Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

[NYR Viper]

Just a note, it’s easier to find a defensive LD than it is to find a 2-way RD. The simple plan is to expose Hájek and Lindgren and see who gets taken.

 

[Ola]

Just a note, it’s easier to find a defensive LD than it is to find a 2-way RD. The simple plan is to expose Hájek and Lindgren and see who gets taken.

Yeah, and so much can happen. Maybe we are glad to give up a 1st to get them to pick someone we are OK with it. All teams survived the last ED too...

 

[Avery16]

Yeah, and so much can happen. Maybe we are glad to give up a 1st to get them to pick someone we are OK with it. All teams survived the last ED too...

Though some people on here never personally recovered from the loss of Jesus Lindberg (whom I liked)

 

[eco's bones]

Right. But the probablility of Fox ever becoming as good as, let alone better than, Tony is low - but for some reason this board seems to be taking it for granted.

I'm sorry--I don't think you're right there. Fox is a very well regarded prospect and the Rangers have probably given up 2 2nd's for him and a lot of people think that is a steal....for us. His numbers last year were in the same ballpark as Makar's and he played top pairing on two straight USA WJC teams. There's not many that are able to do that.

But.....it's still wait and see how ready he is and for that we're going to have to go through all the Traverse nonsense and then camp and then the pre-season by the end of which we'll have an idea of whether he's ready right now or needs a little seasoning but either way he should have a fairly long NHL career in front of him.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Totally support this. As some other posters mentioned i have an agenda against ada. I have only 1 agenda, its the NYR.

I'm just suggesting the jury's still out on ADA, but I'm hoping he will build on the better parts of last year. As a Ranger fan for well over 50 years, I want every prospect to do well.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Haha I think it was something like 7 weddings and no training that did Smith in. His own, plus a bunch of others he attended.

It's not the "weight" that's an issue, it was how we put it on.

Brendan Smith at 215-225 pounds with a low body fat percentage would be a good 3rd pair defensemen if his skating kept up. That's what Babcock wanted out of him in Detroit.

You know it's almost mid-August when we're using weddings attended per summer as an analytic.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The Hockey News is projecting NHL expansion protection lists.



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Expansion Plan: Projecting the New York Rangers' protection list for the 2021 expansion draft - TheHockeyNews

The issue with DeAngelo is the Rangers have Trouba and Fox. Is DeAngelo ahead of them on the depth chart? The Rangers also have Lundkvist. It won't be long before Lundkvist turns pro and is ready for the NHL.

We are talking about the 2021-22 season. By that time, Lundkvist could have a full season of pro experience on his resume if he signs next summer.

Build up DeAngelo's value and trade him.

Fox doesn't need to be protected. Rangers list will be Mika/Panarin/Trouba/Skjei/Georgiev/Buch with Kreider/TDA/Lemieux being maybes.

 

[Irishguy42]

Fox will be exempt for the expansion as he will have just completed his second pro year.

We just went through this with Skjei during the Vegas expansion (he had just finished two full seasons entering the Vegas draft).

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Fox doesn't need to be protected. Rangers list will be Mika/Panarin/Trouba/Skjei/Georgiev/Buch with Kreider/TDA/Lemieux being maybes.

Hopefully krieder will be gone and sign his albatross contract elsewhere

 

[bobbop]

Right. But the probablility of Fox ever becoming as good as, let alone better than, Tony is low - but for some reason this board seems to be taking it for granted.

I think you got those two names transposed.

 

[bobbop]

At least part of D’Angelo’s problems last year had to do with him running his mouth at officials. The Ranger management felt this hurt the team. He had the same issue in Arizona.

 

[Fitzy]

Just a note, it’s easier to find a defensive LD than it is to find a 2-way RD. The simple plan is to expose Hájek and Lindgren and see who gets taken.

Bit of a non sequitur but I think Hajek might end up being one of those players who does more offensively at the NHL level than in previous stages of his career. The McDonagh-Skjei effect.

 

[aufheben]

At least part of D’Angelo’s problems last year had to do with him running his mouth at officials. The Ranger management felt this hurt the team. He had the same issue in Arizona.

Unacceptable either way, but in his defense, the Rangers did get absolutely boned by the refs a lot last season.

Although to be honest, if that's the worst thing he's done through two years in the organization, I really don't...care that much? If he's running around licking players and doing other creepy Marchand stuff, slew-footing everyone and their mothers, etc., yeah; if he's still sitting next year for the same reason, yeah.

That said, as much as I like DeAngelo as a player (and I like him a lot,) a handful of you guy REALLY overrate him sometimes . If he becomes a Top-4 regular and/or 35-40 PTS player, acquiring him, IMO, was a slam-dunk/grand-slam/any-other-awesome-thing-that-oddly-only-happens-in-other-sports. This has partly already begun, at least in terms of role/responsibility:

Season	Age	GP	ATOI	PTS	=P/60	=oiGF	=oiGA	PS	OPS	DPS	E+/-	=PDO	=oZS%	=dZS%
2016-17	21	39	17:06	14	0.6	14	26	1.7	1.3	0.4	-9.2	97.3	56.5	43.5
2017-18	22	32	16:34	8	0.3	15	33	0.0	0.2	-0.2	0.9	93.8	66.5	33.5
2018-19	23	61	19:20	30	1.1	58	52	4.9	2.0	2.9	2.7	102.1	45.1	54.9

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Curiously, via HockeyReferences' Similarity Scores (Adjusted Point Shares-Thru 3 Years,) DeAngelo's highest match is Michael Sauer, with a score of 94.6. Hmm.
NHL Similarity Scores | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[egelband]

Unacceptable either way, but in his defense, the Rangers did get absolutely boned by the refs a lot last season.

Although to be honest, if that's the worst thing he's done through two years in the organization, I really don't...care that much? If he's running around licking players and doing other creepy Marchand stuff, slew-footing everyone and their mothers, etc., yeah, if he's still sitting next year for the same reason, yeah.

That said, as much as I like DeAngelo as a player (and I like him a lot,) a handful of you guy REALLY overrate him sometimes . If he becomes a Top-4 regular and/or 35-40 PTS player, acquiring him, IMO, was a slam-dunk/grand-slam/any-other-awesome-thing-that-oddly-only-happens-in-other-sports.

You hit on something here. With me, at least. I really thought there were many instances where refs were trying to make it especially hard on Quinn. Like, "ok college boy..." Kind of thing. Maybe I was projecting, but I felt there was a cynical welcome-to-the-big-leagues-boy kind of vibe from certain refs.

 

[RangerBoy]

Fox doesn't need to be protected. Rangers list will be Mika/Panarin/Trouba/Skjei/Georgiev/Buch with Kreider/TDA/Lemieux being maybes.

Where did I say Fox needs to be protected?

Looking at the Rangers depth chart, they have high hopes for Fox. By all accounts, he should become a competent top 4 D at the very least.

IMHO, the Rangers value Fox more than DeAngelo thus Fox will get very opportunity to have a major role on this team. It may not be at the start of this season but the Rangers view Fox as a potential top player for them.

The Rangers can build up DeAngelo's value and trade him at some point over the next few seasons. They have Trouba, Fox and Lundkvist on the right side. There isn't enough money to keep everyone which we have already seen with Shattenmirk.

 

[Ken Lund]

Yeah, and so much can happen. Maybe we are glad to give up a 1st to get them to pick someone we are OK with it. All teams survived the last ED too...

Most of the teams that were hurt by the last draft were the ones who tried to do some kind of deal to keep a certain player from being drafted. Between the guys we protect and the guys who are still exempt we should be losing our 12th-15th best player, tops.

 

[RangerBoy]

Just a note, it’s easier to find a defensive LD than it is to find a 2-way RD. The simple plan is to expose Hájek and Lindgren and see who gets taken.

It's a little more complicated than that. Every team must expose two forwards and one D signed for 21-22 who have played 40 games in 20-21 or a combined 70 games in 19-20 & 20-21. Teams also need to expose a signed goaltender for 21-22 or a goalie who has been given a qualifying offer for 21-22.

Hajek and Lindgren may not qualify for the 40 or 70 games criteria. We have no idea about them. They could be exposed and one of them is selected but the Rangers still need to expose the signed D fulfilling that criteria.

The Rangers don't have many protection issues but they need to have those 4 players exposed to be draft compliant. The Rangers will probably look at adding those players next summer. They added Grabner and Holden in the summer of 2016 for the 2017 expansion draft. That will eat into their 20-21 cap space. Grabner and Holden had a combined cap hit of $3.3M. Some people say the Rangers should give Kreider the $7M because they have some money coming off the books. They still need to replace those players and become expansion draft compliant. The Rangers will need to re-sign someone like Fast to make him eligible for the draft. Find one more forward. The D might be a little harder. The Rangers have Staal and Smith signed for the next two seasons. Their contracts expire after 20-21. They have all of these young D they want to play who are exempt. They need to expose a signed D for 21-22 with the 40/70.

 

[aufheben]

You hit on something here. With me, at least. I really thought there were many instances where refs were trying to make it especially hard on Quinn. Like, "ok college boy..." Kind of thing. Maybe I was projecting, but I felt there was a cynical welcome-to-the-big-leagues-boy kind of vibe from certain refs.

I more/less convinced myself of the very same thing by season's end.

 

[NYR Viper]

It's a little more complicated than that. Every team must expose two forwards and one D signed for 21-22 who have played 40 games in 20-21 or a combined 70 games in 19-20 & 20-21. Teams also need to expose a signed goaltender for 21-22 or a goalie who has been given a qualifying offer for 21-22.

Hajek and Lindgren may not qualify for the 40 or 70 games criteria. We have no idea about them. They could be exposed and one of them is selected but the Rangers still need to expose the signed D fulfilling that criteria.

The Rangers don't have many protection issues but they need to have those 4 players exposed to be draft compliant. The Rangers will probably look at adding those players next summer. They added Grabner and Holden in the summer of 2016 for the 2017 expansion draft. That will eat into their 20-21 cap space. Grabner and Holden had a combined cap hit of $3.3M. Some people say the Rangers should give Kreider the $7M because they have some money coming off the books. They still need to replace those players and become expansion draft compliant. The Rangers will need to re-sign someone like Fast to make him eligible for the draft. Find one more forward. The D might be a little harder. The Rangers have Staal and Smith signed for the next two seasons. Their contracts expire after 20-21. They have all of these young D they want to play who are exempt. They need to expose a signed D for 21-22 with the 40/70.

I would believe they are set on forwards. Nieves and Strome are RFA’s who should play the majority of games this season. Give them both 2 year deals and they’re set.

They’ll have 3 spots for defensemen and odds are one of Hajek or Lindgren will meet that number between this year and next year. Perhaps the team is smart enough to limit their games played but I doubt it. DeAngelo, Trouba and Skjei are the most likely protected players although lots can change in 2 years. There’s nothing that says Skjei wouldn’t be exposed at that time allowing for either Hájek or Lindgren to be protected.

Either way, they’ll probably sign a vet d-man next offseason to help compliance IF Hájek and Lindgren appear to not be capable of hitting the mark.

As far as losing one of those guys, unless they take massive steps forward, the team has the depth, specifically on the left side, to backfill those spots.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There isnt a bias against the rangers by the refs. The league has discipline for refs they feel are being unprofessional, no ref wants to be reprimanded and lose their chance at playoff games. There were a few blips last year, every team has them, it's not an issue at all. The only bias is from anyone that doesnt see the things that are called or let go on both sides of the ice.

 

[eco's bones]

A couple things to keep in mind with Fox--the two straight WJC's on the top pairing. Last year he leads his Harvard team in scoring by 17 points as a defenseman. Harvard has a very good team. Fox had 48 points in 33 games. Second leading scored for Harvard--Islanders prospect Reilly Walsh had 31. The highest forward had 29. Fox wasn't just their most important defenseman--he was by far their most important offensive player.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think you got those two names transposed.

Ridiculous. Fox has a lot to prove he is close to what ADA was even last season. I Would surmise Blue Blooded is correct here that the odds are he will not be as good as ADA.

 

[Fitzy]

IMHO, the Rangers value Fox more than DeAngelo thus Fox will get very opportunity to have a major role on this team. It may not be at the start of this season but the Rangers view Fox as a potential top player for them.

Maybe you're right on this point, but that could change almost immediately based on performance over the next two seasons. It's tough to predict who will develop quicker and rise higher. So to draw conclusions now about their strategy in a few years is a little speculative.

Fox could still bust out of the NHL, though unlikely. DeAngelo could score 50 points this season while Fox spends the full season in the AHL. You never know.

 

[Mikos87]

Bit of a non sequitur but I think Hajek might end up being one of those players who does more offensively at the NHL level than in previous stages of his career. The McDonagh-Skjei effect.

I agree, he's played on some bad teams, and takes it upon himself to fill the role that's needed.

When he played against his peers, on some teams with capable offense, his numbers jumped up. The thing that's most underrated about him is his ability to get the puck out of trouble.

I saw him live at a game, and he was easily the 2nd best skater on the team behind Skjei. Retrieved the puck, and skated it out of trouble. Played a very solid game that night.

 

[Mikos87]

A couple things to keep in mind with Fox--the two straight WJC's on the top pairing. Last year he leads his Harvard team in scoring by 17 points as a defenseman. Harvard has a very good team. Fox had 48 points in 33 games. Second leading scored for Harvard--Islanders prospect Reilly Walsh had 31. The highest forward had 29. Fox wasn't just their most important defenseman--he was by far their most important offensive player.

He outscored Makar as well when you takes missing games into consideration.

Different player than Makar, who I think will be Karlsson-lite.

Fox is in the mold of a Rafalski, Ellis type of player. Who were and are very effective players.