Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[Chytilmania]

Back problems are the f***ing worst I can't wait until we find some sort of scientific solution that cuts down on fusions/heavy painkillers

The spine is like the most important part of the body and it's also the most fragile.

I'm risking sounding like a conspiracy theorist but for a lot of back pain issues they are very treatable without surgery. Between soft tissue work/fascial stretching, strengthening the lower back and muscles around the spine, fixing your diet, taking good supplements, etc. you can reverse a lot of pain and damage. The issue is every surgeon or specialist gets paid to perform surgery or refer someone to get surgery and most times they don't need surgery. Not saying that's the case for Eichel but the health system is based on making a profit whether it's the right decision or not.

Edit- When I visited Prentiss' gym for a presentation he showed us a before and after of Pacioretty's back. He was completely mangled looked like he had awful scoliosis. A year or two later his back looked completely normal and obviously we know the career he's gone on to have. The picture was probably about 10 years ago.

 

[Peltz]

I'm risking sounding like a conspiracy theorist but for a lot of back pain issues they are very treatable without surgery. Between soft tissue work/fascial stretching, strengthening the lower back and muscles around the spine, fixing your diet, taking good supplements, etc. you can reverse a lot of pain and damage. The issue is every surgeon or specialist gets paid to perform surgery or refer someone to get surgery and most times they don't need surgery. Not saying that's the case for Eichel but the health system is based on making a profit whether it's the right decision or not.

Surgeons be surging

 

[Chytilmania]

Getzlaf as a veteran with a ring to play 3C and PP2 and bring that veteran leadership and is a big body would be great honestly.

I would love to bring Getzlaf in. No idea how he played but I think he'd be a great fit, especially if we deal Chytil.

 

[EdJovanovski]

This isn't EA Sports... Kravtsov isn't a center. When he played internationally as a center the results weren't great.

That is when his stock rose and rocketed up to the #1 NHL affiliated prospect on Buttons rankings, he was also laboring an injury during that tournament.

He absolutely is capable of playing center, he is one of the best skaters on the team, has the reach, has some of the best vision and he is always the first man back, even before Zibanejad when he was playing with him. I don't see any argument as to why he shouldn't be tried at center other than people who've never played hockey who think that it's rocket science to learn another position. Pettersson switched to center after being a wing in Sweden. Even Messier was drafted as a winger. This argument is dumb.

 

[Profet]

That is when his stock rose and rocketed up to the #1 NHL affiliated prospect on Buttons rankings, he was also laboring an injury during that tournament.

He absolutely is capable of playing center, he is one of the best skaters on the team, has the reach, has some of the best vision and he is always the first man back, even before Zibanejad when he was playing with him. I don't see any argument as to why he shouldn't be tried at center other than people who've never played hockey who think that it's rocket science to learn another position. Pettersson switched to center after being a wing in Sweden. Even Messier was drafted as a winger. This argument is dumb.

If it was so easy to switch a winger to a center, there wouldn't be such a premium on centers around the league. This argument is dumb.

 

[EdJovanovski]

If it was so easy to switch a winger to a center, there wouldn't be such a premium on centers around the league. This argument is dumb.

For top 10 picks who have all the attributes of a center, yea it shouldn't be too hard.

 

[rangersfansince08]

For top 10 picks who have all the attributes of a center, yea it shouldn't be too hard.

Could you describe what you see in Kravstov that makes him suitable to play C? That would solve two problems if he could do that.

 

[Mandar]

I'm risking sounding like a conspiracy theorist but for a lot of back pain issues they are very treatable without surgery. Between soft tissue work/fascial stretching, strengthening the lower back and muscles around the spine, fixing your diet, taking good supplements, etc. you can reverse a lot of pain and damage. The issue is every surgeon or specialist gets paid to perform surgery or refer someone to get surgery and most times they don't need surgery. Not saying that's the case for Eichel but the health system is based on making a profit whether it's the right decision or not.

Edit- When I visited Prentiss' gym for a presentation he showed us a before and after of Pacioretty's back. He was completely mangled looked like he had awful scoliosis. A year or two later his back looked completely normal and obviously we know the career he's gone on to have. The picture was probably about 10 years ago.

From what has been reported, its his cervical spine thats the issue....cervical = neck; lumbar = lower back. Trust me when I say they are two different things.

I've had the discectomy surgery...replaced my C7 disc (lower neck) which was bulging against my spine. The pain was excruciating....travelled down the neck, through the shoulder, and down the arm (the elbow pain was incredible too). The pain shoots and feels like electric shocks and getting stabbed. You can just turn in a different direction and it triggers the pain.....working in the city at the time I had it was horrible...getting bumped in the subway was no fun.

After the surgery, the pain stopped and the rehab began. The synthetic disc needs to meld into the spine...that takes the most time. A pro athlete in top shape should make a quicker recovery.

Sorry for the long answer here...but know that its his neck, not his mid or lower back thats the issue.

 

[brians1128]

Left Wing.
Panarin - Lafreniere - Kreider;
High end, probably the best left wing in the league. Who falls into the checking line/matchup role? You would have to think Kreider? unless Laf could quickly develop that part of his game... If Laf stays with Mika, it's likely.

Center
Mika-Strome-Chytil
IMO we fall into a category where the sum is less than the parts. They are good individual players. they do not bring balance to the force.

Who is 'replaced'? IMO Drury extends Mika long term, he'll sign a 5 year $40M deal. We need to get some help on the 'defensive side of things so another line can share that burden with Mika... If/when a 'matchup center' is acquired, Strome and/or Chytil could move to the right wing ( if they aren't moved themselves ).

Right Wing.
Buch-Kakko-Kravtsov
Buch has taken a big step on the defensive side. How much is that worth? Do you sign him and make sure his contract is moveable? Long term, Buch is probably a 3rd line RW which is fine. He scores at Even-strength and was solid defensively... but how much cap can be allotted to that? Kakko can be a matchup player imo. Kravtsov shows the IQ to play good defense as well. Buch can also land us that missing piece.

TLDR; we need another matchup line. Mika can't be the only one. The obvious 'issue' is at center. Team needs roles. Mika's line can matchup if/when needed but we need another line to help. The kid line was NOT the answer.

Barkov is obviously the fantasy pick... but players like Kopitar, Toews, Cirielli, Copp or Bonino can fill that role to varying degrees and cost.

1) Strome and/or Buch are moved; Chytil slots in with Panarin; Matchup Center acquired.
2) Buch is moved; Matchup Center acquired; Chytil or Strome move to RW
3) Chytil is moved and 'upgrades' that center spot. .

IMO 1 and 2 are the likely scenarios.

Alexander Wennberg or Phillip Danault. I think Danault screwed himself by not taking that contract extension, but well see, his game is what we need I just think he wants too much money. Wennberg leads Florida in short handed ice time. is 49.2% in the dot, and I don't think he's going to cost a fortune.

They can use Buch and Strome as pieces to pull a 2c, and shift Chytil to wing.

Buch
Strome
Gauthier
Jones

as bait

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

I'm risking sounding like a conspiracy theorist but for a lot of back pain issues they are very treatable without surgery. Between soft tissue work/fascial stretching, strengthening the lower back and muscles around the spine, fixing your diet, taking good supplements, etc. you can reverse a lot of pain and damage. The issue is every surgeon or specialist gets paid to perform surgery or refer someone to get surgery and most times they don't need surgery. Not saying that's the case for Eichel but the health system is based on making a profit whether it's the right decision or not.

Edit- When I visited Prentiss' gym for a presentation he showed us a before and after of Pacioretty's back. He was completely mangled looked like he had awful scoliosis. A year or two later his back looked completely normal and obviously we know the career he's gone on to have. The picture was probably about 10 years ago.

LOL at fixing a herniated disc, let alone a compressed spinal cord/nerve roots, by taking supplements and changing a diet. What is your medical expertise exactly?

You are spewing out very dangerous nonsense.

 

[Mandar]

LOL at fixing a herniated disc, let alone a compressed spinal cord/nerve roots, by taking supplements and changing a diet. What is your medical expertise exactly?

You are spewing out very dangerous nonsense.

you are completely correct. Thank you.

 

[Chytilmania]

LOL at fixing a herniated disc, let alone a compressed spinal cord/nerve roots, by taking supplements and changing a diet. What is your medical expertise exactly?

Never said any of that. And I said I wasn't talking about Eichel's situation. I was quoting someone who mentioned back surgery.
But yes herniations can be managed without surgery. I love how you pick on the mention of diet and supplements but ignore the exercise and soft tissue work part. Feel free to misinterpret this post too.

 

[Edge]

I don't think we're going to see the same group on the ice this upcoming season. I think Buch gets traded. Maybe Strome too. Maybe even Chytil or Mika.

So it's likely a moot point. Too much will change to really understand the impact of any one changing piece of the puzzle.

I think we're going to see some change. How much and when is unknown.

Buch is candidate to be moved. Strome could be a candidate depending on what the Rangers do with Mika and Chytil, and potentially Buch as well.

If the Rangers feel like they want to change the balance up a bit, Buch could very well could for a guy designed to be more of a third line center, with Chytil sliding up to finally man the second line. In that case, Strome is potentially moved for a different roster piece.

Mika is a wildcard right now. I think there's a real possibility the Rangers look to commit to him. But if he goes, they could opt for more of a young center with top six potential rather than a ready to roll third line center.

So there's many variables there. I think we could see two of the four guys you mentioned moved. I think more than probably becomes a bit more turnover and turmoil than they should pursue at present time.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

LOL at fixing a herniated disc, let alone a compressed spinal cord/nerve roots, by taking supplements and goinging a diet. What is your medical expertise exactly?

You are spewing out very dangerous nonsense.

Ive had a Microdiscectomy on my L5 - S1, pressed against my sciatic nerve, with spinal stenouses which is the narrowing of the spine as it connects to the sacrum. I tried EVERYTHING that the previous poster said. It did not help at all, i could barely move in bed yet alone do anything. I ended up with the surgery, it helped massively but what has helped me the past few years has been taking the weight off and eating healthy. I believe Eichel getting the surgery is fine but he should also eat right, continue to do exercises to strengthen around the disc among other things.

 

[Mandar]

Never said any of that. And I said I wasn't talking about Eichel's situation. I was quoting someone who mentioned back surgery.
But yes herniations can be managed without surgery. I love how you pick on the mention of diet and supplements but ignore the exercise and soft tissue work part. Feel free to misinterpret this post too.

all due respect, if you dont know the severity of the herniated discs, or which discs are effected....to suggest that the other methods are a good option is unwise.

 

[bobbop]

Depends on which draft prognostications you're looking at. Thinking McIlrath was projected 2nd round by some circles.

He was also projected as high as seventh. Don’t cry over spilled milk.

 

[CLW]

all due respect, if you dont know the severity of the herniated discs, or which discs are effected....to suggest that the other methods are a good option is unwise.

Except he didn't. Buffalo doctors are saying rehab is recommended (rest, strengthening, diet etc) basically what the poster described. Eichel wants surgery. So it's a difference of medical opinion. The poster didn't say anything outside that the possibility exists to rehab even severe injuries, he didn't specifically say Eichel's injury can be rehabbed. What's up with people's reading comprehension skills?

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

Never said any of that. And I said I wasn't talking about Eichel's situation. I was quoting someone who mentioned back surgery.
But yes herniations can be managed without surgery. I love how you pick on the mention of diet and supplements but ignore the exercise and soft tissue work part. Feel free to misinterpret this post too.

You should not have mentioned supplements and diet in the first place. I am not misinterpreting anything. You were very clear on that point. The need for a surgery always depends on an individual case and it CANNOT be generalized. And it is rather tricky and requires a lot of expertise and clinical experience to decide whether and when a surgery is necessary.

Exercise might help but again, it depends on the individual patient and it is by no means miraculous. and its effects are very, very limited in conditions like herniated disc, spinal cord compression etc.

I am just about to graduate as medical doctor. And I would NEVER dare to make a call whether a condition requires spine surgery. Which brings me to my original question. WHAT IS YOUR MEDICAL EXPERTISE, EXACTLY?

 

[bobbop]

Rangers need to get older, not younger. They have all the youth they need to continue to mature and grow into studs. Go get NHL players. Rebuild is over.

This.

There are plenty of great pieces available UFA or in trades. That’s the prudent way to add to the roster.

Unless something big falls into our laps, keep the first pick. Need to keep the line of young players moving. Plus whomever they draft won’t be ready for a while.

As we used to say; guns and butter.

 

[duhmetreE]

Alexander Wennberg or Phillip Danault. I think Danault screwed himself by not taking that contract extension, but well see, his game is what we need I just think he wants too much money. Wennberg leads Florida in short handed ice time. is 49.2% in the dot, and I don't think he's going to cost a fortune.

They can use Buch and Strome as pieces to pull a 2c, and shift Chytil to wing.

Buch
Strome
Gauthier
Jones

as bait

My only concern is contracts for Wennberg and especially Danault

 

[bobbop]

From what I understand, he actually doesn't want that surgery. He wants artificial disc replacement surgery.

One of my friends recently had the artificial disc surgery. It has worked very well. Caveat; he is not an NHL player.

 

[rangers1314]

One of my friends recently had the artificial disc surgery. It has worked very well. Caveat; he is not an NHL player.

Understand that the situations are clearly different, but how long is/was your friends recovery?

 

[bobbop]

Understand that the situations are clearly different, but how long is/was your friends recovery?

3 months

 

[haohmaru]

He was also projected as high as seventh. Don’t cry over spilled milk.

Uh... okay? I was merely answering a question about who we drafted in the 1st round that might not have been projected to be a 1st rounder. Mcilrath came to mind because he was in the 2nd on some lists though many had him in the 1st. Wasn't judging the pick. Sheesh.

 

[Fitzy]

Buch for Dvorak+ could be a great deal for both teams. Dvorak is locked in for a while at a manageable salary for a middle 6 center, kills penalties, and can improve our faceoffs greatly. He also doesn't shy away from physical play.