it could be coming back the other way now.
Edit: Also, Brian Boyle is a guy I would look at too. He's a solid citizen who brings good size and isn't an automatic loss in the faceoff dot. Always shows up in the postseason too. Another guy that you don't have to lose sleep over if he doesn't play every night and could almost function as a player/coach. If he needs a bigger role, another guy you can definitely find a market for at the deadline.
 
Kovalev27 said:
Gotta tell you reading more about Eichel’s neck injury we’d be nuts to trade for this kid. This is a serious serious injury that surgery doesn’t guarantee will get him back to 100%.

Even if Buffalo said hey a first round pick is all we want I still think we’d be nuts taking a 10 mil cap hit for a guy who we don’t know will ever be the same and it’s not just the neck

he was battling thru a core injury as well. A high ankle sprain a broken rib. I mean he’s beat up
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Agreed,

I posted this link before, not sure how many people read it, yet I think it lays it out pretty well.

Jack Eichel’s Neck Surgery & Recovery

The anterior cervical discectomy with fusion is a procedure in which a surgeon enters the neck anteriorly, near the throat, to remove the herniated disc and fuse the vertebrae that were above and below where the disc was removed. The surgeon fuses this together using a piece of extracted hip bone to create a bony spacer where the disc was prior. The surgeon then places a plate over the front that connects the two vertebrae together to create the fusion.
This reduces the pressure on the cervical nerves, leading to long-term stability. These outcomes are overall very positive with 80 percent of players that have this procedure return to play with no discernible change in the quality of play. Most return to play within 9 months, though this was between a variety of professional sports. Hockey players can return sooner with research indicating that a player in the study returned in 6.7 months, though there is not widespread research regarding the normative values to return in hockey specifically. General rehab protocols allow return to sport at 6+ months, but that timeline could vary based on the doctor and recovery process.
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So 80% the spinal fusion works and there is no discernible change in quality of play.

And Eichel is apparently saying he does not want that, he wants

There are other possibilities including a discectomy or artificial disc replacement, but discectomies have a chance to re-herniate later on. As for the artificial disc, there are instances where professional athletes have had the procedure, but I am not certain that this is a widespread intervention for athletes at that level. I have also not found research to support that this is superior to the more common anterior cervical discectomy with fusion.
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Chance to herniate again, and no real data to say how successful it can be.
 
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Off Sides said:
Agreed,

I posted this link before, not sure how many people read it, yet I think it lays it out pretty well.

Jack Eichel’s Neck Surgery & Recovery




So 80% the spinal fusion works and there is no discernible change in quality of play.

And Eichel is apparently saying he does not want that, he wants



Chance to herniate again, and no real data to say how successful it can be.
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Someone mentioned Letang having similar surgery?

Pass awl day.
 
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SML2 said:
My gut tells me this is going to be a buying year. They could use a cheap veteran who could play up and down the lineup. The guy doesn't need to be able to play PP, but they could use a veteran who has been around who you can trust when games get rough or when you need to protect a lead late in a game. Someone like Ian Cole who has been around the block, played on a Cup winner, the guy plays both sides, isn't going to cost you a fortune, and if the kids progress better than expected, he's going to be an easy guy to move. If we don't trade our first for someone who fits this bill, I would probably trade down assuming we don't win the lotto again, and go off board for guys who bring the old school game as the pendulum looks like it could be coming back the other way now.
Edit: Also, Brian Boyle is a guy I would look at too. He's a solid citizen who brings good size and isn't an automatic loss in the faceoff dot. Always shows up in the postseason too. Another guy that you don't have to lose sleep over if he doesn't play every night and could almost function as a player/coach. If he needs a bigger role, another guy you can definitely find a market for at the deadline.
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Boyle didn't play this year and will be 37 next year. Fans hated Boyle in his prime because he didn't use his size enough, can only imagine the amount of pitchforks that come out. If I'm aiming for an over the hill vet to provide leadership I would see how Getzlaf and Anaheim's situation plays out.

My fear is we try to make a play for RNH if he hits the market. This would be just as bad as giving Strome a long term deal.

Any plays in the free agent market should be shrewd moves. What about Nik Hjalmarsson? Defensive dman/shot blocker with Cup/Playoff pedigree and would be a great 3rd pair compliment to Lundqvist.
 
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brians1128 said:
Larkin and Lindholm come on down
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Detroit naming Larkin Captain makes me think he's their core piece to build around, as he should be,

Lindholm I'd love but I feel like he's the last guy Calgary will be looking to move. I think they'd want him to be a piece they build around and more likely try and move Guadreau and Monahan.
 
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Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Detroit naming Larkin Captain makes me think he's their core piece to build around, as he should be,

Lindholm I'd love but I feel like he's the last guy Calgary will be looking to move. I think they'd want him to be a piece they build around and more likely try and move Guadreau and Monahan.
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There is smoke there. There was talk post deadline saying "well Larkin is up in 2 years, does he fit into their time horizon for being competitive again?"

I don't think they will be "shopping" him per se, but the sense is that he can be had for a price. We'll see.
 
rangers1314 said:
So if JE is looking to have the same procedure, and the Dr's comments are still reflective of the reality of this type of operation, you basically have to be fine with accepting the risk that JE may not be near 100% for next season, and potentially out for the entire season.
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Or if we look at the other link

A total of 27 ACDFs were performed on 26 professional athletes: 12 National Football League athletes, 5 National Hockey League athletes, 5 Major League Baseball athletes, 3 National Basketball Association athletes, and 1 Major League Soccer athlete. Twenty-six procedures (96.3%) showed clinical and radiographic evidence of fusion, and 20 of 25 eligible players returned to play (80%). At the conclusion of this study, 2 players were still in the rehabilitation phase and expected to return at the start of the next National Football League season. The mean time to return to play in a professional game was 9.5 months (range, 5.0-20.2 months). Of 15 players who returned to play but had retired by the time of this study, the mean career length after fusion was 3.2 years (range, 0.1-8.0 years). Clinical follow-up ranged from 1 to 96 months, with a mean of 22.1 months and mode of 11 months.
Conclusion: After single-level ACDF, 80% of professional athletes were able to return to sport at approximately 9 months. The study findings will help athletes, physicians, and teams better predict outcome after ACDF surgery.
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So I guess that means, my reading, if Eichel gets that type of surgery, and he is part of the 80% where it goes well, approximately 9 months?
 
Off Sides said:
Or if we look at the other link



So I guess that means, my reading, if Eichel gets that type of surgery, and he is part of the 80% where it goes well, approximately 9 months?
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From what I understand, he actually doesn't want that surgery. He wants artificial disc replacement surgery.
 
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Fitzy said:
Strome was like 25th in the league in scoring I’ve got zero idea why people are still so divided over him
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Because he’s only locked up for next year, and probably wants more money than we should be paying for his last big contract, when he still takes lazy penalties and while his current number is great and if he’s willing to stay under 4 years and 6m absolutely, but he likely wants to get paid.
 
I really just want to see this core with a legit NHL coach

we can add adults to the room in the bottom 6 and a veteran 678 dmen

but I’d be really comfortable with Mika Strome Chytil and a veteran 4C down the middle Morgan Barron as a guy that can play wing and center on the roster.

I just want to see a real coach with this group before blowing it up.
 
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Back problems are the f***ing worst I can't wait until we find some sort of scientific solution that cuts down on fusions/heavy painkillers

The spine is like the most important part of the body and it's also the most fragile.
 
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Profet said:
From what I understand, he actually doesn't want that surgery. He wants artificial disc replacement surgery.
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Correct, from what I can tell.

And while the replacement surgery seems like it may be better, there does not seem to be a ton of data or studies, especially for pro athletes.

It's a tough situation.
 
Lion Hound said:
Most had him in the 1st, but one had McIlrath ranked 45th.






Andersson was a reach. Still ranked by most as a first rounder. 25th by ISS. I think in the 20's by Redline. 7OA was such a gift for the NY Rangers who missed like what felt like an eternity of 1st and 2nd round picks due to Sather trades. So they take the podium with both Suzuki and Vilardi still on the board. I was pumped! Were finally getting a super talented Center. I was never more angry with Gordie Clark and the scouting staff than this moment when they selected Andersson. I was furious at this pick. Like toss the remote furious. I was a big Suzuki fan pumping him as the pick for a while. I was a big fan of Vilardi as well, but didn't think Vilardi would be there.

Kravtsov wasn't on most radars until Redline put him up at 10th. Blackbook followed shortly after and ranked him 6th! Secret got out that the Rangers were following him for like a full year, and even Bobfather talked about it. He shot up the rankings. ISS Scouting had Kravtsov at 36th. Future Considerations had him at 28th. Farabee was like my fav from this draft. But, Bouchard and Dobson were also available. I wasn't dissapointed with Kravtsov as the pick. We had insight here on HF that he was the guy. Things leaked out from Bobfather, Redline and a few other places. I wasn't disapointed, but had 3 players ahead of him that I thought were better picks. Kravstsov is a very talented player. Looking forward to next season to see what he can do.

As a 2nd Stepan was a total reach. After the pick, a lot of people were saying...Who? Rangers got that one right.
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Totally agree. Felt like a Manny Malhotra part deux to me.
 
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