Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

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It's funny that most of the people who are 'Anti-DeAngelo' are also Pro-Staal.



What kind of disruptions are we talking about?

If its small things like being late to a practice or yelling at a ref, it's not that big of a deal (yes these things shouldn't happen, but they aren't really disruptive.)

As far as I can see, he has done nothing since he has been here to disrupt the room. There are other things we've all seen that are far more disruptive to a room, such as playing inferior players over guys who are clearly better.



Well to be fair, Pionk sucked and him playing more minutes than DeAngelo for the first half of the season was annoying.

But yeah the "ADA vs. whoever" **** has got to stop. If Fox turns out to be better than DeAngelo, that is a great thing.

Quinn did play Pionk on the penalty kill--he gave Shattenkirk very little and DeAngelo even less. It really comes down to all three of them being weak physically and/or shaky as f*** defensively and Quinn deciding Pionk was the best--or maybe he was just the one who was going to be thrown into the fire--the sacrificial lamb so to speak. Someone has to do the dirty jobs--someone has to take the worst assignments.

We can say Pionk sucked all day long and there were times last year when he looked shellshocked but there is still a question of how well DeAngelo or Shattenkirk would do with a steady diet of Ovechkin, Crosby, Matthews, Barzal, MacKinnon, Bergeron, Barkov, Patrick Kane etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum + lots of penalty kill time?--because it's game after game after game that Pionk was put into that role and eventually he drowned--not going to deny that but to use a military analogy it's like blaming your rear guard in a retreat for getting killed....and really I don't think the other two would have done any better and in a way I think Quinn did Tony a favor by not even giving him those kinds of matchups.
 
Quinn did play Pionk on the penalty kill--he gave Shattenkirk very little and DeAngelo even less. It really comes down to all three of them being weak physically and/or shaky as **** defensively and Quinn deciding Pionk was the best--or maybe he was just the one who was going to be thrown into the fire--the sacrificial lamb so to speak. Someone has to do the dirty jobs--someone has to take the worst assignments.

We can say Pionk sucked all day long and there were times last year when he looked shellshocked but there is still a question of how well DeAngelo or Shattenkirk would do with a steady diet of Ovechkin, Crosby, Matthews, Barzal, MacKinnon, Bergeron, Barkov, Patrick Kane etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum + lots of penalty kill time?--because it's game after game after game that Pionk was put into that role and eventually he drowned--not going to deny that but to use a military analogy it's like blaming your rear guard in a retreat for getting killed....and really I don't think the other two would have done any better and in a way I think Quinn did Tony a favor by not even giving him those kinds of matchups.

You act like DeAngelo never got any ice against those guys...

He did. He started taking those matchups towards the end of the year, under even tougher circumstances since well, this team was a pretty much dead.

He handled them better much, much better than Pionk did (who 100% was the sacrificial lamb in this case, the coaches did him no favors that I agree with 100%) and he had to carry around the ultimate disasterpiece version of Staal that we saw after the new year.
 
You act like DeAngelo never got any ice against those guys...

He did. He started taking those matchups towards the end of the year, under even tougher circumstances since well, this team was a pretty much dead.

He handled them better much, much better than Pionk did (who 100% was the sacrificial lamb in this case, the coaches did him no favors that I agree with 100%) and he had to carry around the ultimate disasterpiece version of Staal that we saw after the new year.

He wasn’t carrying Staal. Staal was helping him practice defense zone play during in game situations.
 
Well, good veteran leaders who can still play.

Recchi was still a productive player when he hung them up.

One of my favorite things about Recchi is that his Hockey Reference page is so long that they added a second layer of stat labels to it so you don't forget what you're looking at after scrolling through his seasons for 30 minutes :laugh:
 
You act like DeAngelo never got any ice against those guys...

He did. He started taking those matchups towards the end of the year, under even tougher circumstances since well, this team was a pretty much dead.

He handled them better much, much better than Pionk did (who 100% was the sacrificial lamb in this case, the coaches did him no favors that I agree with 100%) and he had to carry around the ultimate disasterpiece version of Staal that we saw after the new year.

Don't remember him ever getting those kind of matchups and he certainly didn't get the penalty time that almost always go with those kind of matchups. He finished the season with 10 seconds average per game in penalty kill time.

To go through this again though DeAngelo made very good progress last year but the Rangers coaching staff were very careful with him. There were a lot of scratches for a while but as the season went along he got more and more ice time. Quinn broke him in very slowly--like you would break in a guy on your third pair and I think he responded well for that and he got more and more minutes but he never really got the tougher minutes. All in all last year proved he's a legit NHL player. It didn't prove he was a top 4 D though--so let's see what he can do this year.
 
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It's funny that most of the people who are 'Anti-DeAngelo' are also Pro-Staal.



What kind of disruptions are we talking about?

If its small things like being late to a practice or yelling at a ref, it's not that big of a deal (yes these things shouldn't happen, but they aren't really disruptive.)

As far as I can see, he has done nothing since he has been here to disrupt the room. There are other things we've all seen that are far more disruptive to a room, such as playing inferior players over guys who are clearly better.



Well to be fair, Pionk sucked and him playing more minutes than DeAngelo for the first half of the season was annoying.

But yeah the "ADA vs. whoever" **** has got to stop. If Fox turns out to be better than DeAngelo, that is a great thing.
He was a scratch for a quite a bit if the season last year, it wasnt because he was adding value to the room during those times. A coaching staff will always play a better player unless there is other issues tied to him, which is what happened last year and pretty much everywhere he has played, players with his skillset dont get moved around the league 3 times before they are 23. Until he figures it out he is unreliable as a player, maybe he has already, maybe he never will. I don't know why you say most of the people who are anti DeAngelo are pro Staal with me quoted, I'm pro DeAngelo, but I need him on the ice not in the stands watching. Also, I'm definately not pro Staal, he hasnt been the same since the eye injury, so not sure what you meant by that.
 
Yeah ... how has this kids twitter been blown so far out of proportion, it's laughable at this point.

I want to watch him take his game to another level this season. There should be no excuses.

- infusion of new talent all around him to make those CRISPY passes to.
- clearly he grew on Quinn and I'd like to see Quinn lean on Tony even more.
- Has Jake Trouba, specifically taking more pressure off of him, directly.

It's all there for the taking for the kid, let's see him run with it. Tony DeAngelo with confidence is a Tony DeAngelo you DO NOT want to play against.
He was a scratch for a quite a bit if the season last year, it wasnt because he was adding value to the room during those times. A coaching staff will always play a better player unless there is other issues tied to him, which is what happened last year and pretty much everywhere he has played, players with his skillset dont get moved around the league 3 times before they are 23. Until he figures it out he is unreliable as a player, maybe he has already, maybe he never will. I don't know why you say most of the people who are anti DeAngelo are pro Staal with me quoted, I'm pro DeAngelo, but I need him on the ice not in the stands watching. Also, I'm definately not pro Staal, he hasnt been the same since the eye injury, so not sure what you meant by that.

Trouba should take pressure off the entire defense. Players should slot a lot better. Jacob might not quite be an elite D but he'll pass pretty well for a legit 1st pairing D. To me he's equal to a younger Ryan McDonagh. I look at Skjei more as a legit top 4 D who was asked to be a first pairing D after McD was dealt but really wasn't up to the job. Paired with Trouba he might be but paired with an RD other than Trouba it also might help solidify a top 4 in a kind of spread the wealth around way. I wouldn't necessarily have Panarin and Zibanejad together either--I'd be more of a mind to have the main drivers of two separate lines.
 
Where did I say Fox needs to be protected?

Looking at the Rangers depth chart, they have high hopes for Fox. By all accounts, he should become a competent top 4 D at the very least.

IMHO, the Rangers value Fox more than DeAngelo thus Fox will get very opportunity to have a major role on this team. It may not be at the start of this season but the Rangers view Fox as a potential top player for them.

The Rangers can build up DeAngelo's value and trade him at some point over the next few seasons. They have Trouba, Fox and Lundkvist on the right side. There isn't enough money to keep everyone which we have already seen with Shattenmirk.

Lundkvist puts up 10 points in 41 games. obviously means were definitely shipping ADA out AS SOON AS f***ING POSSIBLE...

Where do you get off man? I'm all for rebuilding but you've now switched over to shipping out parts that we are STILL f***ING DEVELOPING...
 
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Was watching the winter classic at citi field last night around 1am.

Kinda need camp to start. Getting a little desperate, lol

Three weeks to Traverse! (I may have found a way to watch live... maybe)

I'm getting started on my short-term memory loss years... but didn't the Red Wings stream all/most of these the past few years? Thought I watched some NYR games there that did not involve Detroit...
 
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Oh right. College UFA is happening on Thursday.

Have we been linked to any? I'm sure we'll sign a few.
 
Oh right. College UFA is happening on Thursday.

Have we been linked to any? I'm sure we'll sign a few.

Haven't seen anything but Priskie is a nice piece. Too bad he is Right handed shot, if he was left he'd be a great get. Can't believe I am even saying that
 
Oh right. College UFA is happening on Thursday.

Have we been linked to any? I'm sure we'll sign a few.

ANA: Brent Gates, Steven Ruggiero
BUF: Chris Brown, Ivan Chukarov, Max Willman
CHI: Fredrik Olofsson, Beau Starrett
DET: Chase Perry
EDM: Vincent Desharnais, Joey Dudek, Hayden Hawkey
FLA: Joe Wegwerth
MIN: Nicholas Boka, Jack Sadek
MTL: Nikolas Koberstein
NSH: Thomas Novak
OTT: Miles Gendron
PHI: Brendan Warren
PIT: Masonius Joseph
SJS: Jacob Jackson, John Kupsky, Marcus Vela
WSH: Chase Priskie, Steven Spinner
 
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