Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

[Thirty One]

Will Fox be going to Traverse?

If they take Fox but not DeAngelo it will be telling.

 

[haveandare]

If they take Fox but not DeAngelo it will be telling.

ADA can't possibly still be eligible for Traverse, can he?

 

[leetch99]

Ask yourself this...why did Drury, in his role as National Team GM, take Fox to World Championships instead of D’Angelo?

What were Fox stats and ice time ? ADA...has a bit of Avery running in his veins...which we are all aware of...not probably what you want in an International event . Our present Ranger roster can use that Avery like attitude in an 82 game schedule ....certainly has been missed on ice the last few years and doubt anybody can say otherwise .

 

[Leetch3]

ADA can't possibly still be eligible for Traverse, can he?

 

[bobbop]

That's not how it works.

But you tried.

Just like you tried to peddle ADA an established top four defenseman

 

[leetch99]

I am in the ADA corner all the way and I also know it might not work out and Fox does emerge . For the Rangers it will be win win either way and unless ADA does something terrible and hurts the trade value we likely can get a good piece/asset in return for him at some point . As fans we know that there will be battles for spots here now.....I think it is great and speaks about what our team eventually might become....and that is to be very competitive every game . At least this season he will have more skilled forwards up front that will be able to handle his break out crisp passes and PP passes.....

 

[bobbop]

Nothing would make me happier than seeing D'Angelo blossom into a bona fide top four defenseman. I was encouraged by his improved play in the second half of last season. I also have been exposed to his entire body of work over the last several years and I've seen those flashes before. I am and continue to be somewhat skeptical but show me a full season of performance and he will have no bigger supporter than me.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I like DeAngelo but until he proves he has matured he cant be counted on to play the full season because he just may disrupt things enough the coach sits him, maybe that's this year, maybe it isn't. We need him to be our full time 2nd pair dman this year otherwise he may find himself somewhere else.

 

[NYR2007]

There isnt a bias against the rangers by the refs. The league has discipline for refs they feel are being unprofessional, no ref wants to be reprimanded and lose their chance at playoff games. There were a few blips last year, every team has them, it's not an issue at all. The only bias is from anyone that doesnt see the things that are called or let go on both sides of the ice.

Bro your nuts of you think the refereeing last season was fair to the rangers . I’ve watched a lot of hockey and I remember saying to myself numerous times last year that it seems the rangers are not getting a fair shake , and assumed it had to do with Quinn being a rookie coach . It also made me remember when we had Shanahan on the team and he use to go out and put his arms around the refs back when he was talking to them and discuss the calls etc . We legit have no one of that caliber on the team to do that

 

[eco's bones]

Bro your nuts of you think the refereeing last season was fair to the rangers . I’ve watched a lot of hockey and I remember saying to myself numerous times last year that it seems the rangers are not getting a fair shake , and assumed it had to do with Quinn being a rookie coach . It also made me remember when we had Shanahan on the team and he use to go out and put his arms around the refs back when he was talking to them and discuss the calls etc . We legit have no one of that caliber on the team to do that

The NHL apologized to Zibanejad (something pretty much unheard of) after he got tossed one night and about 10 days later they tossed Lemieux on another bogus call when Roussel crashed into him after stepping in a rut. The Refs f***ed with the Rangers all year long.

 

[Leetch3]

I don’t get it. Last year it was pionk vs ada now they argument is ada vs fox. Here’s a crazy idea root for both guys

 

[Ola]

Maybe you're right on this point, but that could change almost immediately based on performance over the next two seasons. It's tough to predict who will develop quicker and rise higher. So to draw conclusions now about their strategy in a few years is a little speculative.

Fox could still bust out of the NHL, though unlikely. DeAngelo could score 50 points this season while Fox spends the full season in the AHL. You never know.

I feel the organization is coming close to misjudging TDA the same way it misjudged a young Zucc.

Zucc was on many nights a top 2-3 forward for us, still he didn’t get a contract. I remember posting about that, those posts have aged well. Asking like “is is really unfair to claim that Zucc was a top 5 forward for us after Christmas?” Torts hated him and Slats and co only saw his flaws. And it carried on for a long time at varying degrees. Zucc wasn’t worth a 2 year deal. Anything more than a 2 year deal. He wasn’t worth a 3 year deal. And so forth. But on the ice he was consistently better than most other forwards, that our management felt was worth many millions and many years.

Gorton was around back then too, not blaming him for it, who knows what goes on behind the scene. But our pro-scouting have some very fundamental issues. Stralman is another one. He wasn’t worth more than 1 year. Then two years. Low cost. And we lost him for nothing.

Sure you must take into account off-ice stuff and value that too. But if that aspect isn’t much worse than we think — and many don’t seem to hold it that high — it does seem like we really undervalue what he does on the ice.

 

[Leetch3]

I feel the organization is coming close to misjudging TDA the same way it misjudged a young Zucc.

Zucc was on many nights a top 2-3 forward for us, still he didn’t get a contract. I remember posting about that, those posts have aged well. Asking like “is is really unfair to claim that Zucc was a top 5 forward for us after Christmas?” Torts hated him and Slats and co only saw his flaws. And it carried on for a long time at varying degrees. Zucc wasn’t worth a 2 year deal. Anything more than a 2 year deal. He wasn’t worth a 3 year deal. And so forth. But on the ice he was consistently better than most other forwards, that our management felt was worth many millions and many years.

Gorton was around back then too, not blaming him for it, who knows what goes on behind the scene. But our pro-scouting have some very fundamental issues. Stralman is another one. He wasn’t worth more than 1 year. Then two years. Low cost. And we lost him for nothing.

Sure you must take into account off-ice stuff and value that too. But if that aspect isn’t much worse than we think — and many don’t seem to hold it that high — it does seem like we really undervalue what he does on the ice.

They aren’t misjudging anyone. There is no cap space to give him a long term deal and for all we know that’s why he hasn’t signed yet

 

[Irishguy42]

Just like you tried to peddle ADA an established top four defenseman

Lmfao

There is plenty of evidence to support it and it's been shown the entire season.

But the only arguments and "evidence" that comes up against the idea are dumb things like "he can't defend well" (has been disproved) and his attitude (has no bearing on his ability as a defenseman). Nothing of substance or worth discussing.

Stay ignorant about more modern and accurate player evaluations, please.

Tony DeAngelo being a Top 4 player on an NHL roster is more valid and correct than anything you have had to say about him in the past.

 

[Fitzy]

If management didn't have faith in DeAngelo, they wouldn't have bought out Shattenkirk. I really believe that. I think they had a choice and decided the right side of the defense was the strongest.

 

[SA16]

Just to clarify things we don't like players who show no emotion like Chris Drury who say they won't let losses ruin their Christmas but we also don't like players who show too much emotion like DeAngelo.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's funny that most of the people who are 'Anti-DeAngelo' are also Pro-Staal.

I like DeAngelo but until he proves he has matured he cant be counted on to play the full season because he just may disrupt things enough the coach sits him, maybe that's this year, maybe it isn't. We need him to be our full time 2nd pair dman this year otherwise he may find himself somewhere else.

What kind of disruptions are we talking about?

If its small things like being late to a practice or yelling at a ref, it's not that big of a deal (yes these things shouldn't happen, but they aren't really disruptive.)

As far as I can see, he has done nothing since he has been here to disrupt the room. There are other things we've all seen that are far more disruptive to a room, such as playing inferior players over guys who are clearly better.

I don’t get it. Last year it was pionk vs ada now they argument is ada vs fox. Here’s a crazy idea root for both guys

Well to be fair, Pionk sucked and him playing more minutes than DeAngelo for the first half of the season was annoying.

But yeah the "ADA vs. whoever" shit has got to stop. If Fox turns out to be better than DeAngelo, that is a great thing.

 

[NYR Viper]

Still not understanding why the team can’t have 3 very good right defensemen. Is it illegal?

 

[Leetch3]

Well to be fair, Pionk sucked and him playing more minutes than DeAngelo for the first half of the season was annoying.

annoying maybe but looking at it in hindsight, we over-inflated pionk's value to the point that he got us trouba and IMO partly due to the tough love quinn gave him ADA was a better player at the end of the year than he was at the start. so that worked out nicely

 

[bobbop]

Lmfao

There is plenty of evidence to support it and it's been shown the entire season.

But the only arguments and "evidence" that comes up against the idea are dumb things like "he can't defend well" (has been disproved) and his attitude (has no bearing on his ability as a defenseman). Nothing of substance or worth discussing.

Stay ignorant about more modern and accurate player evaluations, please.

Tony DeAngelo being a Top 4 player on an NHL roster is more valid and correct than anything you have had to say about him in the past.

Why would I bother watching every game, some multiple times when I have “data” available that tells me what to think?

His defense is spotty. His attitude issues, whatever exactly they are, are a major issue. I know what his problems were in Arizona and I suspect they were the same issues in Tampa and New York.

I applaud his success over the last 30 or so games last year. I hope it continues.

But if you think he is an established top four defenseman in the NHL, then your desired outcome for the Rangers is a second division team.

And you are not laughing harder than me right now.

 

[Thirty One]

I don’t get it. Last year it was pionk vs ada now they argument is ada vs fox. Here’s a crazy idea root for both guys

I don't understand. Root for them over who?

 

[Irishguy42]

Wake me up when evidence to the contrary is supplied. Until then, stop trying to argue by basically saying "no u"

 

[Leetch3]

I don't understand. Root for them over who?

i was tempted to say the other team but that didn't seem to make sense so I got nothing

 

[DutchShamrock]

Just to clarify things we don't like players who show no emotion like Chris Drury who say they won't let losses ruin their Christmas but we also don't like players who show too much emotion like DeAngelo.

I've been seeing it as, "I like my players to have a personality unless they do or say something I don't like."

 

[Ken Lund]

I don't understand. Root for them over who?

Trouba?