Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2021 Offseason) - “You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn”?

[Chalfdiggity3]

Strome was like 25th in the league in scoring I’ve got zero idea why people are still so divided over him

Bc its all he provides. He cant win faceoffs, bad at defense, and isnt physical at all.

 

[SML2]

Friedman was on this morning and said no hockey player has had this surgery. He said two MMA guys have had it, one was Chris Wideman who has fought three times since the surgery. He said the technique is used more in Europe and hasn't really caught on in the U.S. yet.

 

[SML2]

Boyle didn't play this year and will be 37 next year. Fans hated Boyle in his prime because he didn't use his size enough, can only imagine the amount of pitchforks that come out. If I'm aiming for an over the hill vet to provide leadership I would see how Getzlaf and Anaheim's situation plays out.

My fear is we try to make a play for RNH if he hits the market. This would be just as bad as giving Strome a long term deal.

Any plays in the free agent market should be shrewd moves. What about Nik Hjalmarsson? Defensive dman/shot blocker with Cup/Playoff pedigree and would be a great 3rd pair compliment to Lundqvist.

I want no part of RNH. I swear I saw somewhere that Hjalmarsson was done in the NHL and was going home to Sweden to possibly play there.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Because he’s only locked up for next year, and probably wants more money than we should be paying for his last big contract, when he still takes lazy penalties and while his current number is great and if he’s willing to stay under 4 years and 6m absolutely, but he likely wants to get paid.

And for the type of money he will get, he is not worth it since points is all he provides

 

[Peltz]

Bc its all he provides. He cant win faceoffs, bad at defense, and isnt physical at all.

He's not a bad signing. But I definitely think his days on the team are numbered since he has a one-dimensional game.

 

[IDvsEGO]

And for the type of money he will get, he is not worth it since points is all he provides

When he skates he’s not bad defensively. But that’s completely random.

 

[Fitzy]

Bc its all he provides. He cant win faceoffs, bad at defense, and isnt physical at all.

All these descriptors also fit Michael Nylander, who we regretted not re-signing almost instantly after letting him go.

 

[Rongomania]

The fortunate recovery of Kris Letang from major neck surgery

The scariest thing which is eerily similar between the two, aside from being elite guys with this specific injury- Letang hasn't played a full season since 2010. Injury prone before the surgery, just like big Jack.

fuuuuuuuc* that. Don't to it Dru.

 

[fm]

The Nuge? I’ll keep Strome who is likely to be cheaper and may actually be better.

Never understood this board’s hate-on for Strome.

 

[Peltz]

I really just want to see this core with a legit NHL coach

we can add adults to the room in the bottom 6 and a veteran 678 dmen

but I’d be really comfortable with Mika Strome Chytil and a veteran 4C down the middle Morgan Barron as a guy that can play wing and center on the roster.

I just want to see a real coach with this group before blowing it up.

I think we had that honestly. Not saying that Quinn was good or that he shouldn't have been fired. But I don't think we are going to see a tremendous difference in outcomes vs defensive teams like Carolina, Boston, and Islanders even with a "good coach." There needs to be a bit more depth at center and on D.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Boyle didn't play this year and will be 37 next year. Fans hated Boyle in his prime because he didn't use his size enough, can only imagine the amount of pitchforks that come out. If I'm aiming for an over the hill vet to provide leadership I would see how Getzlaf and Anaheim's situation plays out.

My fear is we try to make a play for RNH if he hits the market. This would be just as bad as giving Strome a long term deal.

Any plays in the free agent market should be shrewd moves. What about Nik Hjalmarsson? Defensive dman/shot blocker with Cup/Playoff pedigree and would be a great 3rd pair compliment to Lundqvist.

Getzlaf as a veteran with a ring to play 3C and PP2 and bring that veteran leadership and is a big body would be great honestly.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

He's not a bad signing. But I definitely think his days on the team are numbered since he has a one-dimensional game.

I never said he was bad. He is redundant, one deminsional. We need diversity in the lineup and he honestly adds nothing.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Getzlaf as a veteran with a ring to play 3C and PP2 and bring that veteran leadership and is a big body would be great honestly.

i bet its Ducks, retire or a top 2 in the West

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

When he skates he’s not bad defensively. But that’s completely random.

How is it completely random. He is not going to be worth the 7m he will get and he when he skates? Thats you're defense of him being only somewhat bad defensively? Thats like saying Krieder is a beast when he plays physically. He only plays physically for 20 or so games. So, is he actually physical?

Strome MUST be traded

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

All these descriptors also fit Michael Nylander, who we regretted not re-signing almost instantly after letting him go.

That was because at that time we didnt have anyone else like Nylander. Different time, team, and players involved. Strome is NOT Nylander. We will not regret letting strome go ESP at the cap hit he will get.

 

[Edge]

I think we had that honestly. Not saying that Quinn was good or that he shouldn't have been fired. But I don't think we are going to see a tremendous difference in outcomes vs defensive teams like Carolina, Boston, and Islanders even with a "good coach." There needs to be a bit more depth at center and on D.

I think a lot depends on how some guys progress.

I'm in this weird spot where I feel like the results this past season and the expected results for next season are fairly close, regardless of the coach.

I saw a team that had a serious uphill battle for the playoffs this last season --- be it Quinn at the helm or someone else.

I see a team that should be a playoff team this next season --- be it Quinn at the helm or someone else.

I feel like the Rangers should see significant improvement next year --- which probably only feeds the debate. Without Quinn, those improvements will lead to debates about we solved the problem and that this is what we should've seen this past year. Had he remained, it would've lead to debates as to whether the growth was enough and lamentations that we still need someone to help us take the next step.

So on the one hand, Quinn probably would've been in a lose/lose situation had he remained --- regardless of the results. On the other hand, the next coach should be in a decent place to hit the ground running.

 

[dshea19]

Strome was like 25th in the league in scoring I’ve got zero idea why people are still so divided over him

Because he plays more like a winger than a center. He is terrible at faceoffs, takes bad penalties, and is poor defensively. As the wingers mature and grow into their offense, he is less and less useful and shows how he is lacking what they really need in a center. With these wingers, they really need more of a faceoff guy that plays a strong 2-way game that gives the wings the freedom to do what they do. At least, that is how I see it. 5v5, his defense drives me nuts. Too many times I see a winger trying to cover Strome's guy as he is floating around the zone.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Ryan Lindgren End of Season Interview.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Kaapo Kakko End of Season Interview.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

 

[CLW]

From what I understand, he actually doesn't want that surgery. He wants artificial disc replacement surgery.

Eichel wants the experimental replacement surgery done now, Buffalo wants him to rehab first and go to surgery as last resort. Both approaches are supported by medical experts on either side. The surgery has never been done before on an NHL player, so I can see why Buffalo are careful with their prized asset. Eichel meanwhile seems very eager to speed things up.

Eichel will probably be fine, but it's a huge gamble for any team to roll the dice on that "probably" and give up a franchise altering package of players/prospects on a roll of the dice that may come up snake eyes. No GM can afford to come up snake eyes on Eichel. Guess that is why Eichel wants to push it, get the surgery, and prove he is ready sooner rather than later so he can get the move he wants. If the surgery fails he goes on LTIR and gets insurance money. I doubt a deal happens before the situation around the injury clears up, which takes this thing into the next season or even late next season. (Oh joy).

 

[duhmetreE]

Left Wing.
Panarin - Lafreniere - Kreider;
High end, probably the best left wing in the league. Who falls into the checking line/matchup role? You would have to think Kreider? unless Laf could quickly develop that part of his game... If Laf stays with Mika, it's likely.

Center
Mika-Strome-Chytil
IMO we fall into a category where the sum is less than the parts. They are good individual players. they do not bring balance to the force.

Who is 'replaced'? IMO Drury extends Mika long term, he'll sign a 5 year $40M deal. We need to get some help on the 'defensive side of things so another line can share that burden with Mika... If/when a 'matchup center' is acquired, Strome and/or Chytil could move to the right wing ( if they aren't moved themselves ).

Right Wing.
Buch-Kakko-Kravtsov
Buch has taken a big step on the defensive side. How much is that worth? Do you sign him and make sure his contract is moveable? Long term, Buch is probably a 3rd line RW which is fine. He scores at Even-strength and was solid defensively... but how much cap can be allotted to that? Kakko can be a matchup player imo. Kravtsov shows the IQ to play good defense as well. Buch can also land us that missing piece.

TLDR; we need another matchup line. Mika can't be the only one. The obvious 'issue' is at center. Team needs roles. Mika's line can matchup if/when needed but we need another line to help. The kid line was NOT the answer.

Barkov is obviously the fantasy pick... but players like Kopitar, Toews, Cirielli, Copp or Bonino can fill that role to varying degrees and cost.

1) Strome and/or Buch are moved; Chytil slots in with Panarin; Matchup Center acquired.
2) Buch is moved; Matchup Center acquired; Chytil or Strome move to RW
3) Chytil is moved and 'upgrades' that center spot. .

IMO 1 and 2 are the likely scenarios.

 

[Ruggs225]

Im still wondering if kravtsov moves to center (and can stick there) and either strome or chytil move to wing would that solve any of the problems.

panarin-kravtsov-kakko
Laff-zib-buch
Kreider-strom-chytil

 

[Profet]

Im still wondering if kravtsov moves to center (and can stick there) and either strome or chytil move to wing would that solve any of the problems.

panarin-kravtsov-kakko
Laff-zib-buch
Kreider-strom-chytil

This isn't EA Sports... Kravtsov isn't a center. When he played internationally as a center the results weren't great.

 

[Peltz]

I think a lot depends on how some guys progress.

I'm in this weird spot where I feel like the results this past season and the expected results for next season are fairly close, regardless of the coach.

I don't think we're going to see the same group on the ice this upcoming season. I think Buch gets traded. Maybe Strome too. Maybe even Chytil or Mika.

So it's likely a moot point. Too much will change to really understand the impact of any one changing piece of the puzzle.